Harvesting Energy From the Sun Using Crystals

[Dave45]

Job 38:22
Hast thou entered into the treasures of the snow? or hast thou seen the treasures of the hail,

[boguslaw]

why ice ? why not ferrite ?

[Dave45]

why ice ? why not ferrite ?

ferrite could never conduct as fast as ice crystals, and the ice will conduct like a superconductor and
Job 38:22
Hast thou entered into the treasures of the snow? or hast thou seen the treasures of the hail,

because we believe.

[petar113507]

The A vector field moves into the coil, it feeds the magnetic field
When you pull energy from a permanent magnet this field replaces it, this is where the magnet is tapped into the either.

BAAAM.
Explaining why the Pizeo-magnetic amplifier is an amp, using the caduceus coil. I knew some field coupled -- that explains the input excess energy somehow. Through the rapid construction/deconstruction of a blotch wall the A vector couples from the magnet to coil.


That post, dave, cleared up some areas of interest for me in russell's writing. I can see how this is relating to russell's work (very deep connections) -- I am very excited to be a part of this. I may be yet young to venture into spiritual growth, but I think that russell's work, and some parts of the bible (from what I have read) also "couple", and have a ring of truth to them. I cannot explain how I "hear" the truth, but it's almost as though I am looking through the words they are saying, and trying to feel (using my entire nervous system, and not simply my language cortex in my bran) what they meant.

Both of You have my Attention, I am following and working right behind you; even if I don't have access to internet, or post.

Related to this thread -- using tesla's pancake coils, wound bifilar as the primaries.

I'm using a wooden pyramid frame as the rough form to wind one coil around.

Using a cone of wax paper, I froze water in a cone-form to also wrap coils around. I think the cone is better/looks cleaner. I think somehow the voltage we're looking to tap, doesn't like corners -- prefers smooth shapes.

Just had an idea for when I get home. Wrap cone around pyramid -- taping the wax paper together. Remove pyramid, fill wax paper form with water and freeze.

Might be a rough, cheap way to get the Phi cone mold to wrap the coil around

So far, have not made the cone according to a ratio.

Found this site that Calculates dimensions for fibonacci triangles. Used rough dimensions from the chart for triangles (bottom right of page).

Triangles and Phi, the Golden Ratio

I figured to use a triangle (or pyramaid) to insert inside wax paper to make the paper a cone, Hold the cone's form -- and dry/harden some other "form holder" hard enough to wrap the coils around (Form holder = Modeling foam -- clay -- paper mache -- melting crayons into heavy duty aluminum foil -- fiberglass resin -- ETC.)

Any other ideas on how to make the coils "ratio" correct?

How would we calculate the volume of water vs. Coil ratio?
I don't have the foggiest idea about this yet.

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Related to tesla coil power supplies
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Found a really old HV "luminous tube" (before it was called neon ) transformer in an antique shop. Those are goldmines for cheap, old electronics.

9000V @ 60 milliamps. Plug into wall -- Designed for 115V AC. Transformer has AC output -- can hook a diode bridge to rectify to DC HV.

Do we want to polarize the ice using AC, or DC? Does High voltage matter? (I am currently unsure if the High voltage would increase the breakdown voltage.)

Dave, how have you been polarizing the coils with AC? (low voltage?) I think there is some way to do it taking apart a cheap fan from the thrift store and a couple resistors.

Have you had the "spark" effect from the water that was frozen under AC? I can't put my finger on why, but I had the notion that AC current might produce two vortex structures superimposed on each other in the freezing water. I do not yet know if it is useful or not.

For this reason, Might jetijs's flyback transformer (or any other DC sawtooth waveform generator) output be useful for polarizing the ice? If we are creating a unidirectional impulse through the primary of the "water tesla coil" -- shouldn't we freeze the vortexes so that they are all cohesively oriented in the spin?

That's all I have time for now

==Romo

[Dave45]

I got this in an email amazing

The Cross in Our Bodies

This is a pretty neat story and an interesting thing that few of us know. It's brief, so please read.(FROM A DOCTOR)

A couple of days ago I was running (I use that term very loosely) on my treadmill, watching a DVD sermon by Louie Giglio... And I was BLOWN AWAY! I want to share what I learned....


He (Louie) was talking about how inconceivably BIG our God is... How He spoke the universe into being... How He breathes stars out of His mouth that are huge raging balls of fire.. Etc. Etc. Then He went on to speak of how this star-breathing, universe creating God ALSO knitted our human bodies together with amazing detail and wonder. At this point I am LOVING it (fascinating from a medical standpoint, you know.) . And I was remembering how I was constantly amazed during medical school as I learned more and more about God's handiwork. I remember so many times thinking..'How can ANYONE deny that a Creator did all of this???'


Louie went on to talk about how we can trust that the God who created all this, also has the power to hold it all together when things seem to be falling apart....how our loving Creator is also our sustainer.


And then I lost my breath. And it wasn't because I was running my treadmill, either!!!



It was because he started talking about laminin. I knew about laminin..Here is how Wikipedia <http://www.wikipedia.org/> describes them: 'Laminins are a family of proteins that are an integral part of the structural scaffolding of basement membranes in almost every animal tissue' You see.... Laminins are what hold us together... LITERALLY. They are cell adhesion molecules. They are what holds one cell of our bodies to the next cell. Without them, we would literally fall apart. And I knew all this already. But what I didn't know is what they LOOKED LIKE..




But now I do. And I have thought about it a thousand times since (already).....Here is what the structure of laminin looks like... AND THIS IS NOT a 'Christian portrayal' of it.... If you look up laminin in any scientific/medical piece of literature, this is what you will see...





Now tell me that our God is not the coolest!!! Amazing. The glue that holds us together.... ALL of us..... Is in the shape of the cross. Immediately Colossians 1:15-17 comes to mind.

'He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. For by him all things were created; things in heaven and on earth, visible And invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or Authorities; All things were created by him and for him. He is before all things, and in him All things HOLD TOGETHER.' Colossians 1:15-17
Call me crazy. I just think that is very, very, very cool. Thousands of years before the world knew anything about laminin, Paul penned those words. And now we see that from a very LITERAL standpoint, we are held together... One cell to another.... By the cross.

You would never in a quadrillion years convince me that is anything other than the mark of a Creator who knew EXACTLY what laminin 'glue' would look like long before Adam breathed his first breath!!
What I found when I googled laminin !!!!!!!!!!!





This would make a great coil configuration

[Dave45]

BAAAM.
Explaining why the Pizeo-magnetic amplifier is an amp, using the caduceus coil. I knew some field coupled -- that explains the input excess energy somehow.

That post, dave, cleared up some areas of interest for me in russell's writing. I can see how this is relating to russell's work (very deep connections) -- I am very excited to be a part of this. You have my attention, I am following and working right behind you; even if I don't have access to internet always.

Related to this thread -- using tesla's pancake coils, wound bifilar as the primaries.

I'm using the pyramid as the rough form to wind one coil around.

Using a cone of wax paper, I froze water in a cone-form to also wrap coils around. I think the cone is better/looks cleaner. I think somehow the voltage we're looking to tap, doesn't like corners -- prefers smooth shapes.

Wrapping cone around pyramid -- taping the wax paper together. Remove pyramid, fill wax paper form with water and freeze.

Might be a rough, cheap way to get the Phi cone mold to wrap the coil around?

So far, have not made the cone according to a ratio.

Found this site. Calculates dimensions for fibonacci triangles. Used rough dimensions from the chart (bottom right of page).

Triangles and Phi, the Golden Ratio

I figured to use a triangle (or pyramaid) to insert inside wax paper to make the paper a cone, Hold the cone's form -- and dry/harden some other "form holder" hard enough to wrap the coils around (Modeling foam -- clay -- paper mache -- melting crayons into heavy duty aluminum foil -- fiberglass resin -- ETC.)

Any other ideas on how to make the coils "ratio" correct?

How would we calculate the volume of water vs. Coil ratio?

=================
Related to tesla coil power supplies
=================
Found a really old HV "luminous tube" (before it was called neon ) transformer in an antique shop. Those are goldmines for cheap, old electronics.

9000V @ 60 milliamps. Plug into wall -- Designed for 115V AC. Transformer has AC output -- can hook a diode bridge to rectify to DC HV.

Do we want to polarize the ice using AC, or DC HV?
Dave, how have you been polarizing the coils with AC? (low voltage?) I think there is some way to do it taking apart a cheap fan from the thrift store and a couple resistors.

Might jetijs's flyback transformer (DC sawtooth waveform, HV) output be useful for polarizing the ice?

That's all I have time for now

==Romo

Hey Petar
Thanks for the calculation link too cool
Im using a Labvolt power supply I got off ebay cheap
Run one lead to your coil then come out of your coil to a light bulb, then run the other lead to the other leg of the light bulb (I using a 12 volt bulb from an auto)

If you submerge your coil be sure to run it this way, if you put both leads in the water it will short.

[Dave45]

My hightec cryo lab
Awfully expensive too

[petar113507]

In a solenoid the magnetic field runs in the ferrite core, and the A vector field surrounds the core
In a toroid the A vector field runs in the ferrite core and the magnetic field surrounds the core
This is a direct tap to the either I think its supposed to be spelled aither not sure,

would winding a solenoid inside/around a smaller PVC tube, and freezing it also make the A field run through the air core, like in/around the ferrite core??

Could you cut that PVC pipe with ice -- take that small "chunk" of frozen ice? and then insert "chunk" of the solenoid core, INSIDE the torrid? You'd just be controlling a smaller channel for the A field to flow through inside the torrid. I understand that the A field surrounds the core -- not through the core.

The way the "flash" picture came to me -- was from an "echo" of understanding, which I previously read from MM.
(When I write things on my heartbeat, I beleive that the "echo" of what was therein written appears in the outside world, or in "flashes" of pictures for me.)

Man on a mountain top = a small water "coil" inside a larger one.

I see the solenoid "nested" inside the torrid -- like an egg is "nested" inside a nest.

If you calculated the PVC tube pieces by size -- you could cut the solenoid ice chunk out, and slide it right inside the other tube.

I think I wouldn't polarize the solenoid while the other ice is freezing though. The only bump I have not yet thought through, is how the solenoid does not get induced current from the torrid while it is polarizing.

Maybe there would be a "gap" in part of the torrid where there would be no windings (like where you had the bare PVC exposed already) where the (solenoid) channel cold be inserted.

What if you were to bend a tesla coil into a circle? Where would the primary be? Where would the "tesla" (3rd) coil be?
I see the solenoids being the pickup (3rd) coils. What do you think?

If the solenoid's magnetic feilds running through the core do not allow for the same production of a conductive path (I.E. If "Around" the core is too narrow of a conduction path (too thin) there should be some other coil configuration that would allow us to grow a seperate conduction path, hooked to a 3rd pickup coil)

If you need a picture to spell out the process, I can draw one later -- but I think you'll understand

The seed does not produce a fruit in its unfolding before the branches are grown. I see that the branches are conductors, and before we can get the desired "fruit" -- those requisite conditions must be firmly established.


Growing "branches", or conducting channels seperately? That gives me a few more days of freezing pipes, easy.

Be back later,
==Romo

[petar113507]

If the solenoid's magnetic feilds running through the core do not allow for the same production of a conductive path (I.E. If "Around" the core is too narrow of a conduction path (too thin) there should be some other coil configuration that would allow us to grow a seperate conduction path, hooked to a 3rd pickup coil)

Just before I was going to power down my computer -- I had a nagging idea -- Rodin coil?

This is something I felt might be worth investigating -- where the A vector goes in a rodin coil?

This is an unverified impulse thought, but I thought It might be better if I shared it.

==Romo

[petar113507]

Let me show you what i see and you let me know what you think

In the picture you posted Dave, you see (in a simplified manner )

3 Elements: 2 vortex and a donut (Rodin coil most likely )

You'll find these three element all over Mother Nature's work...as if they can only exist as a "triptych "....you follow me so far

so i would venture to say if you create two solid version and join two of these three elements; for instance, one Rodin coil and a vortex coil ; the third element will come into existence ie: the third vortex....your 3 6 9

bonus: you control the third vortex thanks to the second coil:



John W. Keely


ps: no one ever thought of placing a dc pulsed Smith (Caduceus Coil ) in the center of a dc pulsed Rodin Coil....would make an amazing antenna

Dang. Looks like you beat me to the punch on that one.
Nonetheless, impulse confirmed.

Looks like I need to catch up on reading/downloading the PDF's of these all of your threads, so I can sponge up the diverse range of ideas.

In light of this post:

http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/8804-3d-electromagnetic-field-4.html#post154134

You were referring to a self-looping mechanism with the egg.

Oddly enough, I had a hunch that you were suggesting the same thing with the telsa coil and the water/nano-spray-glass. Dielectric breakdown in the silicon, conducted by the water -- to "receive".

What frequency are we trying to tune to with this "excellent antennae"?

The smith coil nested inside the rodin coil -- Is one coil short of being a completely nested tesla coil. The primary (smith or bifilar in cone shape) -- the secondary being the air vortexes -- the rodin coil being the top of the tesla coil.

Dave, your circular ice tube sounds pretty darned close to a circular tesla coil...

Any thoughts?
I've got some work to do when I get home....

==Romo

[Dave45]

The A vector field of a rodin coil is in the core of the coil, not the hole in the center but the core you wind on
The A vector field inside a rodin or any kind of toroid should structure the ice if it has an electrolyte in the water, if no electrolyte it will cut channels like it did in the ice cells I made.
The answer is there we just have to find it, we learn more everyday.

MM brought up the idea of putting a solenoid in the hole of a toroid which is a very good idea because the A vector field of the solenoid would be running the same as the toroid,and both magnetic fields would be running the same too, very interesting idea, will think on this awhile.
I have the toroid in now, will let you know if anything turns up.
Dave

[Dave45]

Im still going to make the cone bifi coil, Im very interested to see where the A vector field runs in it.
You can take any coil and put in ice to see where the A vector field is, but you need to use distilled water and put the coil in vertically because gravity effects the water molecules as their forming.
Dave

[petar113507]

The A vector field of a rodin coil is in the core of the coil, not the hole in the center but the core you wind on
The A vector field inside a rodin or any kind of toroid should structure the ice if it has an electrolyte in the water, if no electrolyte it will cut channels like it did in the ice cells I made.
The answer is there we just have to find it, we learn more everyday.

MM brought up the idea of putting a solenoid in the hole of a toroid which is a very good idea because the A vector field of the solenoid would be running the same as the toroid,and both magnetic fields would be running the same too, very interesting idea, will think on this awhile.
I have the toroid in now, will let you know if anything turns up.
Dave

We are on the same page there. When I write from being at school, I record the thoughts, and later go back to expand on those ideas. I am sorry I was not able to transcribe my thoughts to their fullest extent -- I will write from home. Pictures seem like it will help

==Romo

[MonsieurM]

Realizing that there is an A vector potential field and how it relates to the magnetic field has opened a lot of doors.
Its the big picture

you see the Rodin Coil...find the smith coil (Caduceus)....now you know

Let me show you what i see and you let me know what you think

In the picture you posted Dave, you see (in a simplified manner )

3 Elements: 2 vortex and a donut (Rodin coil most likely )

You'll find these three element all over Mother Nature's work...as if they can only exist as a "triptych "....you follow me so far

so i would venture to say if you create two solid version and join two of these three elements; for instance, one Rodin coil and a vortex coil ; the third element will come into existence ie: the third vortex....your 3 6 9

bonus: you control the third vortex thanks to the second coil:



John W. Keely


ps: no one ever thought of placing a dc pulsed Smith (Caduceus Coil ) in the center of a dc pulsed Rodin Coil: ....would make an amazing antenna

you end up with a third element: an emf Caduceus to complete the tryptich

As above so below, from within so without

the A vector field of the solenoid would be running the same as the toroid,and both magnetic fields would be running the same too, very interesting idea, will think on this awhile.
I have the toroid in now, will let you know if anything turns up.
Dave

if you prefer:

John W. Keely

...When these harmonics form unisons or direct harmonic relations the two vibrating aggregates and their chords of vibration are said to be sympathetic to each other. This unison of frequency dictates that what happens to one vibratorily happens to the other simultaneously.

[MonsieurM]

Why you need high pulsed energy: check out the vid posted by slider; pay attention to the" channels" being created

24" hard drives !
Our antique in my first job was a DEC PDP-11, solely used for the Accounts department...monster of a thing that was very cool. It didn't have HDD's of any type, it was the sci-fi film spinny reels of tape method and I had to wheel a trolly of these tapes to an outside storage each evening (Grandfather/Father/Son system)
Anyone ever wonder about the significance of all those banks of lights that randomly flashed in such films ? it used to bother me as a kid lol, no point at all to them except to look pretty on film and...there we had the reason.

Tripped over this last night on YouTube - look from around 3:07min
Apologies if posted before...such tree structures growing via an electrical stimulus are quite fascinating.

Grow Silver Metal Crystals by Electrochemistry - YouTube

Thanks Slider