Alfred Hubbard free energy device need your help

[SilverToGold]

I don't remember where I heard it but I was listening to Robert Beck talk about his investigation into the Hubbard coil.

He and some people were with Hubbard conducting an investigation into his device. They made close observations of him and his device.

The jist of it was that he believed that the Hubbard coil was a device that only worked when Hubbard was around it. When HUbbard was there, it worked. When he left the room, it stopped working.

Beck also examined the devices of Daniel Pomerlou. He is autistic man that was able to make motors run just using his mind.

You can learn more about him here.

Directoryaniel Pomerleau Free Energy Coils - PESWiki

Robert Beck was a very careful and astute gentleman and scientist.

He was there and did hands on examination of these devices and they will not work for just anyone. They are drawing power through direct power of the inventors mind.

So I do not believe these devices and schematics will do any of you any good if you can't already do what Hubbard or Pomerlou can do with their minds. They are not going to work for just anyone no matter how exact you follow the plans for these devices.

[Allcanadian]

@teslaproject

Just because Tesla said something or BELIEVED it to be so does NOT make it so. Focus on the words....BELIEF...this means he had yet to prove his own theory in his mind. Don't get caught up mixing up beliefs as Fact just because Tesla said it and he was correct about other things!

I would agree we should look at the facts and maybe we could start with the present day beliefs in physics. Today they believe gravity is an attractive force between masses but they have no credible explanation for what gravity "is" only what it does. Today they believe a magnetic field is magical virtual photons which magically pop into and out of existence from multiple alternate universes, again they have no idea what a magnetic field "is" only what it does. Today they say particles such as electrons have a negaitive charge but they still have absolutely no idea where this "charge" came from or why it exists. In fact we have no more idea about how much of anything really works in nature fundamentally, as a fact, than we did 100 years ago in Tesla's time.

Finally...as far as what Tesla BELIEVED about radium and it being a transformer....he was clearly wrong here wasnt he! If radioactive materials were truly transformers of cosmic energy as he suspected, then they should keep emitting energy forever because we are in the midst of a Universe under constant bombardment of various rays. Sadly...they do not keep putting out energy...they decay.

Was Tesla wrong -- clearly? I see very little that is clear in any sense of the word. What we are told is that mass and energy are conserved and we are also told that all matter is continually absorbing and radiating what we call energy. Now if matter is continually absorbing and radiating "energy" then where does this "energy" come from?
In any case I think your theory that a radioactive material absorbing energy from an external source should keep emitting energy forever is flawed because it assumes the radiation of energy/mass can have no effect on the mass over time.
Regards
AC

[wrtner]

Well it seems a simple thing to replicate.
Eight coils wound like the Cook device in series around central coil on core.

...not forgetting that the cores need to be iron (not steel) and that
there are LR circuits here which need to run at resonance.

[boguslaw]

Yes, of course - Leedscalnin PHM. Thank you!
Now we know that it works.

[goldsphere]

Well it seems a simple thing to replicate.
Eight coils wound like the Cook device in series around central coil on core.
Seems quite similar to Leedskalnin PMH too.
Hubbard device looks quite big going by the picture of it on the back of the boat, but a scaled device should work. I remember Cook saying you can charge it with a moving magnet.

[boguslaw]

More detective action , please correct me because I don't know USA map.

Hubbard
"I never heard of this Lester J. Hendershot, the Pittsburgh electrical engineer who is demonstrating the motor", Hubbard said, "but it must be remembered that I worked on the invention for two years in Pittsburgh -- in 1921 and 1922. It was a Dr. Greenslade who represented the people who were financing me at the time -- but, of course, if the people who bought out most of my interest in the invention were to bring it out as their own machinery, they would probably do it through a man with whom I had never worked. I was employed by the radium Chemical Company at the time I was working in Pitsburgh".

The same town.Now look at map :
Pittsburgh, Pensylwania, Stany Zjednoczone do Richland, Ohio, Stany Zjednoczone - Mapy Google


and read this :


"To Whom It May Concern:

Be it known that I, Daniel McFarland Cook, of Mansfield, in the county of Richland and State of Ohio, have invented an Electro-Magnetic Battery, of which the following is a specification:

My invention relates to the combination of two or more simple or compound helices and iron cores or magnets in such a manner as to produce a constant electric current without the aid of a galvanic battery."

Am I right ? Correct me if not.In such way many free energy patents could emerge after many decades again. Why is that important ? That prove just a few ideas behind many devices.And why is that even more important ... ?

[boguslaw]

McFarland Cook patent :

"The alternate changes of the iron cores or magnets may be used for producing electro-magnetic motion, or motion to a wheel of any suitable device."

Hubbard&Hendershot used this effect I think ...

[MonsieurM]

you could email the newspaper asking where to go for microfilm access to their archives.

[boguslaw]

Boguslaw,

I will be heading to seattle washington in early August for a church reunion. I will see if I can check it out for you. Where do you think mght be a good place to look? Maybe townhall?

,Shawn

Sorry,I have no idea. I live in Europe. However there should be public library of old newpapers,right ?

[shawnnweed]

i'll try

Boguslaw,

I will be heading to seattle washington in early August for a church reunion. I will see if I can check it out for you. Where do you think mght be a good place to look? Maybe townhall?

,Shawn

[goldsphere]

Seems somewhat similar to the Cook Electromagnetic Battery.
Cook Electro Magnetic Battery

[MonsieurM]

To try to advance your research boguslaw, I went ahead and copied this text:

While the device has been patented, the claims for it are so broad that Hubbard says he does not feel safe in making public his secret. In general, he says, it is made up of a group of eight electro-magnets, each with primary and secondary windings of copper wire, which are arranged around a large steel core. The core likewise has a single winding. A coil thus constructed, he says, is lifeless until given an initial impulse.

and googled it

I found this:

In July 1973 a former resident of Seattle then living in Houston, Texas, wrote to the Post Intelligencer to inquire whether it had published any additional data on Hubbard since the appearance of the articles in the 1920s. In answer to this query, Don Carter, a staff reporter, wrote a follow-up story, dated 16 July 1973 and headlined...
...When the Seattle Post-Intelligencer published the same story, Hubbard, suspecting that his own invention might have been purloined by Hendershot, complained to a staff reporter, R. B . Bermann, who three days later wrote an article headlined "Hubbard Believes Mystery Motor Based upon His Own Invention."

now you know



try the same you may find various interpretations but it may hint to the answer you are looking for....

[MonsieurM]

Whilst it is good to look at the work of early and fellow researchers, the danger here lies in GURU WORSHIP.

Just because Tesla said something or BELIEVED it to be so does NOT make it so. Focus on the words....BELIEF...this means he had yet to prove his own theory in his mind. Don't get caught up mixing up beliefs as Fact just because Tesla said it and he was correct about other things!

Don't get me wrong...I think Tesla was a smart man but he was not perfect which means he made mistakes and would have been wrong plenty of times. ALL researchers are at one time or another. Einstein was brilliant but not 100% in everything and even things that are taught in University today as FACT are not always so. It's just that there is no convincing argument to completely smash the old paradigm out of existence (unless you have forsight and a little faith).

If you ever expect to find the truth, just stick to the facts and don't go clinging to peoples words just because they have some guru status. Today's guru is tomorrows Piltdown man fiasco if you dont just focus on the data.

Finally...as far as what Tesla BELIEVED about radium and it being a transformer....he was clearly wrong here wasnt he! If radioactive materials were truly transformers of cosmic energy as he suspected, then they should keep emitting energy forever because we are in the midst of a Universe under constant bombardment of various rays. Sadly...they do not keep putting out energy...they decay.

That is all.

I would be the first one to agree with you, and trust me I'm far from having a GURU WORSHIP as you put it so well , but the point i was trying to get across is that to find an answer to hubbard's invention, sometimes you have to look at what his contemporaries wrote on the subject For even if they did not have the internet at the time , magazines such popular science etc... existed and may have influenced/inspired Hubbard's work, just like you guys get inspired by previous researchers....

as the saying goes: To understand a man, you've got to walk a mile in his shoes, whether they fit or not.



note: the use of the term "master" is used out of respect, as far as i know, he is the only one to truly have "mastered" electricity

[morpher44]

Hubbard

I started a thread on Hubbard a while back too.

http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/4472-hubbard-coil.html

In my opinion, radium or using radiation is NOT strictly necessary ...
and I would avoid messing around with it.
The women who used to paint the dials onto wrist watches
paid dearly for their art.

I had read that Hubbard had set up a "large" Hubbard coil
in a field and had 4 long wires going each of the 4 directions of the
compass. I believe the wires were isolated from ground and were
1200 feet long. Clearly that would be long wave receptions ...
200khz or less?
He had these feeding into a bottle filled with mercury to
create the make-break spark need to go down to his coil.

So I would guess that the two words are something like
"intermittently pulsing" or "radio signaling" or something to that
effect. There are millions of words that can end in "ing" ... but only
a few that relate to electronics and circuits.

Also, as for Hubbard use of PHI with a larger diameter core
and then smaller diameter cores around it.
I messed around with the math a bit here.
If you select 8 equal diameter RODs for your coils, the central
coil with have to be larger and have that PHI ratio.
If you select 6 equal diameter RODs, the central core will
have an EQUAL diameter to the 6.
So simply by selecting 8, you get that PHI relationship.
I'm thinking the significance here is simply one of an optimization.
You want a large inductance ... and you want it in a small space.
By arranging the coils in this way, there are phase relationships
between them that must be considered. If you do it right,
you could possibly keep the resonant wave such that it
oscillates up and down EACH cylinder using mutual induction
between each of the rods. It would be interesting to build and
mess around with.

Like any SOLENOID approach, however, I would imagine that
the ends of the cylinders are lossy -- so it may not be
the optimum geometry.

[teslaproject]

I know some of you already are aware of this but for those who are not:


interview with Dr. Tesla from

Popular Science - Nov 1928 - Page 16



Popular Science - Google Books


very interesting read...

Sometimes we have to go back to the Master himself to find the answer...

Whilst it is good to look at the work of early and fellow researchers, the danger here lies in GURU WORSHIP.

Just because Tesla said something or BELIEVED it to be so does NOT make it so. Focus on the words....BELIEF...this means he had yet to prove his own theory in his mind. Don't get caught up mixing up beliefs as Fact just because Tesla said it and he was correct about other things!

Don't get me wrong...I think Tesla was a smart man but he was not perfect which means he made mistakes and would have been wrong plenty of times. ALL researchers are at one time or another. Einstein was brilliant but not 100% in everything and even things that are taught in University today as FACT are not always so. It's just that there is no convincing argument to completely smash the old paradigm out of existence (unless you have forsight and a little faith).

If you ever expect to find the truth, just stick to the facts and don't go clinging to peoples words just because they have some guru status. Today's guru is tomorrows Piltdown man fiasco if you dont just focus on the data.

Finally...as far as what Tesla BELIEVED about radium and it being a transformer....he was clearly wrong here wasnt he! If radioactive materials were truly transformers of cosmic energy as he suspected, then they should keep emitting energy forever because we are in the midst of a Universe under constant bombardment of various rays. Sadly...they do not keep putting out energy...they decay.

That is all.