Muller generator replication by Romerouk

[penno64]

Hi Slider,

Thanks for all the detail.

Of most importance is the biasing magnet. If I understand correctly, for the
first coil used (the one that lit the neon while stationary), you used one or
more of the cdrom drive magnets. Mention of an aluminium washer - where
was that placed ?

For the big coil, you used hdd magnets snapped in half with pliers.

I hate to ask again but, would a picture be possible. It is so hard to truly
see anything from the videos.

Kindest Regards, Penno

[Slider2732]

Yep sure. Struggling for anything camera wise here though and had to solder a USB lead back on this crappy image one. I have another that was salvaged for a part or two and will see about fixing that. My other isn't seen by Cheese program in Lubuntu Linux.
I'm not opposed to being bought off for a couple of million by the Government before I discover something monumental, then buy lots of proper gear and post via proxy under a different username



What you might be able to see:
Bottom left is the original coil, with messed up winds to create capacitance and how Romero had his. It had the magnet superglued, due to that flying off or reseating problem under power.
Bottom right is the second coil, with a washer on the back to give better surface area ability for the location of the (2 in this case) bias magnet.
Above those we have the monitor loony coil, note the neat winding difference. It's now sitting on one of Lidmotor/sMartCreations solar pulse motor circuits...running from 1V and while doing the flashing LED pulse thing is also powerful enough like this to run a Joule Thief circuit off the coil connections !

[penno64]

Thanks Slider,

Was the bias magnet on the original coil/core, glued directly to the ferrite?

Penno

[Slider2732]

Good question. No it wasn't...the core ferrite sits about 2mm forward of the magnet and ends just at the end of the coil. It's thought that the small distance away from ever touching the core assists flux within the core. Unproven though, but would further explain Romero's washers.

Here's a quick vid taken just now. I was experimenting with the FanGen and noted something highly unusual - AC carries on with a large skin effect past a FWBR.
Tesla tower experiments will see the wireless field extend right back through any circuit and up to the wall if a wall adapter is used. But, how about AC when it should be rectified ?
The demo shows that effect and points to more AC being available than 1 FWBR extracts...it's not a clean job that they do.
Large caps (such as the 40000uF in the Muller) dampen the HV and the effect isn't seen, but without caps, it seems clear that all is not becoming DC.
(In the vid I say that you were wondering about the solar circuit, but I intended to say you were wondering about the coils and the picture showed the solar circuit).

YouTube - ‪HV carries on through a FWBR !‬‏

[Bruce_TPU]

Good question. No it wasn't...the core ferrite sits about 2mm forward of the magnet and ends just at the end of the coil. It's thought that the small distance away from ever touching the core assists flux within the core. Unproven though, but would further explain Romero's washers.

Here's a quick vid taken just now. I was experimenting with the FanGen and noted something highly unusual - AC carries on with a large skin effect past a FWBR.
Tesla tower experiments will see the wireless field extend right back through any circuit and up to the wall if a wall adapter is used. But, how about AC when it should be rectified ?
The demo shows that effect and points to more AC being available than 1 FWBR extracts...it's not a clean job that they do.
Large caps (such as the 40000uF in the Muller) dampen the HV and the effect isn't seen, but without caps, it seems clear that all is not becoming DC.
(In the vid I say that you were wondering about the solar circuit, but I intended to say you were wondering about the coils and the picture showed the solar circuit).

YouTube - ‪HV carries on through a FWBR !‬‏

Hi Slider,

As a friend of mine shared with me some time ago, you need a "PI Circuit" on the end. This should pick up and change the rest of the HF AC into DC.

Cheers,

Bruce

[Slider2732]

Thanks, hopefully this applies to the Muller too, in that more power can be extracted....I don't know enough.

It could be noted that RFI is very present too. The LED's of the solar circuit shown above and in the video respond when the FanGen is running. The lights speed up and do all sorts of weird things when close to a 27000uF 15V large capacitor that I now have in the output circuit !
The capacitor is many inches away from the magnets of the rotor, which was initially thought to be causing the effects.

[Steve220]

Information

Here's a quick vid taken just now. I was experimenting with the FanGen and noted something highly unusual - AC carries on with a large skin effect past a FWBR..

Hi Slider,
May be this is why R UK used extra diodes across his FWBR.
He said it worked better this way.
Normally this is not done, but R UK did.
You may have found something important.
May be there are harmonics within the coil that generate a high frequency current along with the normal current.

Great work.

I made a coil with four strands @ 200 ft each coil 26 Ga shorted back through the coil, using iron wire for a core, but I don't have all the right parts yet, so no progress here.

I went to a recycle company to find some old CRT monitors, but they just take them in, break them up and then sell the copper wire to a refiner for melt down recycle.
So I am still looking for old monitors. Seems scrap metal prices are high now so not as many laying around as there used to be.

Steve

[synchro]

Bruce's OU Claims.

Bruce,

I have hundreds of builds. Check out my youtube site Zebok3. You claim you can gain power by attaching rewired Litz to a bridge rectifier, some wires in series and others in paralell. You need a flux transformer to match the voltages.

You get what's called a virtual short when you hook wires up your way, not overunity. How come you haven't sent your overunity coil to Stephan yet? All you did was drop the project and take a holiday to Coral Castle.

You're nothing but a big phony, trying to pass yourself off as a super futuristic inventer with secret knowledge.

PUT UP OR SHUT UP BRUCE!

[Bruce_TPU]

Bruce,

I have hundreds of builds. Check out my youtube site Zebok3. You claim you can gain power by attaching rewired Litz to a bridge rectifier, some wires in series and others in paralell. You need a flux transformer to match the voltages.

You get what's called a virtual short when you hook wires up your way, not overunity. How come you haven't sent your overunity coil to Stephan yet? All you did was drop the project and take a holiday to Coral Castle.

You're nothing but a big phony, trying to pass yourself off as a super futuristic inventer with secret knowledge.

PUT UP OR SHUT UP BRUCE!

LOL Whatever makes you feel good. And actually, my holiday was to the Bahamas, Coral Castle was just a side trip. Nothing dropped. Family first!

[Neight]

Good question. No it wasn't...the core ferrite sits about 2mm forward of the magnet and ends just at the end of the coil. It's thought that the small distance away from ever touching the core assists flux within the core. Unproven though, but would further explain Romero's washers.

Here's a quick vid taken just now. I was experimenting with the FanGen and noted something highly unusual - AC carries on with a large skin effect past a FWBR.
Tesla tower experiments will see the wireless field extend right back through any circuit and up to the wall if a wall adapter is used. But, how about AC when it should be rectified ?
The demo shows that effect and points to more AC being available than 1 FWBR extracts...it's not a clean job that they do.
Large caps (such as the 40000uF in the Muller) dampen the HV and the effect isn't seen, but without caps, it seems clear that all is not becoming DC.
(In the vid I say that you were wondering about the solar circuit, but I intended to say you were wondering about the coils and the picture showed the solar circuit).

YouTube - ‪HV carries on through a FWBR !‬‏

Hey Slider!
I have noticed the same thing in my very brief experience shorting coils...
after the FWBR, I am still getting decent AC current and some AC voltage through. that is what was lighting up the neon (barely lighting, but hey, at least I am getting something ) in my last video.
I first noticed the AC after the rectifier when used an LED in my circuit backwards to the current from the FWBR. the LEDs after the backwards one were still lighting up, and my voltage climbed higher on the meter. it went from 7V up over 30Vdc, and the AC current on my DMM was still showing around 60mA.
very interesting, and Steve is probably correct in saying that is why R UK used extra diodes around his rectifier, to catch more of the AC and put it to work!
very interesting things going on right now, and thanks for sharing!

I took apart a TV and got the deflection coil off the back, no litz wire in it, but still, loads of free wire to make new coils with! thanks for the tip on that, you can't beat free components from broken electronics!!

N8

@ bruce and syncro - you guys really need to get over yourselves and either keep working, or take it somewhere else. this bickering is distracting and annoying and not needed in this discussion. if you have something to contribute (and bruce, I do realize several of your posts have contributed to this conversation, so don't take this the wrong way) then by all means, please share, otherwise we don't need the arguing
just my ¢2

[Bruce_TPU]

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@ bruce and syncro - you guys really need to get over yourselves and either keep working, or take it somewhere else. this bickering is distracting and annoying and not needed in this discussion. if you have something to contribute (and bruce, I do realize several of your posts have contributed to this conversation, so don't take this the wrong way) then by all means, please share, otherwise we don't need the arguing
just my ¢2

I agree totally! I will "ignore" any further badgering.

[Bruce_TPU]

A nice little write up posted by Nul Points at OU. Like I have said, there are many interesting things to be said about playing with strands...

http://home.comcast.net/~onichelson/VOLTGN.pdf

I have completed winding a 4" by 3/4" diameter coil, using Romero's 7 strands and I wound the coil directly onto the ferrite. This increases your wattage gain considerably.

Over the next several days, I will begin to test it. It is 15.3 ohms, and 116 mH.

Cheers,

Bruce

[Slider2732]

Unless of course a badger can run around on a Muller rotor forever and give us OU in a lot simpler way

Been sidetracked over here with HV and generating coils, It's related, but not, at the same time (more along the lines of a solid state Muller).
At the moment am building a solid state HV generator...though it's not quite solid state, the magnet vibrates from wall adapter 50/60Hz. If the Hall sensor isn't in the equation it doesn't work, if a magnet is positioned just right on the front of a coil it does work, via that vibrating mains Hz leaking through (even with a FWBR and cap to smooth the wall adapter being always in place).
A 104 little ceramic cap is working superbly for a smooth AC voltage such that both legs on a neon light from 6V input.
Presumably it's not a new thing though and is it just a reversal of a standard transformer ?...what is it ?

[penno64]

Hi Slider,

You're right into it eh!

Circuit please. Hand drawn and take a pic is ok.

Penno

p.s. I have spent a couple of spare hours I had today, trying to recreate your
lighting the neon. No luck so far. But you say you place the neon directly
across the coil. Is this correct ?

p.p.s I've noticed Romerouk has been lurking. Careful now.

[blackchisel97]

I'm still trying to replicate the original setup. I read (for the first time) through 250+ pages on OU and took notes of every post by the Romero. I found strange that multistrand purpose (being used in bifilar fashion) didn't surface for so long. Anyway, I wound couple more coils to replace my existing one's. I have 1 set of gen single strand #26, full bobbins and 1 set of multistrand in bifilar, full bobbins as well.
It was late when I took measurements but they should be correct.
I have FWBR doubled with 1N4001, 22,000uF across and I used 12V/5W load. Just a basic setup, no shorting, no other caps connected with coil. Input 12V DC .
Measurements taken from one coil set:

No load
AC scoped at FWBR 25.8V
Input draw 0.19A
rpm 3350

With load
AC scoped at FWBR 11.8V
Input draw 0.29A
rpm 2560
load current 0.19A
Coil set L = 2mH, 1.7 Ohm

Multistrand in bifilar configuration didn't give better performance, actually, AC was less then single strand.
I can see the effect of core magnet on the output and rpm. I'm going to put two more coils (1 set) and try to tune. After that I'll connect both FWBR's together and measure again. Is there something I don't understand and should?

Thanks
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