Joule Ringer!

[Slider2732]

Variation:

This one is same setup, same current draw.
Found that the battery is actually flat, so that's why the current went down on the other setup

Transformer from early 80's, broken Bearcat 12 scanner

[Slider2732]

@Seth
it was your video that got me back into all this, after a couple of misfires with wrong transformers.

I'm delighted to say that i'm in the club ! (wait, that sounds wrong)

First runner, of the 3-2 transformer type, but not using a RadioShack one.
15W CFL
3.7V li-ion salvaged battery
150mA, drops over time to I don't know what yet, by 10mA in 10 secs

C5198 ( http://www.toshiba.com/taec/componen...nc/66/7886.pdf )
474K capacitor
120K pot just to dial in on the Base, sits midway and fires
RN2Z diode ( http://www.yu-ke.com/uFile/1513/2009102616926885.pdf )
Transformer - WH35-14B40

All salvaged from general cr@p and slung together generally cr@p, but works

[seth]

Very nice

does your AA have a boost there in hat little pack?
interesting how you have the coil hooked up...
will have to give it a try. thanks for sharing the schematic.

Yeah - its a typical little 1aa emergency mobile phone charger - they are very cheap. Boosts the 1.5V to 5V.

Getting it tuned takes some time - I had to try a lot of different resistor/cap combiantions to get it acting like that with the CFL. But Im sure i can get it working better, as I was able to several months ago using an exciter and AV plug to charge the big cap.

[minoly]

Hi guys!

I have something similar to a joule ringer here - I can keep a CFL lit for a few mins after a quick blast with 1AA in an emergency charger. Heres a video with the circuit diagram. I'm using a flyback for my coils and a darlington pair arrangement. (TIP 31C).

Without the cap/neon parallel addition, it'll light 72W CFLs (but with no ringing effect). Admittedly I get the same results with MJE13007 as well as the darlington pair (and the IRF series)

Flyback ringer - joule ringer - YouTube

Hope its interesting for you guys!

Very nice

does your AA have a boost there in hat little pack?
interesting how you have the coil hooked up...
will have to give it a try. thanks for sharing the schematic.

[quantumuppercut]

I just have a fresh idea this morning how to dump cap through air gap without resonance. Going to try building voltage multiplier and connect it to the joule thief AC inverter until it jumps gap. If OU lies in capacitor disruptive discharge, then this method could replace resonance.

[seth]

Hi guys!

I have something similar to a joule ringer here - I can keep a CFL lit for a few mins after a quick blast with 1AA in an emergency charger. Heres a video with the circuit diagram. I'm using a flyback for my coils and a darlington pair arrangement. (TIP 31C).

Without the cap/neon parallel addition, it'll light 72W CFLs (but with no ringing effect). Admittedly I get the same results with MJE13007 as well as the darlington pair (and the IRF series)

Flyback ringer - joule ringer - YouTube

Hope its interesting for you guys!

[quantumuppercut]

http://www.energeticforum.com/148127-post1979.html

I played around with this setup today. The output could light LEDs up to 500V. This already made radio shack transformer is a blast. I was trying to make an inverter that deliver high current, but it seems these design only carry good voltage. However I've find a trick that can convert those high voltage to current efficiently. Yes, cap dump. .82uF 2100VAC charged to 500V and dump to light up a normal bulb. Continuous short won't light it up. It's rather an interesting thing that you can create heat or not on the same output.

[xee2]

@ kcarring

Thanks for sharing your results.

[kcarring]

XEE2 Joule Thief / Ringer Replication Video

Many thanks to XEE2 and all you folks, this is a very useful alternative energy circuit indeed. Here is a vid of me playing with it, in the dark, and a comparison to the light produced from it, and an incandescent night light.

[kcarring]

I've been trying to get Xee2's circuit running with a 1a 120-12.6 VCT, and both MJL21194 and TIP3055's... but so far, all I get is a sharp blast off the bulb, and jump to about 1a draw.. then nothing. Doesn't latch and start oscillating. So I tried changing out the base resistor to 2k, 1M, 300 ohms... tried removing the cap. I have a 3 watt Rheostat inline with the input side, too... when I run it with no rheostat, it peaks HUGE... right up to 5A (So I don't do that a bunch!) .. the flash is way brighter than it ever gets, ran normally. So not too much luck yet. Also tried switching the primary wires around (leaving the center tap of course).

hmm

maybe my components just aren't close enough.
you'd think it'd run tho.. it i could just get it to oscillate.
maybe i better hook up a pot to the base.

** update, got it running. Thanks Xee2! On a side note: My Mastercraft $50 300 watt inverter made the bulb buzz and flicker... whereas this circuit is clean running! Works great!


WOW...
I was horribly unimpressed (to be honest) with its output/input at 12.2 v... then ...
I threw it on a 3.7v lithium ion cell, dialed it in on the base a bit , and BANG, started to hum a bit... input dropped to about 180-210 mA
great light...

I think I know why they call it the joule "ringer" now.Ultra efficient or not, I love how it is AC... that has real benefits! My Li-Ion was running (still at 4.05v) after 20 minutes of playing with it. Running at about 240 mA, the room (otherwise pitch dark) was adequately lit (that's less than a watt!). One more as a desk lamp, and I'd be reading a book. Throw 2 tiny solar panels producing 6V/200mA (so 400 theoretical) at each battery in the day... and you got some free light all evening! Just what I'm after.

[Rl2003]

Different Inductors

Here is a short video of the Joule ringer circuit
with the center tap transformer and an inductor
in line with the base transistor.
The first small toroid inductor is at .1 ohms.
The large inductor with 10,000 feet of wire is at 134.4 ohms.
And the solonoid inductor is at 268.1 ohms.
I was supprized to see the little solonoid was a higher resistance
than that of the large inductor. Maybe it's the iron core inside.

Joule ringer - YouTube

Mark

[xee2]

This works slightly better than the toroid inductor. Going higher than 22 milli-Heneries did not seem to be helpful. I do not know who manufactured it (bought at surplus store). Resistance is 27 ohms.

[xee2]

@ kcarring

To see what Joule-ringer is go to start of thread (uses E-core). The circuits I have been posting as Joule thiefs have been posted with that name for many years and I think it is confusing to add another name for them (they are technically blocking oscillators).

[kcarring]

Spot on

play with the cap value and use different pot value depending on transformer winds, gauge, and load.
rod core, air core, ferrite core, E-core, magnet core
much to learn with this one. such simplicity helps to narrow down cause and effect in a way that has made it easier to learn - even for me

Thanks Minoly & Xee2.

I am always very curious about everything... cause in the end, I really want to learn a lot... it's a huge goal, way beyond free energy. I am an absolute huge skeptic when it comes to free energy -but- I am not a naysayer!!! Naysaying is just rude, that's like going to Greece to talk down the Greek.

I wonder...

Personally, I can't see the difference, between a joule ringer, and a joule thief... is it the addition of the secondary?

As well... I am trying to compare the usage of a toroid joule thief / ringer - vs. - the usage of a standard transformer (as in Xee2) -- and I see, mainly, that one has a center-tap in a single wind (as the primary) -- and the other (JT JR) has bifilar, and that's interesting...

The two circuits are very close to one another...

Has anybody ever tried doing an E-Core, with a bifilar primary? Say maybe something with high AL, ferroxcube?

I have a large very rigid foam core, perhaps 14" in outer diameter, and the tube diameter 1.75" that I could try air core... but ... what is our goal here, large amounts of core saturation, or not? Are we trying to run with high impedance, or no?

I'd love to hear some theories, I guess... of what the matglas is doing in Lasersaber's unit. It's obviously not that high of a frequency, but what keys to the system are crucial?

Thanks

[minoly]

Hey Xee2,

I found the closest thing i could, nearby, a Hammond 166J12.

It says, on it:

GRN-GRN/YEL-GRN: 12.6VCT 1A
BLK-BLK 115V 60 HZ

I don't have an MJE13007, but I do have a MJL21194 which is rated
VCEO 250V
VCBO 400V
[email protected] 400V

Do you think I'm close enough to take a shot at it?
Thanks
Kyle

Also... The original Joule Ringer project by lasersaber....
His transformer...

I don't understand his drawing... is it a bifilar primary? Like a joule thief?
I'm pretty new to electrical diagrams... so please go easy on me here...
I'm trying to understand this stuff better...

Is this how it'd be drawn? I love the guys work, but I find his pictures/images tough to decipher
what is going on, and direction of winds?... Thanks

Spot on

play with the cap value and use different pot value depending on transformer winds, gauge, and load.
rod core, air core, ferrite core, E-core, magnet core
much to learn with this one. such simplicity helps to narrow down cause and effect in a way that has made it easier to learn - even for me