Joule Ringer!

[xee2]

Here is an easy to duplicate circuit without bifilar coils that will light a fluorescent tube for 4 min and 20 sec from 20,000 uF capacitor charged to 12 volts. It should light tube for about 9 minutes with a 40,000 uF capacitor. Tube is not full bright, but is bright enough that it can be seen without turning off all the lights. This is just a basic Joule thief circuit with the resistor and capacitor values selected for run time. I am still not sure how LaserSaber is getting the bifilar coils to work so I am looking forward to his next video. Current drain of this circuit is 0.53 mA when 20,000 uF capacitor is at 6 volts.



EDIT: I have tried using 2N2219 and MPSA06 and neither of them worked in this circuit. It may be that it will only work with the components specified.
Also, oscilation may not start if input voltage is increased slowly, charge capacitor before connecting to circuit.

[conradelektro]

SlayerExciter circuit with bifilar coil at the transistor basis

Starting with a SlayerExciter circuit with tower-coil, pancake-coil and a MPSA06 transistor, I tried to replicate LserSaber's idea with the bifilar coil on the basis of the transistor.

At 4 Volt and with the bifilar coil L3 on the basis of the transistor the circuit uses about 5 times less power than the basic SlayerExciter (about 10 mA versus about 50 mA), but the little 220V-FL-tube is also a bit dimmer.

The bifilar coil L3 has too little windings (only 20 turns). I will wind a better one (similar to LaserSaber's coils) for further tests. And it is a bit of problem how to terminate the bifilar coil L3. I finally used a 1 M resistor and a 33 pF capacitor. Touching the two ends works best.

The circuit runs about 5 seconds on the 20.000 uF cap.

This experiment shows, that one can reproduce the effect with air coils too (instead of using a little transformer). It needs further work, specially measurements with a scope, to find out what is happening.

What I have seen so far, the bifilar coil on the basis of the transistor reduces the oscillation frequency of the circuit dramatically.

Conrad

[ibpointless2]

Great work Lasersaber!

The magic we’re seeing is due to the magic of capacitors. I won’t bore you with complex ideas and theory’s but instead just show you a simple experiment.

Take two capacitors and two alligator clips. One capacitor must be bigger in size and in farads, don’t use super caps. I used 220uF 50V cap for my big one and a 1uF 400v cap for my little one. What you need is for the bigger capacitor to have a higher standing voltage then the little one, to get a good standing voltage let the capacitors sit for at least 12 hours not hooked up to anything. Record the standing voltage of both capacitors. Now connect them up with positive of the big one connecting to the positive of the little one and the same for the negative, I will include a diagram of what I mean. Now let it sit for some hours and record the voltage of both every so often.

What you’ll see is that the big capacitor will charge the little capacitor and as the big capacitor goes down the little capacitor will go up until both are equaled out. Then something crazy will happen, the voltage will start to go back up. The voltage will go above the starting voltage of the big capacitor, thus lies the magic of the capacitor.

My big capacitor started out at 238.6mV and my little capacitor started out at 24mV. Both now read 438mV, thats a 200mV increase. I don’t leave the meter connected and the capacitors have reseted for 12 hours not connected to anything so as to where the extra voltage comes from I don’t know and there lies the magic.

The magic of the capacitor.jpg

[voire]

Hey guys

@ Fusionchip
Hi, do you by any chance have a schematic for the pulser you said groundloop built for you? It sounds pretty efficient! Thanks!

[ewizard]

Here is an easy to duplicate circuit without bifilar coils that will light a fluorescent tube for 4 min and 20 sec from 20,000 uF capacitor charged to 12 volts. It should light tube for about 9 minutes with a 40,000 uF capacitor. Tube is not full bright, but is bright enough that it can be seen without turning off the lights. This is just a basic Joule thief circuit with the resistor and capacitor values selected for run time. I am still not sure how LaserSaber is getting the bifilar coils to work so I am looking forward to his next video. Current drain of this circuit is 0.53 mA when 20,000 uF capacitor is at 6 volts.



EDIT: I have tried using 2N2219 and MPSA06 and neither of them worked in this circuit. It may be that it will only work with the components specified.
Also, oscilation may not start if input voltage is increased slowly, charge capacitor before connecting to circuit.

Thanks Xee2, lots of possibilites to try with this one.

[ewizard]

Great work Lasersaber!

The magic we’re seeing is due to the magic of capacitors. I won’t bore you with complex ideas and theory’s but instead just show you a simple experiment.

Take two capacitors and two alligator clips. One capacitor must be bigger in size and in farads, don’t use super caps. I used 220uF 50V cap for my big one and a 1uF 400v cap for my little one. What you need is for the bigger capacitor to have a higher standing voltage then the little one, to get a good standing voltage let the capacitors sit for at least 12 hours not hooked up to anything. Record the standing voltage of both capacitors. Now connect them up with positive of the big one connecting to the positive of the little one and the same for the negative, I will include a diagram of what I mean. Now let it sit for some hours and record the voltage of both every so often.

What you’ll see is that the big capacitor will charge the little capacitor and as the big capacitor goes down the little capacitor will go up until both are equaled out. Then something crazy will happen, the voltage will start to go back up. The voltage will go above the starting voltage of the big capacitor, thus lies the magic of the capacitor.

My big capacitor started out at 238.6mV and my little capacitor started out at 24mV. Both now read 438mV, thats a 200mV increase. I don’t leave the meter connected and the capacitors have reseted for 12 hours not connected to anything so as to where the extra voltage comes from I don’t know and there lies the magic.

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That does seem interesting. Have you tried this with a higher starting voltage of say... around 10 volts in one and maybe 8 volts in another. I'd be really impressed if it went over 10 volts in either one. I agree there is magic in the capacitors but I think there is more to lasersaber's circuit and I think maybe some magic in those coils too. And I'll bet resonance is involved in all of them.
You're the Cap magician

[Lidmotor]

Small iron/copper bifilar coil makes a tiny "Exciter" tower

@Lasersaber & All
I finally got around to winding that small floral wire and copper wire bifilar coil for the circuit. It worked GREAT!!! I went back to the germaniun diodes and I should have a true replication as soon as I get the 10,000 uf caps. This things works like an "Exciter" now and is great fun. I don't think that my run time will ever be very long but this was an enjoyable project and worth doing.

YouTube - Joule Ringer with small bifilar coil and Exciter effects.ASF

Cheers,

Lidmotor

[xee2]

@ Lidmotor

Very impressive video. How long was the wire you used to make your bifilar coil?

[mikrovolt]

more parts and data sheets for engineers

It looks like the fuji transistor are 2SD1960
While the expensive cameras (Canon as one example ) cannot be repairing transistors, use SCR for long term
photo flash reliability typically 4A, 4.5V trigger voltage, but there are many SCRs used even a 1.23V trigger.
getting back to more fuji circuit info:
Xenon Flasher
looking at some high effficiency zetex datasheets and wave forms .
The trapazoids (triangulars) are awesome. as we move toward the ring the waveform starts to change.
reminds me when synths produce trangle wave for flute sounds and not annoying chirp chirp.
our ears naturally take in 1 3 5 7 9 harmonics but our electronics usually use one and throw away the rest.
Download | Datasheet Archive

http://www.diodes.com/zetex/_pdfs/3.0/pdf/ZXSC440.pdf

86 % efficient test results for battery florescent driver is very good. maybe it will get better?
Compare a known to an unknown. classifying bifilar as less efficient in one scenario is not joule ringer circuit,
Thats why I put all this circuit on here so you don't go side ways on replication. again working with the knowns.

http://www.datasheetarchive.com/pdf/getfile.php?dir=Datasheet-054&file=DSA0017788.pdf&scan=n

Moving in a progressive way.
Re: the capacitor bank switch out. Having one capacitor of lesser farad would deplete before the others this would be useful in telling the circuit when to switch in freshly charged caps. maybe better to keep the momentary switch until everybody gets the point. because only a few people right now are aware of joule ringer function.

[fusionchip]

@ Fusionchip
Hi, do you by any chance have a schematic for the pulser you said groundloop built for you? It sounds pretty efficient! Thanks!

I have ran out of upload space here so here is the link to it .

http://www.overunity.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=8334.0;attach=39702

I still have faith in it . He taught me how to program it (PIC) IT has many functions . I will try to find the bag of boards (blanks ) . It is an awsome piece of work . We could never get it tuned just right .It may have been Rf interference .

@ Lidmotor very Nice replication .I am glad you got her going .
@xee2 Also a nice circuit you have and great run time .



Albert

[LaserSaber]

@Lidmotor

Great job! I have seen those same exciter effects on all my units.

Now that you have made a working bifilar coil I am sure you can see why I did not really feel the need to try and give exact specs for making one. I had a lot of bifilar coils just sitting around my shop from NS coil projects. Because of this I had a lot of them on hand to test with and they all worked pretty well. I think I first noticed this "Joule Ringer" effect a long time ago while trying to power an exciter with a dry NS coil. Because the NS coil was made with cotton covered wire the mostly dry cotton must have acted like the leaking diodes because I just hooked up to the two outer wires and left the two inner wires free. Anyone who has worked with NS coils very much knows that they also act like a capacitor. In the end I had that exciter running on almost nothing it ran the tube lit for a couple days on a 650F Bcap while dropping in voltage very little. At the time I did not know what was really happening. So later when I decided to try and get a Fuji circuit running on capacitors alone it was pretty natural to try throwing a NS coil in the mix. Since I had a lot of coils sitting around including non galvanic ones, like the floral wire coil you just made, it did not take very long to notice this effect all over again. It's kind of funny how one thing leads to another.

@everybody
I started using a tip31 and an avromenko plug feeding back to the Cap from the lights. With this setup I can run it on well over 100V input with no problems. The tip31 stays stone cold. I will show it in my next video.

[Jbignes5]

Nice...

I tried my hand at winding a small coil around an old solder reel. I got only 1.5 times or layers. Not a lot but it gave me a new respect for coil winders. I am also a perfectionist and had to unwrap and rewrap a few bad areas. Did I mention that I now have a shaking problem. It has gotten better since I have been taking massive "b" supplements but none the less I still shake terribly especially when I try to concentrate.

But anyways... Seeing that you are starting to understand what is going on here have you made the aluminum connection yet?

I think that Tesla was so turned on by aluminum because it acted just like iron does to a magnetic field but it's field is the electric one. Why would the magnetic field be the only one to have a conduit or magnifier as in the case of iron. I think aluminum is that metal for the electric field.

It would be very interesting if we try aluminum cores in the bifilars to see if it makes them stronger just like iron does as a core. Aluminum is the main material in these type of caps and they show very strange properties like the storage of energy with not much loss. I still believe that aluminum is a converter from heavy current(magnetic) to a current with nothing to loose in the way of energy.

This might explain the ability of your setup to run for very extended run times. Not because it is super efficient but because there is very little to loose in this electric field. It is the very same effect Tesla was investigating except he was using it in the extreme (millions of volts).

If we slip an aluminum core into the mix will this increase the effect like iron does to a normal coil? That will be my experiment for the moment. Until I can get a coil with a lot of layers built I will never know for sure. I am also looking into making a torrid out of aluminum and winding the bifilar around this aluminum core to see if anything happens like a normal iron core or ferrite core would do for a normal coil.

Just some thought,
jbignes5

[FRC]

But anyways... Seeing that you are starting to understand what is going on here have you made the aluminum connection yet?

I think that Tesla was so turned on by aluminum because it acted just like iron does to a magnetic field but it's field is the electric one. Why would the magnetic field be the only one to have a conduit or magnifier as in the case of iron. I think aluminum is that metal for the electric field.

It would be very interesting if we try aluminum cores in the bifilars to see if it makes them stronger just like iron does as a core. Aluminum is the main material in these type of caps and they show very strange properties like the storage of energy with not much loss. I still believe that aluminum is a converter from heavy current(magnetic) to a current with nothing to loose in the way of energy.

This might explain the ability of your setup to run for very extended run times. Not because it is super efficient but because there is very little to loose in this electric field. It is the very same effect Tesla was investigating except he was using it in the extreme (millions of volts).

If we slip an aluminum core into the mix will this increase the effect like iron does to a normal coil? That will be my experiment for the moment. Until I can get a coil with a lot of layers built I will never know for sure. I am also looking into making a torrid out of aluminum and winding the bifilar around this aluminum core to see if anything happens like a normal iron core or ferrite core would do for a normal coil.

Just some thought,
jbignes5

I might be all wrong about this, but if the coils work, do you think that there might end up being a decay in the performance of them over time? I am only
suggesting this because aluminum batteries did not have a very long life. Also
these Joule ringers might have the same fate over time if the aluminum in the
caps decay.

On another note, have you tried magnesium for your shakes. A friend of mine
in California got rid of his by using it.

FRC

[minoly]

Thanks for the tip, will have to pick up some tip31’s today (sorry, lame sense of humor) We received our germaniums yesterday. That was it for the self-run on our build, we had a nice light going for 15 minutes. When powered w/ 6 volts, and an even brighter light when started w/ 12 volts – so heck why not – we slapped it w/ 24 and poof – let the smoke out That was our last fuji transistor. Could not get it going w/ anything else we had lying around. May have shorted the fuji transformer as well. We were using the cap resister in place of the germaniums and could get it to run nicely, but no self run.

when we had it running w/ the germaniums last night, we tried several coils we had lying around, window motor windings, Bedini coils w/o core they all self ran, however the one that ran the best was a LaserSaber wound 8 layer bifiler on a solder spool ¾” core 2” long about 6ohms of 26awg
will have to play around w/ the aluminum core when we pick up those tips.

[minoly]

PS

we used some tiny neos on the transformer to "magamp" the light