The Robert Adams Pulse Motor Design Review

[bugler]

Sorry to ask a silly question but what is exactly that you have got with this motor?

Did you get overunity? Do you get more electricity out that what you put to run it?

thanks.

[lanenal]

thanks for the list

thanks for the positive comments

I will make a small list of all the parts and the suppler I used
post here


Parts you will require
The following parts only are recommended to replicate the exact experiment. Other configurations should work just as well.

All parts that are not specified as not requiring magnetic properties should all be non- magnetic materials.

What I have tried to do with most parts is buy what is on the shelf.
My main goal was to make this possible for the novice, not so much the top end engineer, although all are welcome to have ago.

1.) The Coils
I was able to obtain some large inductors from speaker crossover networks.
They are available at a good cost and are accurately manufactured. They have a inductance rating coil resistance and wire gauge and most of all an iron core.
They work well for our demonstration.
L1, L2, L3, L4.



The magnets used here are rod magnets, 30 x 25.4mm N45 Rare Earth 6000 gauss.
Please take care: these magnets were dangerous to handle.


A PVC billet disc was used for the main rotor and should be plastic or aluminum (non magnetic). It was 10mm thick x 150mm in diameter, with our magnets 24.5 mm. This gives us a total diameter of 199 mm.



The base plate needs to be of a solid nature. Vibration will cause loses in performance.
PVC or aluminum (non magnetic materials only).

Our base plate PVC 500 x 500 x 15mm


I used aluminum support bracket for the coils.

You need to source a bearing for the rotor. This one is from an old hard drive. We had the base plate machined to fit the bearing. you may have another approach.


These are small 5mm x 5mm trigger magnets fitted to the side of the rotor. They should be installed south pole facing out to suit the pick up electronics, as the Hall Effect Sensor is pole sensitive.


still really just magnets and coils on a old hard drive bearing

Yes will try to keep it very basic and it really is I hope any body could build it

cheers

Many thanks for sharing all this precious info! Thanks for the list, I think this really looks simple and anybody may give it a go. BTW, Could you also provide a circuit for it? Also any advices/tips on tuning would be appreciated.

lanenal

Ash: I think a proven plan for building an Adams moter should be a must have for any FE researcher.

[elias]

Newman's Machine

Hi,

Just impressive, I am wondering about this effect too, I remember reading somewhere that the Adams motor efficiency will go up if you operate it on more voltage, (e.g. 200-300V).

I am currently working on a type of a Newman motor, and I would like to see if the principles of cold current can be applied to a Newman type motor, I am going to get some powerful Mosfets for switching to see how it goes. The commutator is really a mess on high voltages.

I have designed a type of dual circuit to drive the Newman motor, which ping pongs charge back and forth, when I spin it up by hand it charges its own capacitors, and goes on for a while (several seconds). I am suspecting that it is possible to make these motors self-run, by proper timing. Newman said once that "timing is everything".

Hope you success with your larger Adams motor.

Elias

[ashtweth]

Guys Rod is also proof reading a PDF he donated to the Panacea uni - ill also get a copy to Patrick when done

Ash

[toranarod]

Hi Rod,

That's truly most exciting -- if I could replicate what you've already done, I would already be satisfied . I look forward to learn more about your plans. Meanwhile, please keep an eye on simplicity, so that we can replicate your work.

Thanks!

lanenal

thanks for the positive comments

I will make a small list of all the parts and the suppler I used
post here


Parts you will require
The following parts only are recommended to replicate the exact experiment. Other configurations should work just as well.

All parts that are not specified as not requiring magnetic properties should all be non- magnetic materials.

What I have tried to do with most parts is buy what is on the shelf.
My main goal was to make this possible for the novice, not so much the top end engineer, although all are welcome to have ago.

1.) The Coils
I was able to obtain some large inductors from speaker crossover networks.
They are available at a good cost and are accurately manufactured. They have a inductance rating coil resistance and wire gauge and most of all an iron core.
They work well for our demonstration.
L1, L2, L3, L4.



The magnets used here are rod magnets, 30 x 25.4mm N45 Rare Earth 6000 gauss.
Please take care: these magnets were dangerous to handle.


A PVC billet disc was used for the main rotor and should be plastic or aluminum (non magnetic). It was 10mm thick x 150mm in diameter, with our magnets 24.5 mm. This gives us a total diameter of 199 mm.



The base plate needs to be of a solid nature. Vibration will cause loses in performance.
PVC or aluminum (non magnetic materials only).

Our base plate PVC 500 x 500 x 15mm


I used aluminum support bracket for the coils.

You need to source a bearing for the rotor. This one is from an old hard drive. We had the base plate machined to fit the bearing. you may have another approach.


These are small 5mm x 5mm trigger magnets fitted to the side of the rotor. They should be installed south pole facing out to suit the pick up electronics, as the Hall Effect Sensor is pole sensitive.


still really just magnets and coils on a old hard drive bearing

Yes will try to keep it very basic and it really is I hope any body could build it

cheers

[lanenal]

amazing!

There are a few things I have not disclosed about the motor in question
Only two coils are drive coils. The other two coils are generator coils.
This motor runs its self on it own power coming from the drive coils.
With the efficiency and the triple pulse I collect enough energy from the back emf to charge the source battery
Every thing coming from the generator coils is total free energy.
Cannot stress how excited I am about the results I am designing and planning a 240 volt generator for the home for this research.
I have some mew designs I will show you as soon as I have drafted the plans.

Hi Rod,

That's truly most exciting -- if I could replicate what you've already done, I would already be satisfied . I look forward to learn more about your plans. Meanwhile, please keep an eye on simplicity, so that we can replicate your work.

Thanks!

lanenal

[toranarod]

Hi I have seen the Thermo motor many times and done some experimenting with it. Robert never showed how to set it up properly but was trying to get me to work it out for myself by trial and error. I never got there before he died unfortunately. If I may make a few comments here please do not take them as criticizm of this very very good work. I will just comment on what I have seen and deduced. The Magnets here are about the same size as the neos RA was using in his 10KW small thermo motor, 4 x magnets arranged axially through the rotor, (much safer as they don't fly out) and we can use both poles. 2 coils giving both drive and recovery, one on the north side one on the south side diametrically opposite. Wired in series to give a combined resistance of exactly 72 ohms. Air gap of 1.25mm or less to the cores when aligned with the magnet so they have to be running true and accurate. This close gap causes the poles to be the opposite of what you would expect as the core becomes part of the magnet when in register. Solid pure iron cores drilled with water running through them as they do heat up when working right and the coils are oil cooled as well (dont water cool them or a short will be disastrous) as I found out you get the odd nic in the insulation when winding the fine wire you need to get such high resistance. Bedini works on a capacitive value in the windings RA works on the inductive value in the coil. Bedini uses low voltage RA uses high voltage for the thermo motor 360volts DC. Speed is very important as there is a magnetic resonance going on I believe and an electrical resonance but the speed for a 4 magnet rotor is not excessively fast <2000rpm. You are right about the timing of the switching being critical, it is. This motor of RAs produced energy in 2 ways the primary was the electrical feedback he got from the coils probably 10KW and the secondary was electrical energy he collected from the cooling water, I believe to be in the order of another 40KW, that was real tricky and but simple when you saw it. He called it reverse engineering. The magnets were 7/8" diameter and 1" long X4 off on this small motor but it produced adequate energy for a house ++ some to export or sell. Also I can vouch for the fact that the magnets got stronger with time because the magnets he had used for a long time which when he brought them were lower powered than the ones I brought to make a copy had far more strength in them than mine had so I believed his claim that they gained strength over time when used right.
Some thoughts to chew over but most impressed with your work so far.

All the best.

Thank you for your positive comments.
I can see you put a bit of time into writing this blog this is a subject close to your heart.
That is obvious.
Your first hand experience and knowledge in this area is very much appreciated.
This is something new for me to think about and will be putting in with the other files I
Keep on Adams and such materials
Thank you
cheers Rod

[RustyP]

There are a few things I have not disclosed about the motor in question
Only two coils are drive coils. The other two coils are generator coils.
This motor runs its self on it own power coming from the drive coils.
With the efficiency and the triple pulse I collect enough energy from the back emf to charge the source battery
Every thing coming from the generator coils is total free energy.
Cannot stress how excited I am about the results I am designing and planning a 240 volt generator for the home for this research.
I have some mew designs I will show you as soon as I have drafted the plans.




cheers

Hi I have seen the Thermo motor many times and done some experimenting with it. Robert never showed how to set it up properly but was trying to get me to work it out for myself by trial and error. I never got there before he died unfortunately. If I may make a few comments here please do not take them as criticizm of this very very good work. I will just comment on what I have seen and deduced. The Magnets here are about the same size as the neos RA was using in his 10KW small thermo motor, 4 x magnets arranged axially through the rotor, (much safer as they don't fly out) and we can use both poles. 2 coils giving both drive and recovery, one on the north side one on the south side diametrically opposite. Wired in series to give a combined resistance of exactly 72 ohms. Air gap of 1.25mm or less to the cores when aligned with the magnet so they have to be running true and accurate. This close gap causes the poles to be the opposite of what you would expect as the core becomes part of the magnet when in register. Solid pure iron cores drilled with water running through them as they do heat up when working right and the coils are oil cooled as well (dont water cool them or a short will be disastrous) as I found out you get the odd nic in the insulation when winding the fine wire you need to get such high resistance. Bedini works on a capacitive value in the windings RA works on the inductive value in the coil. Bedini uses low voltage RA uses high voltage for the thermo motor 360volts DC. Speed is very important as there is a magnetic resonance going on I believe and an electrical resonance but the speed for a 4 magnet rotor is not excessively fast <2000rpm. You are right about the timing of the switching being critical, it is. This motor of RAs produced energy in 2 ways the primary was the electrical feedback he got from the coils probably 10KW and the secondary was electrical energy he collected from the cooling water, I believe to be in the order of another 40KW, that was real tricky and but simple when you saw it. He called it reverse engineering. The magnets were 7/8" diameter and 1" long X4 off on this small motor but it produced adequate energy for a house ++ some to export or sell. Also I can vouch for the fact that the magnets got stronger with time because the magnets he had used for a long time which when he brought them were lower powered than the ones I brought to make a copy had far more strength in them than mine had so I believed his claim that they gained strength over time when used right.
Some thoughts to chew over but most impressed with your work so far.

All the best.

[toranarod]

Hi Rod,

My own experience with a window motor also led me to believe the on time of the pulse was a critical part of the solution. I never refined my testing to the level you have. Now I see I need to go back and look at it again using a Pic chip for control. I just recently learned how to use the Pic chip so I didn't have that kind of control before. I can easily adjust pulse width using the Pic. Thanks for sharing what you have learned.

Carroll

[citfta]

Great Job!

Hi Rod,

My own experience with a window motor also led me to believe the on time of the pulse was a critical part of the solution. I never refined my testing to the level you have. Now I see I need to go back and look at it again using a Pic chip for control. I just recently learned how to use the Pic chip so I didn't have that kind of control before. I can easily adjust pulse width using the Pic. Thanks for sharing what you have learned.

Carroll

[toranarod]

[toranarod]

Thanks for the quick reply. This all looks very exciting. Adams is not far away from Australia. Good to know Adams and his motor is not forgotten -- the suppression does not quench this man's spark of idea. I noticed another interesting thing in your setting below: two stators seems to be tilted, is that true? But why? I thought it should be good to have the four stators in symmetry.

http://www.thehydrogenshop.com/2uzfe/MMG.gif

There are a few things I have not disclosed about the motor in question
Only two coils are drive coils. The other two coils are generator coils.
This motor runs its self on it own power coming from the drive coils.
With the efficiency and the triple pulse I collect enough energy from the back emf to charge the source battery
Every thing coming from the generator coils is total free energy.
Cannot stress how excited I am about the results I am designing and planning a 240 volt generator for the home for this research.
I have some mew designs I will show you as soon as I have drafted the plans.




cheers

[lanenal]

asymmetric stators

the Data presented in the PDF is old and more configurations have been tried with better results. some times worse. other things like running on 60 to 70 volt also uncovered interesting things about the magnets. Yes you are on the mark good observation.

Thanks for the quick reply. This all looks very exciting. Adams is not far away from Australia. Good to know Adams and his motor is not forgotten -- the suppression does not quench this man's spark of idea. I noticed another interesting thing in your setting below: two stators seems to be tilted, is that true? But why? I thought it should be good to have the four stators in symmetry.

http://www.thehydrogenshop.com/2uzfe/MMG.gif

[toranarod]

Your advanture and observation definitely adds to the knowledge of everybody -- thanks a lot.

I also compared your scope figure of the pulse width and duty cycle

http://www.thehydrogenshop.com/Over_Unity_PDF/User%20instruction%20guide_4.1.pdf

with the scope below (runs 2800 RPM, four-pole setting, comparable to yours). It seems to me your duty cycle is about 50%, and here it is much less (maybe less than 20%).

http://www.angelfire.com/ak5/energy21/mha34.jpg

I wonder what if you reduce your duty cycle in % to a lower level? Shouldn't that reduce the energy input and increase the efficiency?

lanenal

the Data presented in the PDF is old and more configurations have been tried with better results. some times worse. other things like running on 60 to 70 volt also uncovered interesting things about the magnets. Yes you are on the mark good observation.

[lanenal]

less duty cycle

Yes. I read that the coil resistance was recommended to be in the 10 ohm range. this was a common requirement.
I was using 6000 gauss neo magnets.
also not recommended. I used what was of hi quality and available.
and i felt big was better. if this was going to work I was going to build a very much larger unit.
I have a lot more research information that i need to share so a better understanding why the large magnets worked, Its all about configuration to suit all the parameters of the values of all your components.
This is an exact science. Just like an RLC circuit has a resonance at the right frequency dictated by the values of the RLC components.

Your advanture and observation definitely adds to the knowledge of everybody -- thanks a lot.

I also compared your scope figure of the pulse width and duty cycle

http://www.thehydrogenshop.com/Over_Unity_PDF/User%20instruction%20guide_4.1.pdf

with the scope below (runs 2800 RPM, four-pole setting, comparable to yours). It seems to me your duty cycle is about 50%, and here it is much less (maybe less than 20%).

http://www.angelfire.com/ak5/energy21/mha34.jpg

I wonder what if you reduce your duty cycle in % to a lower level? Shouldn't that reduce the energy input and increase the efficiency?

lanenal