Captret - Perpetual Light with Dead Batteries

[ibpointless2]

What do you think is in water? H2O is two parts hydrogen to one part oxygen. It is an air component that donates it's energy to the aluminum to create the voltage we are seeing. Thats why you are seeing bubbles. Thats what is left after consuming the energy of the air part of water.

bubbles form anyways even if the plates are never connected. i don't see water being consumed, it seems it evaporating instead because i put plastic wrap over the top of one and water vapor started to appear.

[Jbignes5]

Yes they are..

bubbles form anyways even if the plates are never connected. i don't see water being consumed, it seems it evaporating instead because i put plastic wrap over the top of one and water vapor started to appear.

The battery performs no matter if it is used or not. The bubbles will increase as it is being used. Water will always evaporate and we need Air to be exposed to the water to replace the oxygen that is released from use. It is a complex cycle we are trying to setup here.

I have done some more research and I think I have found a viable air type battery. I'll keep you updated once I start experimenting on it. Copper and zinc seem to be the best choice and just plain water. I'm gonna try foils first with cotton separators. We will see what happens....

[gravityblock]

I have done some more research and I think I have found a viable air type battery. I'll keep you updated once I start experimenting on it. Copper and zinc seem to be the best choice and just plain water. I'm gonna try foils first with cotton separators. We will see what happens....

Copper Zinc Tap Water Fuel Cell

GB

[Jbignes5]

Yes but...

Thats a good link but what I plan on doing is using foils layered to get the effect. Copper and zinc foils are relatively cheap and I should be able to get a good output better then all the rest. You could think of it like a lifepo setup. Thin cells with many layers of each component.

A clue was dropped by someone in one of the threads that was Russian and for some reason it hit me that this could be the battery of choice. Another alternative to copper could be carbon sheets. But that will be for another time to experiment with.

Let me be clear that there should be no other additive other then water. This is to maintain the condition of the plates so that we can get maximum life out of the battery. But I digress... A small cell would prove this and thats what I plan on doing.

[ibpointless2]

Thats a good link but what I plan on doing is using foils layered to get the effect. Copper and zinc foils are relatively cheap and I should be able to get a good output better then all the rest. You could think of it like a lifepo setup. Thin cells with many layers of each component.

A clue was dropped by someone in one of the threads that was Russian and for some reason it hit me that this could be the battery of choice. Another alternative to copper could be carbon sheets. But that will be for another time to experiment with.

Let me be clear that there should be no other additive other then water. This is to maintain the condition of the plates so that we can get maximum life out of the battery. But I digress... A small cell would prove this and thats what I plan on doing.

I wouldn't use copper because its soluble, thats why i use aluminum because its non-soluble in water. And plus copper is more expensive too. If you want to know the best metal to use for a battery then try Gold or Platinum, this battery has been using it and it still produces its original voltage. This Battery Has Been Working for 60 Years


Copper - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[ibpointless2]

I've got some one expanding on the water captret battery idea. This guy has the foil wrapped around the outside not touching anything and he gets some big bubbles.

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[Jbignes5]

hmm

looks like a laden jar to me. Without more information like a very clear video or a description it could be anything.

Also I was playing with the idea that aluminum and carbon sheets would work well. What do you think?

[ibpointless2]

I still don't think that the water captret battery is just a mere aluminum air battery. I find that if it was a aluminum air battery then it would be producing more voltage and the other plate of the same metal would not be needed. Plus Aluminum is not the only metal that does it, brass and copper experience it.

I think the water captret battery is merely a electret. If you look at the electret and the water captret you'll see the similarities. A electret is a dielectric material thats between two metal plates. Water, which is a dielectric, has two metal plates too that are separated by the water. Just like a electret the water captrets need to be shorted out when first created so to give it's best charge.

I also think that this electret effect has something to do with why capacitors self charge, because they too have two metal plates separated by a dielectric.

Calling the water captret battery a aluminum air battery is taking the easy way out. I really think there's something special about them, kinds of reminds me of the casimir effect too. I would have believed the air battery idea if not for the fact that my water captret batteries still have clear water and perfect plates after sitting shorted out for months, something a aluminum air battery of the same size could not do.

[Jbignes5]

I would say you are correct but...

I still don't think that the water captret battery is just a mere aluminum air battery. I find that if it was a aluminum air battery then it would be producing more voltage and the other plate of the same metal would not be needed. Plus Aluminum is not the only metal that does it, brass and copper experience it.

I think the water captret battery is merely a electret. If you look at the electret and the water captret you'll see the similarities. A electret is a dielectric material thats between two metal plates. Water, which is a dielectric, has two metal plates too that are separated by the water. Just like a electret the water captrets need to be shorted out when first created so to give it's best charge.

I also think that this electret effect has something to do with why capacitors self charge, because they too have two metal plates separated by a dielectric.

Calling the water captret battery a aluminum air battery is taking the easy way out. I really think there's something special about them, kinds of reminds me of the casimir effect too. I would have believed the air battery idea if not for the fact that my water captret batteries still have clear water and perfect plates after sitting shorted out for months, something a aluminum air battery of the same size could not do.

When you use anything then yes it is an aluminum air battery. When you use water it shows less of a current but none the less it is still an aluminum air battery. The air is in the water. It is why it works with everything. Water is the key and air is in water. You have less of an effect but it is none the less an air battery. There are tons of air batteries, just look them up. They use all kinds of materials like copper, iron, magnesium, you name it. The common component is air and that is the key.

If you start to understand that you can do this even with air itself by polarizing the air through high voltage between two plates just like Tesla showed in his own experiments. Thats right just two plates that weigh the same but are of different surface area. This has an amplifying effect as it focuses the energy into a very small collection electrode. The ultimate capacitor made with nothing but plates and air separating them.

The part that rips materials apart is the current. If you use pure voltage there is no eating of the plates material but you need to down convert the high voltage to make it useful. I used to own an air capacitor when I was into CB's. Very handy for matching the antenna to the transmitter. I once matched my heating ducts to the radio and was broadcasting over 75-150 miles and no mismatch between the transmitter and antenna (heater ducts).

Some of this theory is impedance and what is the reflected signal twords the source. In our journey on this earth we have never put two and two together like this before. If you don't have a reflected signal back to the source then there is zero resistance to the flow and consequently it takes very little current to power anything when there is nothing impeding it. Hence why you are seeing your effect.

[ibpointless2]

I took some time off from playing with the water captret battery; I could never find a good way to increase the voltage. I'm back at playing with capacitors and playing with the captret setup.

I noticed something interesting about the captret. I've have the captret + and - leads shorted out and my meter connected to the case and the negative lead. As would what anyone one would expect the voltage goes down when it is hooked up to the meter, but when i touch my finger to the case the voltage will start to go up. At first i thought i was grounding it and that caused it to go up, so instead i touched the other end of the alligator clip that is connected to the case and the voltage went down. So I’m not grounding it when i touch it, so what could be causing it to increase? At first i thought it was the "human electricity" that i was giving off, but then it hit me. I started to blow my hot air from my mouth on to it, and the voltage started to go up. Just to make sure I heated up my hot glue gun, and placed the side of it where it gets hot on to the top of the capacitor and the voltage started going up. It seems the Captret or better yet capacitors are also thermocouples.

Being a thermocouple it could be gathering the radiant heat that sounds up constantly and this could be the reason also for the self-charging we see in the captret circuits. This thermal couple effect could also be the reason why capacitors manage to have a voltage even when shorted out. But this is not that surprising when you start considering current thermal couples and how they function. You see normal thermal couples rely on two DISIMILAR metals while the capacitor has to similar metals but yet still gives off electricity. This also goes along with what I’ve been saying about the water captret batteries; even though they have similar metal they're giving off electricity. It also seems that i may have answered my own question about the water captret battery on how to get more voltage, just add more heat! It seems there is no mystery when it comes to the captret and its extra energy; it’s getting its extra energy from the radiant heat that surrounds us constantly. As for my water captret batteries, they're thermocouples. Not just any thermal couple but what seems to be a very different kind, as you have read my thermal couple uses two of the same metals while normal thermal couples used two dissimilar metals. As seen here. Thermocouple - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

You can test this yourself.
I shorted out a 220uF 50V capacitors + and - leads. Connected my meters - probe to the - of the capacitor and the + of my meter went to the case of the capacitor. The voltage was low, around .700 volts but when i touched with my hand or something hot the voltage slowly went up instead of down.

So technically the captret got its extra energy from radiant energy that surrounds us at all time, no matter where you go there is some type of heat.

[Joit]

Digging this Thing out from the Corner.

I got a Shoot now from the Wave on a old Captret.
The Probe was connected between the 9V Block, Capacitor was 63V 47µf. Load was a white Led witha 470ohm Resistor on the Plus side, prepared for a 12v Source. The Wave is everwhere the same, when i switch to the Cap or the Battery. A 470µF gave about the same Wave out.

I did trigger the Signal, till it was stable there, but the Frequency did still jump between 2khz and 60 khz, not sure, what it actually was, because it can been noise measured also.
Sometimes it did stay stable at about 12khz.
Its may nothing new, but interesting, how the Waveform do looks like at last.

[SL3]

Keep up the good work! You're onto something, indeed.

Some food for thought on the captret fun:

1) Over-Unity you'll always find in properly constructed resonant systems -- electrical, mechanical, etc.

2) Resonance views tend to be myopic among electrical experimenters. Mechanically, when the applied frequency equals the natural frequency of a system, the resultant induced waveform can go infinite in amplitude. Over-Unity is in mechanical systems and wave action all the time; for ultimately all electrical activity is a mechanical/ physical action, too. There is no separation.

3) More specific to the Captret mystery, people often forget or fail to measure that Tesla coils are over-unity devices. Why so? Because where Inductive Reactance = Capacitive Reactance....again you have Resonance. If you think about it, a relatively small high voltage power supply at low amps is used to drive a far more productive air core transformer. A step up transformer which magnifies the high voltage greatly, but how many of you actually stick an ammeter to to the lightning bolts off a Tesla coil? Common sense would tell you by just looking at the thickness and intensity of the lightning bolt....that you're dealing with considerable amp difference between the Tesla coil output and its power supply. All relates to Resonance.

4) And what do we know about resonant circuits? R-L-C circuits? Hmmm....The Captrets appear to approach over-unity and reach it. Obviously there's a capacitor in the circuit. Definitely there's a total Resistance. So, find your Inductor among the whole.....and that explains the "sweet spot" behavior. Where in the circuit does Capacitive Reactance = Inductive Reactance? :-) Just like in Tesla coils, you'll have some operation when not at the sweet spots, but, if you want maximum performance, total circuit Resistance, Capacitance, and the more mysterious Inductance need to be figured and designed around.

To find the Inductance mystery, one needs to the consider the magnetic dimension to all things electric going on in the circuit. Maybe you don't see any coil loops formed, but there are always field lines looping about any current flow. And electric current is really nothing more than the vortex spout of two, opposing magnetic rivers. For every E you put into a circuit, there is always the B (or E x B) ...and also the E' x B'. With the Captrets, you're seeing E (positive electrical energy) and E' (the negative tapped), but not seeing the B and B'. You see the C and C'. The R and R' you can see if studying it. Just need to think about your B and B' actions, and then it makes resonant sense! :-)

[SL3]

Additional notes/ Captret Observations

[Snippets from a note to my good friend and patent attorney, and to some other buddies who love Free Energy gizmos. This was before I read some of Dr. Stiffler's studies.]

Also, in the last 2 days, I spent more time exploring a new circuit going around out there called the "Captret", which is not my invention. However, I have managed to more deeply explore it and achieve Over-Unity with it. The difference between this device and my other generator explorations here is ZERO power input to tickle the gizmo and only power output.

It is basically a different variant of the old AM Crystal Radio. At this time, I do not know if the power source comes from waves of the Quantum Vacuum (Ether), or background radio waves & noise (not likely since the power output is stable and unbroken), or if from cosmic background radiation (Microwave, etc.). I do not yet know the reasons for function. Among tests, it is too soon to say, but possibly the ratio of capacitance to capacitance affects the performance of the circuit due to resonance & oscillator issues.

Definitely, the circuit behaves as an amplifier of background electromagnetic noise, and so some form of oscillation is likely. The circuit also comprises Resistance in the wires (R), Inductors among the spiral coiling of capacitor plates (L), and Capacitance.....therefore, it has a resonant frequency....and R-L-C values impact that.

Asymmetry between large and small capacitor also makes a difference, and this issue relates to electrokinetics, gravitics, warped space-time, etc. Another possible reason (or all of them combined), is the issue of the first magnetic field spiraling around as the capacitor plates spiral. Meanwhile, that looping of current causes a second magnetic vector along the capacitor axis. Here, you have formation of the Lorentz O. When magnetism is split and fields & their vortices spun about each other in anything other than parallel, this asymmetry in magnetism results in asymmetry in space-time and results in also acceleration....or that "warp" basically induces a little mini-whitehole (or mini-blackhole) in which forces of the Quantum Vacuum can shunt into or out of our dimensional plane.

In any case and whatever the true physics explanation behind why the circuit works, I have definitely produced milliWatt levels of power with it continuously for a couple days now. Measured on the scope. Charge builds up when no load is on the circuit. Then, it discharges quickly and goes to an equilibrium voltage level....depending upon if the load is greater or less than the milliWatt generator output. For now, I have the circuit building up voltage from near 0 volts to 4 volts peak surge, and then steady to 0.4 Volts with light load of the meter....or dropping to 0 again with load of the oscilloscope.

Possibly (needing more experiment) I am finding better results and voltage increase as the large capacitor bank is expanded while the small cap is held the same or reduced in capacitance (Capacitor / Charge asymmetry). Normally, charge asymmetry yields an electrokinetic (anti-gravitic effect that is not from Ion Wind and confirmed in vacuum tests). Anytime there is asymmetry in our world, there is always Potential Energy waiting to flow to Kinetic. The galvanic potential between two electrodes, for example, yields a potential difference (or Voltage bias). A high voltage charged, asymmetric capacitor yields counter-gravitic Lift. We also know that the shape asymmetry of eggs yields a voltage potential about the egg's surface and as a function of rotational position within the gravitic field-- due to magnetism's having to basically airfoil over the shape difference (just like wing camber's asymmetry yields lift). Asymmetry between High and Low pressure.....yields wind and water flows. Newtonian Mechanics still at the core of these quantum areas, as things in equilibrium prefer to stay in equilibrium. Things warped away from balance, try to seek balance. A 10 pound weight on one side of the scale tries to equalize with the 10 gram weight at the other end, but flies past equilibrium with great momentum because of the asymmetry in mass.

Energy and Mass being interchangeable, Charge works the same way. Condense charge anywhere in space-time, and even the standard capacitor weighs very slightly less due to charge asymmetry. In Plank's equation, E = hf, if you simply raise the vibrational frequency of anything, you raise its Energy value. An object of low energy has mass. Objects of high energy go massless and even invisible. Charge (in relation to capacitor storage) is basically Energy and/ or Mass condensed, but, when you condense that Mass-Energy with asymmetry, you develop asymmetry in magnetic, gravitic, and electrical forces.....which, if a gimbal lock is placed upon any axis (magnetic and gravitic), the primary path of least resistance for that energy flow is onto the electrical plane....yielding a voltage bias.

* In this case, the capacitor is "gimbal locked" in the gravitic due to fixation of position. The magnetic is "gimbal locked" due to containment in the Faraday Cage that is the casing. Radiant Energy expression along the electric is the path of least resistance, and so the voltage bias makes sense.

Outside of all that, another factor going on in the Captret is that the metal can forms a Faraday Cage. As magnetic forces inside the capacitor spiral about yet impact the cage, voltage can be induced here, too. However, anywhere you have an Over-Unity issue going on in violation of the "laws of science", the system has to be drawing wave energy from another source......and that is always with the Quantum Vacuum where resonance occurs (always a PHI relation). Even in mechanical systems, when the applied frequency equals the natural frequency of the system, you have resonance....and we know that the amplitude of the resultant waves can theoretically go infinite.

With the Captret, there also seems to be a mechanical saturation limit on the system and various things to design around, but definitely the system has a natural frequency as an RLC circuit / capacitive-oscillator-amplifier....and the amplification part of the applied frequency is done by Resonance. The source of the applied frequency remains unknown at this point is all, but, generally, you cannot get Over-Unity without it coming from the Quantum Vacuum. If it were merely from background radio noise of the world, the voltage would be intermittent, shifting, and not so related to resonant issues nor would there be such great amplification from microvolts to millivolts and volts in amplitude.

ADDITIONAL OBSERVATIONS

Capacitor banks are highly sensitive to external electric charge, specifically of the human body at distances over 12". This can result in experimental inaccuracy. Ample static electrical when ground leads are pulled.

...Uploading some test data soon.

[SL3]

Captret tests

The following tests were carried out last night fairly quickly, in casual form, and with no tight methodology. Therefore, though the general shapes of the graph and data hold true, exact accuracy is a bit off on milliVolt measure, seconds counted (manually with a stopwatch), and all of my ammeters are presently kaput while I did not bother to set up a voltage/ resistor circuit to calculate amps. The missing perspective on amps needs to be considered also before drawing conclusions in regard to charging and discharge rates. Generally, the faster the discharge rate, the greater will have been the amp flow.


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The table and charts show two considerations: 1) Over-Unity device ranking as a function of performance measured in milliVolt rise per second. 2) Order on the chart ranked in terms of capacitance (though some initial mass tests and comparisons are off to the right).

Explanation

A 22 uF / 25 Volt Philips electrolytic capacitor was used as the captret. Its casing was clipped to with the (-) of the feed capacitor and capacitor banks.
This capacitor was selected from prior trials which showed what seemed to be the best resonant circuit combination with the overall wiring resistance and a 470 uF / 50 V Nichicon capacitor. Capacitor arrangements were quickly tried and seemed to show better output from an asymmetrical charging arrangement (big feed cap / little captret). From there, I wanted to explore how Feed Capacitor variance affects the circuit. Tests were also done with the single 22uF cap. After reading Dr. Stiffler's research into Tesla radiant energy receivers and mass, I threw in a couple "mass antenna" formed from brass weights for comparison tests.

Observations on the oscilloscope show faint AC noise which is amplified by a single capacitor alone and oddly rectified to DC by the captret nature -- Dr. Stiffler's "Phantom Diode" observation. Amplification also implies oscillation and resonance issues in play, as noted to the RLC circuit. The AC signal is amplitude modulated more so than frequency, and so this gives a DC reading only when the circuit is grounded.

The system is behaving as an antenna of some form. Whether that be Ether or background radio remains to be seen. I suspect Ether. When the ground lead is disconnected, the AC charges the capacitor (This is the Charging time measured). Time was counted from ground disconnect to reconnection and DC voltage level noted -- giving milliVolt rise per Time. This was roughly averaged/ approximated/ eyeballed leading to some inaccuracy in experiment, but overall shape of data remains. At a selected voltage level, the rate of discharge back to starting point was also measured. It should be noted, however, that -- just as in normal capacitor discharge, the rate is greater at higher voltages and lesser near the residual voltage. Takes longer time for the capacitor to fade out.

"Full Bank" refers to a mixture of little capacitors of various value on hand which composed a larger capacitor bank wired in parallel. Haven't yet tabulated the Farads, but it is the biggest bank. The rest are various capacitors and voltage ratings. Mass-driven antenna in replacement of the capacitor bank are also compared. Here, a 60 gram brass weight versus a 10 gram weight was tested as an asymmetrical antenna with variable gap space (mini Jacob's Ladder form). A pair of 10 gram brass weights were also compared.

All discharge load was constant and simply from the oscilloscope drain in measurement. When that load is removed, voltage builds in the circuit to a saturation point -- generally around 0.4 Volts with the 470 / 22 uF combination in this circuit. .

The charts show charge and discharge rates for each device construct. The 470 uF/ 22 uF capacitor bank clearly shows a greater rate of charging than discharge. This means nothing without amp measure, however. Generally, it hints that the 470 uF/ 22 uF combination is operating closer to the circuit's RLC "sweet spot" than other constructs.

More experiment needs to be done, but there are also a couple key observations here:

In a side by side comparison of Feed Capacitors acting as antennae, greater capacitance and size of the 1000 uF cap performed less than a smaller 10 uF cap for charge build-up and discharge rate. Their voltage ratings were also fairly close. The difference? The 1000 uF cap was long and skinny, but of slightly greater diameter than the 10 uF cap. Of them all, the greatest performer was the fat, short 470 uF cap -- further implying Inductance the issue here and confirming my suspicions on resonance activity behind it all. The fat, short capacitor has more foil turns per unit length and behaves just as insulated magnet wire does in forming an electromagnet. This spiral arrangement, however, is set up in asymmetrical fashion over conventional coils. It composes a directional and vortex form of winding -- just like in Tesla pancake coils -- which results in greater concentration of forces, energy, or what can be seen as electron momentum variance. If you follow the path of a single electron going into and out of the spiral, it gains or loses energy with asymmetry. Charge asymmetry implies a counter-gravitic action and E' x B' activity over conventional E x B.

There are two magnetic fields in interplay: 1) The field set up planar to current flow as electrons spiral through the capacitor foil, and 2) those magnetic loops flow and condense as we move to the spiral interior. The looping current in itself yields an axial magnetic force which derives from that summing of forces, but this magnetic force is "gimbal locked" by the Faraday Cage and also further gimbal locked by zero acceleration on the capacitor....therefore, energy flow to greater voltage bias is the course.

The observations point to improved captret designs that should be based closer to Tesla pancake coil form. Miles long, skinny foil -- or just magnet wire with insulation as the dielectric -- as the antenna (or Feed Capacitor). Aluminum "Faraday Cage".

Aluminum being not so magnetic and yet subjected to those Faraday Cage forces as shielding....this could be partly where the "phantom diode" action arises.

MilliWatt power generation, but definitely Over-Unity and something that can be upscaled or used. Greater voltage bias, however, will result from sky/ earth Radiant Energy setups as Tesla noted.

Never let the Naysayer Nellies discourage you or coincidental discoveries (such as reinventing Dr. Stiffler's wheel), IBPointless. Happens all the time. The captret has practical, portable, low-power applications. LED's lights, burst signal, and may hold greater utility where upscaled and fine tuned. All part of the bag of tricks in future electrical engineering!

What you dudes really need to have fun playing with more is Daniel McFarland Cook's Electromagnetic Battery. US Patent # 119,825.


Warm regards ,


"The Abominable Snowman"
SnowLabs.net

[ibpointless2]

Glad to see someone still looking at the Captret idea. When I piece the idea together i never had idea of overunity or free energy, and really didn't know how it work, all I knew was that it could light a LED and I should share this with people. The Captret idea was fun and it got people to think outside the box and that was all I wanted from this.

It was true that I did get some self charging circuits and this has always had me wondering where this extra energy was coming from. So I set out to figure out what made the Captret, or in-fact capacitors in general so special. The extra electricity is coming from the fact that when two of the same metals placed in a dielectric a voltage will appear. The random voltage could also be the reason why we have dielectric absorption, even when a capacitor is new or has been shorted out for a long time it will still show a small voltage. I spin most of my time studying the amazing phenomenon, You search anywhere and two of the same metals placed in a dielectric such as water should not make any power but it does even when you used pure distilled water. The only thing that comes close to explaining this idea is the Casmir effect but even that's a bit of a stretch.

The power you get from the two of the same metal plates in the distilled water is very unique, it seems to have a frequency that it floats on, sort of like its producing AC power. The power is also very dependent of it surroundings, temp. , seasons, and even the very shape of the plates.

So if any one want to know why the captret or even some capacitors seem to have a mysterious overunity voltage to them then my study in the same metal water battery might offer a clue but not the full answer. I still don't know why two of the same metals place in water would give a voltage, its not galvanic because i use the same metal in the same distilled water. I'll post a link to the blog about the same metal water battery, it gives the most up to date things I find about it.
Same Metal Water Battery

I've been studying this idea for a while and I've given several names, "water captret", "similar metal water battery", and "same metal water battery". so doing a simple google search of batteries that use the same metals in water would bring up all my study on the topic and many of my videos, but those 3 names are pretty much the same.