Charge conserving Capacitive Spring.

[SuperCaviTationIstic]

I just found this page tonight, and it's directly related to the way the plasma in a fluorescent reacts as a capacitor plate.

plasmacap

[nueview]

there are some points to contemplate here.

the first is the plate wiring as i am seeing it if you are raising the inside of the tube with a positive potential the plate outside should be connected to the negative terminal with the gas breakdown discharge across the inside of the tube.

unless you are looking to suppress the charge flow through the tube until the neon fires by the suppressed voltage of the battery pack which it appears you are doing if so it would be better to connect the tube plate at the opposite end from the tube gass positive.

myself i would have simplified the arangement and placed the positive terminal to the tube end and connected the negative to the foil and other end of the tube and then used a florescent transformer and a variable transformer to adjust the power level to fire the tube then use a decoupled scope to read the waveform.

i realize you may not have the needed equipment to do this test and it is a test just haveing some thoughts about what it is actually showing.
please do not take this as a negative as it was intended for helping to get a better result.
Martin

[SilverToGold]

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[SilverToGold]

Seen this before, but he gets it wrong at the end of the article when he assumes that the energy is constant. Bad assumption.

"One last thing; thinking back to the well known formula E = 1/2 (C x V^2), can we get the capacitive analogue of inductive kickback? When we have a high-value inductor connected to a low voltage current source, and suddenly interrupt the current flow, the collapsing magnetic field induces a very high voltage. This is how automotive ignition coils function, and is pretty well understood. But can we do the same thing, but capacitively, with the 'plasma capacitor'? If we have a capacitance of value C, charged to some voltage V, and we suddenly 'kill' the capacitance by drastically reducing one plate very fast (we 'unlight' the plasma), what happens? E must remain constant; so it would seem that if the capacitance were reduced, V would rise to a high value. Assuming a capacitor of .001uF, as above, charged to say, 500V, we get a stored energy of 0.125mJ. If we suddenly reduce C to 1% of its initial value, or 10pF, assuming E remains constant, with little lost to heat or something else, V would seem to increase to 5000 volts (!). Does it actually work, or is something being missed? "

E does NOT remain constant for a variable capacitance. Q remains constant, V goes up and so does Energy.

I just found this page tonight, and it's directly related to the way the plasma in a fluorescent reacts as a capacitor plate.

plasmacap

[nueview]

saying Q remains constant is a bit of the problem with this if the energy remains constant then either the voltage most rise or the charge must flow it is a hard one to get right at first for me to.
i don't think you can really get a good measurement out of a plasma tube unless you submerge it in a high dielectric oil or the like. air is not good enough as under the right circumstances it is very capacitive and very conductive.
sorry for being kind of vague here but if the plasma discharges is there a natural pull back to the gas like the overshot from a high voltage discharge.
i think i answered my own statement there.

i read a paper on the higgs boson the other day and it got me thinking about just this problem as if what goes on inside matter is the inverse of what we see outside so it then makes allot of sense as to how these field actions work to some extent.
sorry i was letting my key board run on.
Martin

[OrionLightShip]

could this



be this in some wrapped up or otherwise modified form?

[jpolakow]

Cores

Below is a response from Eric Dollard. All these words are from Eric, not me. Eric is very interested in your guys' thread you guys are actually doing something. Eric says this is the least amount of bull****. Also: Eric would like it if you guys could actually post pictures, diagrams, equations, material instead of links to them. So Eric can see these things without having to follow a bunch of links.

Ferrite cores ultimately do not really work. Here is how I determined that: If I want to build a 60 cycle transformer to go from 240 volts to 4800 volts no problem. Now let's say I want to build a transformer with the same voltage ratio at 6 mega cycles, it ain't happening. What I determined through experiment is that ferrite can carry the self inductance but not the mutual inductance. The audio guys had similar complaints. The navy uses very very fine steel tape(insulated). It seems that its important that the iron have conductivity electrically in the same direction that it is carrying the magnetism inductively. In other words the core conductivity is at right angles to the winding conductivity. At any rate that's my theory and because of the ferrite I have accumulated quite a pile of transformers that don't work.

You guys are getting into rotating electrostatic generators with cathode ray excitation. (Post # 83 in this thread). Eric would like it if you could show pictures and diagrams of that stuff. You are starting to get into some slight similarities with what Tesla did. There's some stuff that ties to the old cathode ray theories of Crookes, implemented by Tesla. The cathode ray(beta particle) excites the machine. It turns the electron-volts into potential e(small e deliberately - see Eric Dollard thread on units) I find this quite interesting. And then I found the fluerescent lamp variable capacitor interesting and here's what else you can do: You can go to your local neon sign shop and often for free the guy will make a short 1 foot tube for you of any gas or arrangement you want. That's it.

[Armagdn03]

Ha ha ha!

Least amount of bull***t uh? that's quite the compliment actually. I have put this thread on hold so that I can absorb more information, (almost exclusively from eric) and will begin experimentation with renewed vigor here soon.

I am in the middle of setting up a learning cooperative which will be self sufficient in terms of funding and human energy. One must create a self reinforcing situation, where if you remove your energy, the causality of it keeps it running....interesting social concept no? This is key and should lead to some great opportunity. I have started to assemble a team, things are in the works.....

[Armagdn03]

Below is a response from Eric Dollard. All these words are from Eric, not me. Eric is very interested in your guys' thread you guys are actually doing something. Eric says this is the least amount of bull****. Also: Eric would like it if you guys could actually post pictures, diagrams, equations, material instead of links to them. So Eric can see these things without having to follow a bunch of links.

Ferrite cores ultimately do not really work. Here is how I determined that: If I want to build a 60 cycle transformer to go from 240 volts to 4800 volts no problem. Now let's say I want to build a transformer with the same voltage ratio at 6 mega cycles, it ain't happening. What I determined through experiment is that ferrite can carry the self inductance but not the mutual inductance. The audio guys had similar complaints. The navy uses very very fine steel tape(insulated). It seems that its important that the iron have conductivity electrically in the same direction that it is carrying the magnetism inductively. In other words the core conductivity is at right angles to the winding conductivity. At any rate that's my theory and because of the ferrite I have accumulated quite a pile of transformers that don't work.

You guys are getting into rotating electrostatic generators with cathode ray excitation. (Post # 83 in this thread). Eric would like it if you could show pictures and diagrams of that stuff. You are starting to get into some slight similarities with what Tesla did. There's some stuff that ties to the old cathode ray theories of Crookes, implemented by Tesla. The cathode ray(beta particle) excites the machine. It turns the electron-volts into potential e(small e deliberately - see Eric Dollard thread on units) I find this quite interesting. And then I found the fluerescent lamp variable capacitor interesting and here's what else you can do: You can go to your local neon sign shop and often for free the guy will make a short 1 foot tube for you of any gas or arrangement you want. That's it.

I knew when I started this thread....That it would have its day in the sun.

[Armagdn03]

Hello,

Going to do a bit of free thought here, see if people would like to discuss.

Consider a ferromagnetic core. When a magnetic field is applied, the physical shape and parameters of the "molecules" changes. The permeability of a core changes as it continues towards saturation. This creates both a Physical shape change, and with it a permiability change.

Conversely the same thing can happen in the dielectric world.

So, what happens when we dielectrically modify a core with very high ohmic resistance (falls on the dielectric side of the spectrum, think of ohms as fulcrum which dictate the equal and opposite fields) Take for example a ferrite core. This has dielectric and magnetic properties. What happens to the permeability as we dielectrically excite the core and vice versa?

Moreover, this certainly brings up the question of piezoelectrics. Should I place a potential field stress across one axis, what happens to the permiability and permittivity of other axis?

What happens in a polar liquid material such as water which is also conductive? how does current affect the permittivity of this space?

http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/7252-cross-field-capacitor.html

[Armagdn03]

Further more....

Do acoustically excited piezoelectrics (in resonant modes to amplify effect) change their permittivity? (this is a little bit of a redundancy from the last post but oh well)

[SilverToGold]

This thread is hands down the best "free energy" thread I've ever read. Thanks to Armagdn03, Chris Carson, Peter Lindemann and Eric Dollard for it all!

I never forgot about what I learned from this insight as it's the only thread I've ever read on this forum that makes any real sense. I have done some calculations based on simple basic formulas for the capacitive variable generator and they say it works very well. The formulas/deductions are so simple, I believe even a high school freshman could understand it. Perhaps I'll send Eric my work and get his input... along with another modest donation that the man rightly deserves.

I believe what Eric is referring to below is Metglas. I ordered some a little while ago (10 lbs worth) that I can wind into a core and test when I get the chance. Been very busy into other research that is even more fundamental and important than "free energy".

Ferrite cores ultimately do not really work. Here is how I determined that: If I want to build a 60 cycle transformer to go from 240 volts to 4800 volts no problem. Now let's say I want to build a transformer with the same voltage ratio at 6 mega cycles, it ain't happening. What I determined through experiment is that ferrite can carry the self inductance but not the mutual inductance. The audio guys had similar complaints. The navy uses very very fine steel tape(insulated). It seems that its important that the iron have conductivity electrically in the same direction that it is carrying the magnetism inductively. In other words the core conductivity is at right angles to the winding conductivity. At any rate that's my theory and because of the ferrite I have accumulated quite a pile of transformers that don't work.

You guys are getting into rotating electrostatic generators with cathode ray excitation. (Post # 83 in this thread). Eric would like it if you could show pictures and diagrams of that stuff. You are starting to get into some slight similarities with what Tesla did. There's some stuff that ties to the old cathode ray theories of Crookes, implemented by Tesla. The cathode ray(beta particle) excites the machine. It turns the electron-volts into potential e(small e deliberately - see Eric Dollard thread on units) I find this quite interesting. And then I found the fluerescent lamp variable capacitor interesting and here's what else you can do: You can go to your local neon sign shop and often for free the guy will make a short 1 foot tube for you of any gas or arrangement you want. That's it.

[nueview]

hi guys
just wanted to post this vid it is about k capture and also goes to tesla's work.

Principle Physics 8. Electrostatic Force - YouTube

energy transfer is so cryptic in its own right here the negative is accumulated and not discharged.
Martin

[OrionLightShip]

I've been in a cave meditating the last twenty years. What the hell is a k photon?

Orion

hi guys
just wanted to post this vid it is about k capture and also goes to tesla's work.

Principle Physics 8. Electrostatic Force - YouTube

energy transfer is so cryptic in its own right here the negative is accumulated and not discharged.
Martin

[nueview]

I am no expert here but as i understand the k factor it is the dielectric capability of the virtual particle photon to carry a charge much as a capacitor carries a charge or breaks down.
without this there would be only the neutral state of energy.
Martin