Charge conserving Capacitive Spring.

[boguslaw]

What we really need is : create one big magnet ! dipole
Then load is a friction in the path of magnetic current flow.Like magnet attached to fridge

[7imix]

I have studied the device dollard is describing. Parametric variation in this case seems to be caused by the vibrator activating components in different arrangements at a certain frequency. So each time the vibrator makes or breaks a circuit, there is variation. The question is how exactly -- it's not immediately obvious to me how exactly the vibrator works. The left vibrator seems to have two positions, but the right one seems to have two positions plus the ability to be completely disconnected.

[7imix]

One thing I don't think many people get that Eric pointed out was that the unit for current (Ampere) and the unit for voltage (Volts) are not comparable in size. A fairer scale representation is that 1000V is more equivalent to 1A. So people aren't use to working with high voltages but ok with high amperages by scale.

I think we are seeing this with the capacitance variable machines vs inductive variance machines. People don't know exactly how to work with these high voltages.

Thanks for bringing this up. watts = volts * amps, but if the scales are off then perhaps it would make more sense to work with 100 times more volts but 100 times less amps. It is the same number of watts.

It can be difficult working with high voltages because there are few off the shelf components, and surplus places and other cheap parts sources often have only low voltage stuff.

With transistors this is especially noticeable. 500 volts is about the max. The faster the variation better, too, which is why spark gaps work so well, but other devices can be found. Sidacs, varistor, tvs diodes, microwave diodes, etc. We actually have an abundance of parts available, they just have to carefully be searched out. Don Smith's devices are good example of solid state high voltage devices.

The biggest problem, really, is high voltage capacitors.

[SilverToGold]

Too bad there is no activity on this thread. I looked a little into the magnetic device you outlined here and it is indeed very interesting.

I found out that this basic device as outlined in the Anderson patent below is actually in use and called a Flux Gate Magnetometer.



Being used as a magnetic sensor, it is more sensitive, more linear and more temperature stable than the typical Hall effect magnetometer.



Here is an interesting video on this device.

‪Flux Gate Magnetometer or Solid state Generator?‬‏ - YouTube

To quote from the guy in the video>

"The output Energy is entirely from the Magnets and does not abide by Faradays Law of Induction, (Faradays Equation predicts 3.45 and output was 8.56 v out). The Flux Gate Magnetometer is by far one of the most interesting devices I have worked on."

[Armagdn03]

Too bad there is no activity on this thread. I looked a little into the magnetic device you outlined here and it is indeed very interesting.

I found out that this basic device as outlined in the Anderson patent below is actually in use and called a Flux Gate Magnetometer.



Being used as a magnetic sensor, it is more sensitive, more linear and more temperature stable than the typical Hall effect magnetometer.



Here is an interesting video on this device.

‪Flux Gate Magnetometer or Solid state Generator?‬‏ - YouTube

To quote from the guy in the video>

"The output Energy is entirely from the Magnets and does not abide by Faradays Law of Induction, (Faradays Equation predicts 3.45 and output was 8.56 v out). The Flux Gate Magnetometer is by far one of the most interesting devices I have worked on."

wow man small world. When I was playing with that exact setup, this was the first thing I noticed. I had a large magnet, about the size of a VHS tape, and and noticed that I could approach from feet (5 or more) away and "detect" the magnetic field. If you use a half wave rectifier on the output you can even detect polarity of the magnet.

I have been moving and not able to do much, but this will change very shortly. Thanks for keeping interested. I still maintain that this is one of the realms people should be paying attention to. So many possibilities.

[SilverToGold]

Well, I guess great minds think alike huh?

You're right, this is an amazing little device. I'm building my own core out of magnetite/resin so I haven't done anything with this yet. Just finished making the mold as we speak. If the magnetite works as Peter says, that would make a great improvement on this device.

In the video, that guy was using a sine wave and was seeing a current increase as he placed the magnets into place. Usually these are driven by square waves so we can limit the power we use. A much better approach. I also bet he wasn't even working anywhere near resonance or tuned it.

In Naudin's coverage, I noticed he never talked about the COP. Kind of funny (seeing how much he devoted to this project in web space) but the only place he talked about it was when he was comparing the magnetization energy versus the demagnetization energy... BUT they are both the output power and supposedly independent of the input. So what was the point of that?

wow man small world. When I was playing with that exact setup, this was the first thing I noticed. I had a large magnet, about the size of a VHS tape, and and noticed that I could approach from feet (5 or more) away and "detect" the magnetic field. If you use a half wave rectifier on the output you can even detect polarity of the magnet.

I have been moving and not able to do much, but this will change very shortly. Thanks for keeping interested. I still maintain that this is one of the realms people should be paying attention to. So many possibilities.

[SilverToGold]

The problem is more in how people think, if I said 1 amp, people would be like "1 amp? Is that all??" But you start talking about say 300 V and people get scared. 300V is not even comparable to 1 amp really. Tesla coils are thousands of Volts and very little amperage usually. That is the realm of the dielectric versus the magnetic to butcher Eric's very concise delineation (sorry Eric).

Basically, you should learn how to make your own devices where you can't buy them.

Capacitors aren't a problem, if you've got the money, you can easily buy all the high voltage caps you want!

But try building a the high voltage variable capacitance device we're talking about here, you can't really just buy they regardless of how much money you have, you have to either build it yourself or pay someone else to make them for you. That's what I'm talking about.

Thanks for bringing this up. watts = volts * amps, but if the scales are off then perhaps it would make more sense to work with 100 times more volts but 100 times less amps. It is the same number of watts.

It can be difficult working with high voltages because there are few off the shelf components, and surplus places and other cheap parts sources often have only low voltage stuff.

With transistors this is especially noticeable. 500 volts is about the max. The faster the variation better, too, which is why spark gaps work so well, but other devices can be found. Sidacs, varistor, tvs diodes, microwave diodes, etc. We actually have an abundance of parts available, they just have to carefully be searched out. Don Smith's devices are good example of solid state high voltage devices.

The biggest problem, really, is high voltage capacitors.

[nueview]

just want to send this along.

‪Electrostatic Energy‬‏ - YouTube

‪Three Plate Capacitor‬‏ - YouTube

also i have some capacitive generators i have built as well and will post some pictures later.

i have not seen anyone here in the posts talk about locked charges yet so am assuming none of you have actually worked with these type of generators yet.
Martin

[Armagdn03]

i have not seen anyone here in the posts talk about locked charges yet so am assuming none of you have actually worked with these type of generators yet.
Martin

I definitely have! Things like this are considered with the time constant calculations. Relaxation time of dielectrics also plays a role in this.

My goal in this forum is to share concept.

[SilverToGold]

Thanks for the video's Martin, beautiful machine you built.

I haven't built any mechanical electrostatic machines, mostly I'm looking into doing "soild-state" implementations right now but may build a mechanical one in the future to study.

What locked charges? Thanks.

just want to send this along.

‪Electrostatic Energy‬‏ - YouTube

‪Three Plate Capacitor‬‏ - YouTube

also i have some capacitive generators i have built as well and will post some pictures later.

i have not seen anyone here in the posts talk about locked charges yet so am assuming none of you have actually worked with these type of generators yet.
Martin

[nueview]

if you have a highly insulated charge and in the case of the capacitive generators i made as long as the charge has somewhere to go it is transferred just fine but if the charge cannot move it will build tremendous tension and have had it stall a 3/4 hp motor dead in its tracks and shattered the generators drive shaft.
if any of you decide to work along these lines you will find allot of unusual effects i have been wanting to do a test with dielectrics and four plates and put a battery to two opposing plates and a meter to read current flow then connect a meter to the other two plates and move the dielectric from one set of plates to the next and see what occurs.
Martin

[nueview]

@ armagedon03
you have talked about charge and time constants but not actually locked charges that do not ever flow but merely influence charge effect in other structures it is difficult to explain for me but is a part of nature it has bothered me as to how to use this to any real benefit.
as the effects of it can cause the field to move and replicate a charge effect at a distance without an actual chare flow decreasing the overall power from any unit i have built and this is a problem it is often why capacitors will recharge after sitting for a period of time allowing the charge to come home.
i am sorry for the poor description but it is the best i can do right now.
Martin

[boguslaw]

nueview

What could you recommend for protecting capacitors from overcharge and explosion ? Something viable and highly protective, preventing circuit from running when protection device is broken.

[nueview]

@boguslaw
i have used back to back diodes allowing the reverse bias of one diode to set the upper limit for the charging.
i would like to say at this point that a capacitor charged with magnetic current such as from a battery does not seem to be the same as charge from a static electric machine which appears to be more pure potential .
it reacts differently thus the terms charge and current i have spent allot of time looking for a magnetic form electrostatics and in to end have not been able to varify it to any degree of success at all.
so you may want to stick with batteries at first for any testing but some things will be harder to see like locked charges effect as it is more a static reaction.
Martin

[SilverToGold]

Thanks, that sounds interesting but hard to really understand without a diagram to explain how that effect was seen.

How exactly is your capacitive generator configured to work? Is it the same type of generator as a variable capacitive generator that this thread is dedicated to? Or is it some other form of capacitive generator?

Looking at the capacitive generator you have in that video, it's not clear how it works or how it's wired. So I have no real idea what it really is.

I just have a hard time with vague statements that I can't visualize but thanks again for sharing.

if you have a highly insulated charge and in the case of the capacitive generators i made as long as the charge has somewhere to go it is transferred just fine but if the charge cannot move it will build tremendous tension and have had it stall a 3/4 hp motor dead in its tracks and shattered the generators drive shaft.
if any of you decide to work along these lines you will find allot of unusual effects i have been wanting to do a test with dielectrics and four plates and put a battery to two opposing plates and a meter to read current flow then connect a meter to the other two plates and move the dielectric from one set of plates to the next and see what occurs.
Martin