Don't Kill Dipole

[Farmhand]

Side effects, pre effects or co effects of lightning ?

Hehe, I know we've probably all seen this before, but in this slow motion lightning strike, (9000 frames in one second makes the vid) I see what looks like streamers appearing from nowhere and leaping into the lightning bolts themseves. I think even at 9000 frames per second because of the speed of the streamers is very fast, I think we actually see a blurred object or form of energy, because of it's speed it still appears to be a long "streamer" even when photographed with a shutterspeed that quick. I may be wrong but thats what I see I think.

YouTube - Slow Motion Video of a Multiple Tower Upward Lightning Flash on 6/16/10

It's probably nothing more than another demonstration of Awesomeness by Nature

[Farmhand]

Yes excelent.

Ether theory

Pretty much it, the pdf links to the right of the page my link leads you to are quite involved, and I have not personally read those PDF's, yet. You should get the picture.

Your views on this matter would be very welcome.

Regards

[quantumuppercut]

Interesting discussion. I am a college-trained electrical engineer (don't do it for a living and it was a long time ago), and I see a lot of misunderstanding on this thread, but I am intrigued. I watched all of the Egypt videos and I must say, there are indeed some mysteries that need to be investigated.

I too am a great fan of proving your concepts through demonstration of a device but I don't think anyone has built such a device based on my reading of this thread so far. As an "electrical guy" I would be willing to help build something that shows the concepts.

I guess my big question is where does the "external energy" come from? The first law of thermodynamics says that energy cannot be created or destroyed (assuming there is no conversion of energy to matter or vise-versa, ie. nuclear energy or fusion), so where is the source energy coming from?

I'm still working on the details of my conclusion but here is mine

http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/6440-my-article-free-energy-meyer-gray-puharich-explained.html#post111515

[Farmhand]

Hello vertuso, Welcome, The energy we seek to once again have full use of, comes from the "Active Vacuum" or the "Eather", I recommend reading at least the introduction of Aarons book "The Quantum Key" he explains it quite well, it's facinating stuff but it is difficult to visualise or explain. Thats a very good place to get a quick understanding.

Regards
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I can't find where I read Aarons basic explaination or theory of this. Or i would link it. About the Eather. Maybe he or someone else can help, he would be very busy himself.

[vertuso]

Interesting discussion. I am a college-trained electrical engineer (don't do it for a living and it was a long time ago), and I see a lot of misunderstanding on this thread, but I am intrigued. I watched all of the Egypt videos and I must say, there are indeed some mysteries that need to be investigated.

I too am a great fan of proving your concepts through demonstration of a device but I don't think anyone has built such a device based on my reading of this thread so far. As an "electrical guy" I would be willing to help build something that shows the concepts.

I guess my big question is where does the "external energy" come from? The first law of thermodynamics says that energy cannot be created or destroyed (assuming there is no conversion of energy to matter or vise-versa, ie. nuclear energy or fusion), so where is the source energy coming from?

[Jbignes5]

I guess the question is then?

Yes I will try determining the best conditions to achieve the effect..

here some of the background behind my theory

YouTube - electrostatic induction

Static electricity - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

What causes inductive charging. That is where my theory picks up. I believe if we know the mechanics of exchange of charge or induction then we can figure out anything in nature. We could even figure out anything that we could devise in our devices from this theory.

There has to be a conductor of potential then that is dielectric based. This allows the separation of potential and discharge conditions so that static electricity can be allowed to effect a movement but not discharge the source. This field that everyone talks about has to have a medium to move in. I believe Tesla was the first to discover that it was possible to move the medium in such a way that it could effect a precisely tuned unit to receive a surplus charge from that movement. The problem is that was the early discovery and as Tesla figured out one didn't need to broadcast this disruption of the medium. One only needed to disrupt it locally and receive it locally. He learned this shortly after Wardencliff and perfected it when he did the Pierce Arrow experiment. In other words he found the source of all movement in our space and also found a way to harness that most fundamental process to attract the energy to run his devices.

[Shamus]

Hi Corrie! I'm sure it would be no surprise to you that the research that we do is searching for that which is already known (re-search: literally, to search again). Even if those who are hiding this information keep tight wraps on it, it's all still in the collective unconscious and can probably be retrieved via TRV (technical remote viewing).

Sorry if this seems off-topic; I can't help but think that the technology that we are given is the oldest, most obsolete cast-offs from those who imagine themselves our masters. I have a gut feeling that most "impossible" things have already been done, and long, long ago at that.

[Aromaz]

The Impossible possible?

Two nights ago I had a strange dream about Magnetic Ice; remained persistant in my thoughts. Today first time on PC, googled it and lo-behold . . . Quite advanced but interesting this report about ice forming a monopole magnetic field . . .

Spin ice used to examine exotic properties of magnetic systems

[sebosfato]

I did many tests yesterday, i got up to 2 inches arcs with my hand made flyback...

No results yet..

However i had defined some start point...

I believe that what i want to achieve is a very dense electric field, this electric field must be very high without allowing arc... So i guess the only way to get a reasonable effect is using high voltage vacuum capacitors... maybe 55kv is enough...

i guess 2 would be enought...

now i still have to determine how much current can be developed by a certain electric field in a determined mass of wire... Is not as easy as i would like to..

However every moment is clearer to me why, tesla and others have used "spark gaps"...

Hope that any of you could help determining this parameters...

[sebosfato]

Yes I will try determining the best conditions to achieve the effect..

here some of the background behind my theory

YouTube - electrostatic induction

Static electricity - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[Jbignes5]

yes...

Hello guys

I kept thinking... and i guess something very interesting crossed my mind...

You are ahead of electrostatic induction, the ability of a charged rod to charge infinitely times an electroscope. It is like this because you don't transfer the charge you only use the electric field force (due to the density of charge in the rod) to push the electrons inside the conductor (electroscope)

Electric field depends on three things, specific capacitance of the rod, witch defines the density of charge per area, and the mass and material of the rod. Because this would define the amount of free electrons that can move or also maximum charge that the rod can have.

Now what if the electroscope was substituted by an inductor? Wouldn't this flow of electrons create energy by its free movement due to the force?

So an EMF is developed across the inductor... (important thing is the ratio of mass of wire to mass of the rod)

if there is a capacitor in parallel with this inductor an oscillation will be set.

Now if the inducing rod is also part of a resonant circuit having the same natural frequency of the induced, the charges (inducing) would induce energy in the tank for every cycle.

Even if is not very big amount of joules per cycle, you can make this cycles to become hundreds of thousands times in one second... And the energy lost would be that of the resistance of the wires dissipating heat because of the electrons flow.

Thus density of charges, doing work, or electric field doing work.

I think that is a matter of equating the mass of the rod to the mass of the induced (coil)

thus using electric field to induce magnetic field in an inductor by force acting on the free electrons of the wire thus not consuming energy.. (actually consuming but only the energy needed to place the force where you want to achieve the desired effect.


Basically not killing the dipole. Using the dipole not as a source of energy but as a source of force.

I guess might be the only way.

I'm thinking about if this would be possible using magnetic induction, however i'm not sure if is possible. If is the most advanced way would be to combine both the magnetic and electrostatic induction.

Tesla were ahead of this and he used the sky electrostatic field to sustain his oscillations, he knew that the only energy he needed to put in was that to oscillate the charges... Thats why he could transfer energy around the globe. was not about electromagnetic transmission, He created an oscillation on the sky so if you connect the right antenna and "radiant" "energy" charge collectors you could use the energy for free... as the energy from this electrostatic field on the sky come straight from the sun.

I will keep investigating.

I need to determine how much field and mass the rod might have to induce certain current, than i can provide a device design to prove the concept.

If any of you know how to determine the amount of charge that would flow inside a conductor due to electrostatic induction force, please help me. I believe it has to do with the resistivity of the material, its mass, the force, and the geometric configuration..

Thanks
Regards

Yes now all you need is well defined experiments. Make a goal and experiment twords that goal.

To answer you ultimate question about "Using the dipole not as a source of energy but as a source of force". "They are exactly the same thing!" A source of energy would or could be considered a source of force.

[lamare]

Hi lamare does it work on mac?

Don't know, but it does work under wine on Linux, so I guess it should also work under wine on an intel mac: Installing Wine on Mac OS X

If you're interested in simulating spark gap circuits, you may want to check my post here:

http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/3235-gray-tube-replication-70.html#post114254

I found an excellent book on Tesla coil design, which has a great chapter on spark gaps and the simulation thereof, along with excel worksheets and spice models for Micro-Cap. I have downloaded the latest version of MC, but it did not install under wine on my system. Version 9 may work, it is listed in the wine-app database. That one can be downloaded here: MICRO-CAP.CO.UK | About

[sebosfato]

electrostatic induction

Hi all,

You may be interested in the circuit I designed in LTSpice (can be downloaded at no cost):

http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/4999-joulethief-sec-exciter-variants-43.html#post114287

The circuit uses a modulated exciter circuit to drive two load coils into resonance. I had the idea to use an AV plug for that in my article, which did not work, because the diodes would short cut the transformer. So, I had to make some changes there.

Even though the circuit is not complete yet, it does work in the simulator. All that needs to be done is to close the feedback loop.

Hi lamare does it work on mac?

I was thinking that a couple of vacuum capacitors or spark gaps and air capacitors is going to be needed, to apply the force of the field on the other circuit...

I'm imagining something like two resonant tank circuits tuned to the same frequency having a electro and magnetic force coupling. The electro coupling might be the spark gap witch will actually not act as a spark gap but instead as an oscillating charging rod... that will induce the oscillation on the second circuit, without discharging to any degree. Its charge will resonate with a coil giving the ability to have a time constant, so the second circuit can be tuned into it.

I have to buy some copper bars when possible to make some tests...

I thought that meyer might have done the same thing but using water... He talked about tuning inductor, resonance, electron extraction circuit, and principal, voltage perform work. He also used different kinds of wires...

He also talked about the wires by pound weight...

[lamare]

Simulated exciter / Puharich combination

Hi all,

You may be interested in the circuit I designed in LTSpice (can be downloaded at no cost):

http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/4999-joulethief-sec-exciter-variants-43.html#post114287

The circuit uses a modulated exciter circuit to drive two load coils into resonance. I had the idea to use an AV plug for that in my article, which did not work, because the diodes would short cut the transformer. So, I had to make some changes there.

Even though the circuit is not complete yet, it does work in the simulator. All that needs to be done is to close the feedback loop.

[sucahyo]

What does we told about this ?

In my mind that could not work ?

I happen to have a diagram from people who do experiment on that, 5 = strongest effect:


No references for powering electrical load though.