Don't Kill Dipole

[Slovenia]

Thanks Rebus57!!!

Hi Rebus57,

Thanks for sharing your information with us. This is great stuff!!

Best Regards,
Slovenia

[Rebus57]

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PLEASE STOP THE BICKERING. I did not intend to debate the paperwork or where I saw it. The facts are that ALL things related to this stuff were purged from the system long ago. I have not in 10yrs playing around with this stuff heard of anyone going in my direction and just wanted to share it with all who might be working towards this device. As for a simple explination my posted theory is as simple as I could make it I thought. Let me try another way. During transmission from your local AM radio station the outgoing signal will "ring" the atmosphere around the transmission antenna and a signal opposite from the origional is generated and will continue to build until outgoing or transmitted signal is blocked completely. To counter this a circuit is between transmitter and antenna tuned to this opposite signal, this "waste" energy is bled to ground through a very expensive copper ground plane buried like a spider web around antenna site. This is what I am trying to achieve, pickup a signal (cosmic) have it generate the "waste" energy on the current collector rod, feed that through the output tubes firing them to get desired output frequency. The key to this is picking up and sorting out with a detector circuit our signal, which I am betting its below 200 HZ ELF and most likley will be found all over the universe. Now as for the prototype. I built a version of the Gray conversion element switching tube using spark plugs for my spark gap, a motorcycle ignition coil for my high voltage, a couple of triacs triggered by a 2 LED blinker cir. instead of blinking LED's it fired my triacs feeding 12 vdc+ to the coil. Spark plug wire from coil was connected to the anode of current collector tube and spark plug connected to 12 vdc+, with power for coil and spark plug both connected to 12 vdc+ the only thing connected to 12 vdc- was a 20 ga wire for blinky cir. and batt voltage stayed at 12.23 steady during operation. The plate for CC Tube was connected to the anodes of the output tubes and spark plugs also used as spark gaps they too were firing indicating power flow through CC Tube, at this point I have not realized to use resistors to split my output tube's voltage so no light bulbs were illuminated, but flow through cir was observed and that was good enough for me to move forward on this path. I knew this cir was not right for final design but worked to test the Gray tube operation. Finally I am trying to stay away from the words of big brother, R@#!^%& (pickup) and T%&*#@!^ (ringing or to ring) and A&%$##@ (current collector rod). Remember go easy on each other.

[Slovenia]

No Explanation Required

Hi Rebus57,

You don't have to prove anything to anyone here at Energetic. We are just very happy to have you here. We are extremely happy with whatever information you choose to share with us. Just ignore anyone who tries to put you on the spot. I will run interference for you.

Best Regards,
Slovenia

. I did not intend to debate the paperwork or where I saw it.

[Jbignes5]

All I did was ask for the reference. I asked for someone to point me in the direction you guys are looking. And there is nothing wrong with that.

I stated very clearly I was not trying to belittle anyone or introduce doubt.

Like I said I just have come to different conclusion.

http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/6521-dont-kill-dipole-5.html#post113013

I was afraid this would happen just from me asking. I have been reading the whole time but you have in your traditional style said all kinds of things about Tesla and energy. that I have no reference to further investigate. Pure imagination.
And in keeping, when confronted, you act like 12 year old girl worried about her looks. And read entirely too much into a few statements.

So I'll go away and continue to read whatever is posted hoping someone will add some facts or show some tests.

The reason I ask and want to further understand come from experiments with Earth batteries. I am finding some very peculiar results that may contribute. As yet I do not understand them, and thats why and am looking for the info to help fill in the missing pieces. But of course when I ask for reference YOU get offended and defensive.


Yes, you can. By allowing multiple points of view to merge with reference to anything that may pertain whether in theory or fact. Keep your eyes open, in other words.

Hopefully someone else may the cover what I am asking.

Matt

Ok just to point out what you did say...

" Some what is proposed is to far out there.
Some people float along in imagination when all the while there are practical examples and clues to what could really be happening. The pierce arrow is an example. There is no definitive information that state he was doing what most people imagine."

Also there is no proof that Tesla was stagnated into thinking the same after his ideas were rejected by greedy men. So your conclusion could be just as wrong or way out there as well. There is nothing in Tesla's order of experimentation that shows a pattern of rehashing old technologies. He was always looking for new ways to do what he deemed the goal. There is more proof that if it failed to complete he would approach the problem from a different view. He discovered a new way to him to interact with the environment like he did before with a twist. A new direction based off what he learned from the previous denial of his new system. Since he couldn't get the "man" of the day to free man from the shackles that he himself unleashed he felt it was his responsibility to fix that situation. He went deeper in his experiments to find a way to include both activator and collector of that activation in one unit so no one could control the process. But you have to go in order of everything he wrote about that hunt to figure out the direction he was going. Luckily he left a great many clue in all the publications he submitted to the public domain. These publications included magazine articles and even what we can find of his experimental journals. Even I being well versed in his publications am finding new sources to read his views everyday. So to say you have read just about everything about his recorded history is a little over the top of a statement.

And then you say this? "you act like 12 year old girl worried about her looks. And read entirely too much into a few statements." No one is reading anything into your statements you are posting clearly insultive posts for nothing but your own amusement. I do take this as an issue that needs a response. Like I said you are welcome here but you need to have the decency to allow others to think outside of the box of our current system. We have no other direction to go because out of all the 100 or so years that our current system can not explain and if they can they need to create math to explain it. If after all that time we still can not use energy the way we should be able to then our current system is flawed.

We have nothing but imagination Mathew at this point. You got to understand the scale at which we base this info on. Thats the smallest we could ever imagine. We will never be able to see this scale and that takes inferences from what we can see in nature. It has patterns and real effects on the largest scales and this is what we are basing this new area on.

As to facts about what we are basing this on we have posted very clearly what we have based this on. This really isn't about the Tesla box per say. That is the evidence that there is energy everywhere and if you devise a method to attract that energy you can tap the vehicle that nature uses to run everything without damaging the whole process.

You are most welcome here Mathew as long as you can see with open eyes and actually read what we post here. If you have you would have seen the connections just like everyone else. That was and is the theory mode and now we are looking to prove this through our experiments. We do have to devise experiments to show that proof and that is the step we are on now. If you would like to join us to give us a pragmatic side to the equation that would be acceptable but don't tell people it is only in their imagination. We could say the same for half of what is in our current system that has to specialize in one area and not be held to the whole system that is in place in order to work.

We assume that we push current and that is furthest from the truth if you follow that energy(charges) are every where. If we provide a potential there has to be something real to provide the transform into the real. Since there is such a thing as static electricity it must mean that the nearest companion effect is either based or constituting this effect as a component. Statics are the potential. We have a great many devices that were explored before electricity including way into our past that our archeologists are finding the proof recently.

In our vanity we are thinking we are the first to have an advanced civilization on this planet and now that is becoming a false conclusion.

[Matthew Jones]

PLEASE STOP THE BICKERING. Remember go easy on each other.

Thats what I was looking for experimental theory or proof. Thats pretty good reference and I appreciate the share.

I appreciate the pics and schematics as well thanks Slovenia for posting them.

The key to this is picking up and sorting out with a detector circuit our signal, which I am betting its below 200 HZ ELF and most likley will be found all over the universe.

There is some activity that is interesting below this level.

Thanks again
Matt

[dragon]

Very enlightening Rebus57, thanks so much for sharing. I'm far from completely understanding your schematic, the part that stood out right away was the fact you are only changing potential through the load by the voltage needed to run the load. I've been thinking all wrong - I've been trying to convert the HV to LV when in fact I only need to alter the potential between them.
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[Jbignes5]

The only problem I see with this take on it is this.

Although you will be able to see the effect I believe that keeping the oscillating source away from the load would be the best choice. This allows you to not worry about depleting the source of what it needs to operate on. If you convert down through a transformer it allows the source to continue unimpeded while inducing movement through the transformer to use at the current operating requirements of our machines.

I believe the approach that Rebus57 has shown is very valid but I think it would be very subjective to the receiving antenna orientation and weather it has a clear connection to that source. If we provide a source that we can control we can use the same method to create a flow that is tailored to our needs.

I have to agree that Rebus's attempt has merit and could be used to figure this out in a more passive attempt but it would allow only a slight portion of the available gain from this method. Also Tesla warned that low pulsations of this impulse technology is not beneficial to mankind. It's does get better the higher you go and at about 20k hz the effects are minute and in fact beneficial to mankind and the environment. It also increases the separation for direct shorts in the device as well. I would hate to see a device lock into a short condition. We have no way to tell what would happen if anything at all. So just be careful in designing a device. Always try to find a way to stop the process in the event of a failure of the device due to shorts.

[boguslaw]

About splitting the positive. I don't want to discourage you but I think that tip was a sole Gray "invention" and means no more then "have two wires connected from positive of DC source to the "magic" switching device"


Things are simpler then we imagine

[Jbignes5]

So simple....

Splitting the positive is what they coined it. Tesla never made that stipulation. He did use only one half of the components of electricity and then made a way for nature to provide the balance to his load in real power because thats where all free flowing charges or energy exists. Matter tends to lock in the network that charges flow around. This is how matter transforms these charges to an active force. It also includes radiative effects in this process along with conductive forces that bring organization to the free charges or energy.

You got to remember that Tesla was originally well versed in Crookes radiant matter. And I bet he finally made the connection that matter is only a locked in channel to provide a less resistant connection to complete a cycle. As Tesla was figuring out that even air could be organized to conduct through and as he stated the air would become rigid and organized. The facts are there but if you don not go down the same road as Tesla then you miss the whole point to his experiments and consequently his patents.

References:

"Experiments with Alternate Currents of Very High Frequency and Their Application to Methods of Artificial Illumination"

"Experiments with Alternate Currents of High Potential and High Frequency"

"On Light and Other High Frequency Phenomena"

Please read these fully. Read them often and see that Crookes is mentioned as being the basis of his discoveries. Static electricity is also mentioned fully.

Tesla's observation are the main factor in my presentation. Why because he did experiments that provided the proof. Then he took those observations and designed further experiments to build off of. He was by no means perfect and he clearly states this. His earlier attempts at producing a workable system were just that. Errors in judgement both of the people he was working with like J.P. Morgan and with the devices he created based on incomplete methods. That is after all what his AC system was, an incomplete method to utilize this oscillating potential. He even goes to great lengths to further modify those inconsistencies into a better understanding of the process behind all matter and energy influences both on matter and the medium to which they can freely flow.

We on the other hand chose to ignore these findings and pushed him back into obscurity as far fetched or purely imaginative when he had solid proof to the contrary. I am by no means comparing myself to this great man but isn't that kinda whats going on here lately to discredit my findings as well?

[Slovenia]

Help us connect all the dots.

Hey Boguslaw.

About splitting the positive. I don't want to discourage you but I think that tip was a sole Gray "invention" and means no more then "have two wires connected from positive of DC source to the "magic" switching device"


Things are simpler then we imagine

[Slovenia]

Thanks Rebus57

Hi Rebus57,

Thanks for the additional information on your device.

Best Regards,
Slovenia

PLEASE STOP THE BICKERING. I did not intend to debate the paperwork or where I saw it. The facts are that ALL things related to this stuff were purged from the system long ago. I have not in 10yrs playing around with this stuff heard of anyone going in my direction and just wanted to share it with all who might be working towards this device. As for a simple explination my posted theory is as simple as I could make it I thought. Let me try another way. During transmission from your local AM radio station the outgoing signal will "ring" the atmosphere around the transmission antenna and a signal opposite from the origional is generated and will continue to build until outgoing or transmitted signal is blocked completely. To counter this a circuit is between transmitter and antenna tuned to this opposite signal, this "waste" energy is bled to ground through a very expensive copper ground plane buried like a spider web around antenna site. This is what I am trying to achieve, pickup a signal (cosmic) have it generate the "waste" energy on the current collector rod, feed that through the output tubes firing them to get desired output frequency. The key to this is picking up and sorting out with a detector circuit our signal, which I am betting its below 200 HZ ELF and most likley will be found all over the universe. Now as for the prototype. I built a version of the Gray conversion element switching tube using spark plugs for my spark gap, a motorcycle ignition coil for my high voltage, a couple of triacs triggered by a 2 LED blinker cir. instead of blinking LED's it fired my triacs feeding 12 vdc+ to the coil. Spark plug wire from coil was connected to the anode of current collector tube and spark plug connected to 12 vdc+, with power for coil and spark plug both connected to 12 vdc+ the only thing connected to 12 vdc- was a 20 ga wire for blinky cir. and batt voltage stayed at 12.23 steady during operation. The plate for CC Tube was connected to the anodes of the output tubes and spark plugs also used as spark gaps they too were firing indicating power flow through CC Tube, at this point I have not realized to use resistors to split my output tube's voltage so no light bulbs were illuminated, but flow through cir was observed and that was good enough for me to move forward on this path. I knew this cir was not right for final design but worked to test the Gray tube operation. Finally I am trying to stay away from the words of big brother, R@#!^%& (pickup) and T%&*#@!^ (ringing or to ring) and A&%$##@ (current collector rod). Remember go easy on each other.

[dragon]

Once again I must reviel my ignorance in order to remove it... Could someone explain the "current collector tube" in Rebus57's schematic. Or send me to a link that explains it's function as well as it's construction and/or it's modern equivilant? Thanks so much...
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[Jbignes5]

hmm..

Once again I must reviel my ignorance in order to remove it... Could someone explain the "current collector tube" in Rebus57's schematic. Or send me to a link that explains it's function as well as it's construction and/or it's modern equivilant? Thanks so much...

If you ask me this is the real split the positive action. The tube lets the potential build on the the electrode. And of course this attracts the charges through the antenna in or in of the tube. I believe the source should be dioded so as to let the potential but not let the completion of the charges through the electrode. Then the charges have no where to go but out the charge path. It is the classic three point that gray used but in the right method. Others have tried it but seemed to have gotten it wrong.

[dragon]

I noticed this morning they are explained in his other drawing. I spent so much time looking over the schematic I ignored the other photo with the explanation of the tubes. Anyone have a photo shop program that could clear up the descriptions. I'm having a difficult time trying to decifer the words and letters from the background.
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[Slovenia]

photoshop

Hi Dragon,

I've photoshopped the pics you are asking about. I can see most of the words much clearer now. Some of the handwriting is harder to decipher. PM me your e-mail address and I'll send you all my photoshopped pics. I have quite a few of them for each of the two pictures we were given, so I don't want to clutter up the thread. Thanks.

Best Regards,
Slovenia

I noticed this morning they are explained in his other drawing. I spent so much time looking over the schematic I ignored the other photo with the explanation of the tubes. Anyone have a photo shop program that could clear up the descriptions. I'm having a difficult time trying to decifer the words and letters from the background.