Don't Kill Dipole

[Rebus57]

[Slovenia]

Welcome Daniel to Energetic Forum (Rebus57 Tesla Poster on Lets Roll Forum Site)

Hi Daniel,

Thanks for visiting our thread on Energetic Forum. We have some guys here who would like to chat with you. I posted a link to your Pierce Arrow article on Letsroll forum the other day and everyone was very excited about the information you shared and your ideas. Anyway, Jbignes5 is one of our resident Tesla guys, and he'd like to chat with you about Tesla stuff.

Best Regards,
Slovenia

[Slovenia]

You Schematic and Drawing

Hi Daniel,

Send your schematic drawing to me at the e-mail address I contacted you from before and I'll put them up here at Energetic. Thanks.

Best Regards,
Slovenia

My internet savy, not so good and I am having NO success trying to copy my schematic and drawing here for ya'll to ponder but fear not I will be successful, someday.

[Slovenia]

Great Savy (Tesla Pierce Arrow Info)

Daniel / Rebus57,

I've been studying your post very well and it is apparent you have great savy on this subject. I am very excited to have you here helping us.

Best Regards,
Slovenia

[Jbignes5]

Yes Welcome!

Rebus57,

I too have known that he used tubes. The reason is that you can influence high voltages in a triode setup. If you use a diode tube in between the hv source and the triode it allows the presence of hv without shorting out the source.

You went the other way with the steel rods he inserted in the box. I think they were antennas of the same mass as the larger antenna that was on the bumper. This was a focusing event to both raise the voltage value at the smaller antennas and to attract the charges that Tesla knew was outside circulating in the cycle they were caught in.

I suspect he went back to the days of his Niagra falls experience. Except in this instance he had to create a cycle that would be harmless to everything but still useful. Since duplicating his experiment would be a guess at best I started to think about how we could do the same without having to duplicate his box part for part.

This is what brought me to statics and since Tesla in the end of his life believed this was the way and that it had merit it dawned on me that this could have been the method he used.

Right now we are down to a source supply. A dual variable capacitor to get an oscillating flow and a transformer to convert the voltage down to sane levels to connect to the load. Since the static machine would not exhibit load slow down when you draw huge amounts from the Wimhurst machine or the likes then we should be able to get a decent supply out of it with little input. Coupled with my antenna system to draw in more free charges from the environment this should be quite the system.

Experimentation is the key here.

You are just about where I was last year in figuring out what Tesla did. I welcome any input and I hope you are also as open about our ides too..

[Armagdn03]

Jbigness, you mentioned the wimhurst generator as being better than the van de graaff. How large a unit would you need to produce a reasonable amount of output? Construction of a van de graaff would be considerably easier even if the rollers and belt needed to be larger. It seems like the input power requirement would be considerably less with the wimhurst. But... on the other end of the HV requirement if a simple kacher could be made up to do the same thing, where, it may be more advantageous to use a solid state set up... The rotating variable cap doesn't seem like a major problem in construction depending on the amount of capacitance needed. ( total number of plates ).

Just thinking ahead a bit for the next project linking to the dipole thread....

@ Dragon, I would not normally suggest this, but as you are an EXCELLENT craftsman, you should consider building this device, as it is brilliantly simple, and construction would not be hard either, and made well could be very effective.

Lorente's Electrostatic Generator, US Patented

[dragon]

Thanks Armagdn03 ! It does look very simple to construct. I'll start looking for some roller materials ! Great find !
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[Jbignes5]

To answer your earlier question about what the small Wimhurst generator..

If you read the text of the patent it tells you the best voltage potential that a 2-3 inch etched printed circuit board conductor was 6k volts. I am thinking that multiple units in a row can increase that slightly. It says that size can be adjusted and the rate flies up as the size does. Pretty impressive from a small unit like that.
The drive mechanism is weird and could have a solenoid driver for that in pulse mode or even a straight drive mechanism if we could figure out how to keep a vacuum on it to improve the capabilities of the source. We could use one for each side of the variable caps to increase the flow power I am thinking. This would allow more punch from side to side. Kinda how they use in audio amps situations. Home made leyden jars would be the best option there and could even use cheap oil as the dielectric to increase the capacity of the leyden jars.

I was also thinking how we could design the vacuum systems and we could do it in a multiple layout. A vacuum system would need an in and an out right. On the in would be the vacuum and the out could couple to a tesla turbine to extract mechanical rotation to drive the static generator and variable capacitor setup.

I think we would need a small motor to start the process and can be used like a starter on a car but we could also turn it from active mode to passive to generate more if need be.

Let me know how that sounds and if I didn't include anything you might have thought about?

[dragon]

I haven't read through that patent - admittedly only looked at it's construction. It appeared to have a "thumb" drive like the geared flashlights which might be better served using standard gearing for constant speed. I need to read more on the wimhurst to get a better understanding of it... it looks like a fairly complicated design. The roller unit that Armegdn03 posted is elegantly simple if it works as stated.

The vacuum system driving a tesla turbine sounds like it would require quite a bit of energy depending on the volumn of air required to run it, I haven't played with one so I really don't know how efficient they are or what it takes to run one.

I've used a magnetic drive on a sealed pressurized stirling engine. This requires no seals as there are no output shafts, it's simply coupled to the output via magnetic coupling. Adds a little to the cost overall but it could remove the need for a continuous vacuum supply. If the input requirement to turn the static generator and the variable capacitor was low enough a tiny motor could be used.... I fear that may not be the case though... I don't know how much force is required to move the charged plates in and out of position. One step at a time I guess -

I finished the outer copper capacitor on the pyramid. It came in at 800 pf with a Q of around 98 which was surprising. I haven't been able to measure anything useful from it as it sits, it does work nicely as an antenna. I connected it as a top load on a kacher which worked quite well. Connected to an antenna wire the scope shows about 3 volts rms with a 10-15 volt p-p and it will light an LED on the exposed copper. Fun little project that should be fun to play with between projects....
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[Slovenia]

Very Cool Tesla Link

Great Tesla Link:
Nikola Tesla - the man who electrified the world!!

[Matthew Jones]

I don't want to start a fight or anything cause I know alot of you have spent lots of hours imagining, theorizing and hopefully testing what this mysterious black box was.
The one thing I have never read is the simplest answer for what it really was or might have been based on what we know he did. A wireless electrical receiver.
We know he broadcast electricity in some form or another.

Using Occam's razor that would be the simplest explanation. He was broadcasting the energy he used in the car. He did it before in Aspen.

The receiver was a way of converting a high frequency transmission back to usable current. Maybe even grabbing extra energy from the RF bandwidth or above. A super crystal radio if you will.

So I guess what I am trying to find out is what specific article or patent has led you guys to believe that for some reason Tesla pulled this power out of the air or active environment without first generating it?

I have read most what has been written on him. Probably most of his patents. Nothing I have seen could lead me to believe other wise.

And you got to consider even broadcasting a generated signal and recombining it into use able current is still a pretty fantastic thing and I know of experiments that say that is possible.

Anyway I hope someone can give a rational, simple, fact filled, answer.

Matt

[Slovenia]

Tesla Car Post

Hi Matthew,

The purpose of this thread is to get Tesla free energy generation up and running and to help get us all off grid. I brought the Tesla car post link into play because I could tell the author of the article was quite astute in Tesla Tech. I was looking for new blood to help us in our quest. So, I'm not concerned about what methodology Tesla used to operate his Pierce Arrow. We do have some really sharp Tesla guys on this thread working at trying to come up with some circuits we can build as we try to get this show on the road. I'm hoping our new Tesla guy who posted the Pierce Arrow article will come back to Energetic Forum and help us. I do have a fellow here on site that will probably address your question but, I wanted you to understand why we got a little off track with the Pierce Arrow scenario. I was just looking for a new Tesla guy to help us.

Thanks for your interest in our thread.

Best Regards,
Slovenia

I don't want to start a fight or anything cause I know alot of you have spent lots of hours imagining, theorizing and hopefully testing what this mysterious black box was.

Anyway I hope someone can give a rational, simple, fact filled, answer.

Matt

[Matthew Jones]

No I understand. And I don't want to impose doubt. Or belittle anything.
I just try to think of things in simpler terms. Some what is proposed is to far out there.
Some people float along in imagination when all the while there are practical examples and clues to what could really be happening. The pierce arrow is an example. There is no definitive information that state he was doing what most people imagine.
There is on the other quite a bit evidence to conclude he could have been generating and processing the signal. This was a big bases for his work.

And even if we take into account Moray there is no definitive for saying they tapped a field of energy. Moray could have very well been generating his energy through a galvanic type response from the materials in his tubes. The whole process cold have possibly been triggered by naturally occurring frequencies.

If you look Floyd Sweet's work with Barium this is the case. He induced an oscillating magnetic field with frequency of energy feed to the cast barium magnet. And this very same process is in use today in the mainstream. Not at the same scale but...

https://www.htw-saarland.de/fut/fue-berichte/memory-motors_ostovic_2002.pdf

Either way I am just trying to find out if I am missing something or not. I just don't seem to come to the same conclusions.

And I hope something comes along that changes that.

Matt

[Jbignes5]

What Mathew does...

This is a clear example of what Mathew does.

My one question to Mathew would be this: How are we to get to the bottom of anything if we do not look in even the craziest of places. If we are always looking to what we know do we ever go anywhere new with it?

So you think that Tesla stayed with the transmission effect he found? Even after his big tower got tanked? After J.P Morgan pulled the funding and tower because of what Tesla was trying to do...

Tesla knew one thing after that. No one would fund a project like that again. So in order to still work on the experiments he retooled and after a while he devised a new way to broadcast while costing near nothing to do so and receive in the local environment of the unit a special kind of flow that was created by the broadcast he setup in the very same unit. He did both in the same unit. In fact if you read back in the earlier posts you will see that there is a few posts by me that shows that Tesla moved onto experimenting with static machines. Now I am guessing you are saying why... Hmmm does Crooks sound familiar. He went back to his mentors roots and figured that was the only way to get what he needed.

Now you can come here and apologize then say put up your proof only so you can see the way. Well that is not gonna happen beyond what we have done already or as we experiment and report our findings. You want to find out how he did it then maybe you should change your approach and stop belittling everyone that is trying to go a different route then what you think you know as truth. Just because someone says there is an electron does not mean there is. There is zero proof there is one yet everything based on electronics and electricity says there is????

Now if you want to come and join us, there is room but please stop knocking others attempts to explain this concept and how they see it operating. It goes against what this forum is about and what our thread here is trying to formulate for a new kind of natural science.

[Matthew Jones]

All I did was ask for the reference. I asked for someone to point me in the direction you guys are looking. And there is nothing wrong with that.

I stated very clearly I was not trying to belittle anyone or introduce doubt.

Like I said I just have come to different conclusion.

MISLED! We are too arrogant to admit that we could have been wrong this whole time.

http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...tml#post113013

I was afraid this would happen just from me asking. I have been reading the whole time but you have in your traditional style said all kinds of things about Tesla and energy. that I have no reference to further investigate. Pure imagination.
And in keeping, when confronted, you act like 12 year old girl worried about her looks. And read entirely too much into a few statements.

So I'll go away and continue to read whatever is posted hoping someone will add some facts or show some tests.

The reason I ask and want to further understand come from experiments with Earth batteries. I am finding some very peculiar results that may contribute. As yet I do not understand them, and thats why and am looking for the info to help fill in the missing pieces. But of course when I ask for reference YOU get offended and defensive.

My one question to Mathew would be this: How are we to get to the bottom of anything if we do not look in even the craziest of places. If we are always looking to what we know do we ever go anywhere new with it?

Yes, you can. By allowing multiple points of view to merge with reference to anything that may pertain whether in theory or fact. Keep your eyes open, in other words.

Hopefully someone else may the cover what I am asking.

Matt