Stingo Solid State Battery Charger

[sucahyo]

Problem is, you need to have a load hooked up to the output to measure that (with meter leads in series) and the minute you do so, you'll change everything...wave shape...frequency...output characteristics...required power input?...But please do give it a go.

Agree. I found neon bulb as load is better than none.

Take it from me, a long term insomniac, I get real results with the radiant negative connected only to the bed frame...dramatically deeper rest.

I don't know if this is the best place to post this, but since you mention it, me and my wife have been napping with the Stingo sleeper to recover right after sessions with the Hulda Clark zapper.

If I leave the water, that is connected to the radiant positive, too long before emptying it out and replacing it with fresh tap water, the effect is to feel increasingly agitated, rather than restful. So, IMO, the water does act as a DOR trap/sink.

- Godfrey

Thanks for very usefull info .

I will make sure to keep close attention to the water "DOR saturation". I wonder if we can also do that during battery charging too. Kevin mention he reach SSG COP>1 by connecting earth ground to charged positive. Maybe ungrounded water can do similar...


BTW, 1:1 toroid experiment failed. I can not force two stingo using same core to run at the same time even if it is connected to different source.

Powering the secondary will stop the oscillation on any direction.

I also notice that shorting the secondary will stop the oscillation.

[cikljamas]

You use 12V source to charge 4.5V? Do that cellphone charger transformer have secondary?
.

Yes, they have secondary, but i noticed that i get same result
(proportion between input/output mA) with or without shortened
secondary...So i thought you short secondary just for the security
reasons...I dont know what difference does make implementation
of american transformer with stingo comparing european transformer,
i mean you have 120/12 V, and we (european standard) have 220/12 V ???

Kevin mention he reach SSG COP>1 by connecting earth ground to charged positive.

What ssg are you talking about ? Stingo or Bedini or something else or
it does not make any difference ? Earth ground to charged positive ?
Could you explain that a little bit ?

[sucahyo]

Yes, they have secondary, but i noticed that i get same result (proportion between input/output mA) with or without shortened
secondary ...So i thought you short secondary just for the security
reasons...

Yes. my suggestion is not related to COP. But I will try both, open or shorted no each implementation.

I dont know what difference does make implementation of american transformer with stingo comparing european transformer, i mean you have 120/12 V, and we (european standard) have 220/12 V ???

I use 240V/24V. But I post it not as requirement. But that coil happen to work best for me previously. Now I suggest toroid winding.

What ssg are you talking about ? Stingo or Bedini or something else or it does not make any difference ? Earth ground to charged positive ? Could you explain that a little bit ?

Maybe the wheel SSG one.

More here:

EARTH -----> ROD -----> DIODE -----> POSITIVE ON CHARGING BATTERY

With the ground rod, the one that we have put to the + on the charging battery isn't really a "ground" since it has a diode so the positive potential moves from the rod to the charging battery.

On some of John's diagrams, he shows a real earth ground...neg of input battery to a literal earth ground.

I don't think it will produce measureable current but some believe it can accelerate charging.

Anyone notice measureable output increase if you touch PNP base of stingo?

[Jiffycoil]

Bets setup to build.

I would like to take the Stingo off the bread board. I would like to hard build a Stingo and was wondering what setup you would recommend? Is there a setup NPN PNP etc that you favor over another?

[sucahyo]

I would like to take the Stingo off the bread board. I would like to hard build a Stingo and was wondering what setup you would recommend? Is there a setup NPN PNP etc that you favor over another?

I use only TIP32C for PNP now and my best result for NPN is with KSC5027, 3055 only as last option. TIP31C die reather quick playing with spark

Maybe just imagining things, but I found that direct inter component soldering give better result than wiring it.

[Jiffycoil]

@Sucahyo
Thank you sir. I'm going to build it in the next few days. I look forward to trying to replicate your results.

[cikljamas]

I use 240V/24V. But I post it not as requirement. But that coil happen to work best for me previously. Now I suggest toroid winding.

Do you suggest Bob Boyce toroid winding too ?

I don't think it will produce measureable current but some believe it can accelerate charging.

Anyone notice measureable output increase if you touch PNP base of stingo?

I did not, but i hope i will if i try...Interesting suggestion, thanks!

Maybe the wheel SSG one.

Thanks for picture, but it would be better solution if you could find
bigger one

[skaght]

First attempt with stingo...

I just started playing with the stingo and got it to work with a 3906 PNP and a C6081 NPN. It worked with a single 1.5 volt battery. I tried to take it up to twelve volts by putting three 3906's in parallel (which still worked at 1.5 volts) but it didn't oscillate and the PNPs get VERY hot very quickly. The only reason I used those transistors is because I had them on hand. I used an ignition coil and also tried a couple air core coils that I had from my Slayer exciter and they all seemed to work fine.

[skaght]

Oh, and I did have to raise the base resistor from the 10k pot up to 47k ohms to get it to oscillate...

[cikljamas]

Oh, and I did have to raise the base resistor from the 10k pot up to 47k ohms to get it to oscillate...

I did the same thing, but it probably differ depending of kind of
transistors that you use...

[sucahyo]

Thank you sir. I'm going to build it in the next few days. I look forward to trying to replicate your results.

Ok . Look forward for the result .

Do you suggest Bob Boyce toroid winding too ?

If anyone can try it. It is a lot more demanding to build. Bob Boyce use military spec wire that even wire twist is not allowed. The toroid is also hard to get, Micrometals T650-52.

See panacea document about electrolysis.

I just started playing with the stingo and got it to work with a 3906 PNP and a C6081 NPN. It worked with a single 1.5 volt battery.

Great and thank you . The reason I search 1.5V transistor is to try to modify my son toy with stingo motor. To see if the toy can really run faster and to prevent my son running around chasing it if they get out of track. With stingo the toy would stop after the first hit . And to run it again we just need to push it, no need for switch .

I will try to find those transistor here .

I tried to take it up to twelve volts by putting three 3906's in parallel (which still worked at 1.5 volts) but it didn't oscillate and the PNPs get VERY hot very quickly.

Add 100 ohm to PNP base. I recall that we need to add 10 ohm resistor to parallel NPN, to allow them switch at the same time. But paralleling transistor is usually done to reduce amp that flow to each one, not to increase voltage.

[Godfrey]

Drats...Coiled again!

In the time I could spare lately, I chose lab over gab to get some things done. I'm glad to see the lively post activity, since my last. I'll need to catch up in increments as time allows.

I also notice that shorting the secondary will stop the oscillation.

Hee, heee, heeee…like I've been saying all along?

…But that coil happen to work best for me previously. Now I suggest toroid winding.

Ok…so needing a break from fighting with the quirks of multi-coil transformers anyways, I decided to engage in a form of self torture well known to Cikljamas, toroid coil winding.

Here is my 'doughnut' coil, too fat to be called a toroid anymore:



The other thingy is a 9-inch weaving shuttle, which I fashioned from plastic fork handles and I pre-wound my 40 feet of 22 gua. magnet coil on.

I'm calling it 'Coily' after the quality TV programming I found most comforting during my 'tORoiDEAL…nyuck…nyuck! The shuttle's showing the 7 feet or so of wire wrapped around it, which was left when I just got tired of 'winding', given I chose this project to 'unwind' to after a long work shift...but could've probably put the 'whole' 40 feet on before I totally ran out of 'hole' to thread it through…puns intended!

So the finished coil has about 33 feet of 22 gua. wire. Only a sadist would ask me how many turns I counted. Near the end, I wasn't 'counting', but 'cussing', as predicted. And all woundup, Coily measures about 2 ohms.

The shuttle did help speed things up for the first couple layers. Then it started crushing as I threaded it through. Finally I had to take the wire off, and continued running the folded bundle through it, which had first been formed on the shuttle. The last 7 feet would only have gone through if I had been willing to straighten it all out and slide it through singly.

After all my efforts, Coily lit up a neon to a respectable level and oscillated optimally at between 800 - 900 Hz:



It did not light a CFL, which my car coil can do.

…Just to show that neon can lit purple:
YouTube - Purple flashing show off

I'm still seeking the purple neon experience, Sucahyo, or more practically, a fully lit CFL…where am I failing?

That look like a half dead transistor for me. I replace transistor if I experience that.

I haven't given up on Coily yet, so today as we speak, I'm in the middle of changing out my transistors for two fresh ones and then will test the old ones on my meter.

I use only TIP32C for PNP now and my best result for NPN is with KSC5027, 3055 only as last option. TIP31C die reather quick playing with spark

Are you saying that your best performing transistor pair is TIP32C/ KSC5027?

Why is a TIP3055 your last choice?

- Godfrey

[7imix]

Godfrey, thanks for the inspiration to use a weaving shuttle.

I wound a toroid to try the other day.



It's 32 awg magnet wire. I only did one layer, but now I'm thinking I should do as many layers as I can fit in there, after seeing Godfrey's toroid.

I couldn't get it to oscillate with my fan motor stingo. I think I'll put more layers on it and try again.

Currently the coil is 2 ohm and 124uH.

[sucahyo]

Hee, heee, heeee…like I've been saying all along?

yes, it seems if the voltage multiplication is not high, it won't oscillate. The circuit also refuse to oscillate if I connect the other coil to something else.

Here is my 'doughnut' coil, too fat to be called a toroid anymore:

I have a coil that is too fat that the middle hole is closed, I have to wound the rest of the wire over the toroid lol, it still work great though.

The other thingy is a 9-inch weaving shuttle, which I fashioned from plastic fork handles and I pre-wound my 40 feet of 22 gua. magnet coil on.

nice . I usually let the wire form a U on my right side, and then slide it to the left and still keeping it straight, after wound, I put it on the right side again.

After all my efforts, Coily lit up a neon to a respectable level and oscillated optimally at between 800 - 900 Hz:

The hard work worth it .

I'm still seeking the purple neon experience, Sucahyo, or more practically, a fully lit CFL…where am I failing?

I think we can only achieve really purple neon with mechanical switching. Or maybe by switching a live circuit or something. I forgot how now. I use my modified MJT before....

For CFL, the voltage multiplication factor is critical it seems. We can not have too low or too high ratio.

Are you saying that your best performing transistor pair is TIP32C/ KSC5027?

Yes. my best.

Why is a TIP3055 your last choice?

Because I usually have almost twice higher voltage result from any transistor I scrapped from broken computer power supply.

It's 32 awg magnet wire. I only did one layer, but now I'm thinking I should do as many layers as I can fit in there, after seeing Godfrey's toroid.

My 1:1 coil produce less bright neon in series. I think impedance matter and there is minimum wound too.

[sucahyo]

Touchy stingo

Anyone experience touchy stingo yet?

I have to touch the radiant positive part to lit the neon.
YouTube - Need touch to lit the neon of stingo circuit

3V stingo with PSU toroid. The consumption drop after the neon lit because stingo reduce consumption on load. Dead neon = not a load.

I currently play with this, dash blue line indicating what I imagine how the radiant go. The radiant will prefer going re circle to the power coil it seems than charging the source battery:


Or self charging can work if we add another switch on top of power coil?