Kapagen Systems - 12v Input Only

[patmac]

If the Kapagen & Kapanadze is so dangerous then everybody should be put theirs Microwave, CRT TV's and others on the trash. And Hey!!! Carefull with your Car can explode use Gasoline.

[vidbid]

For the Record.

Well done for finding that!

Did you find it on this link which i have already posted in the main kapagen thread (before i was asked to leave by a somewhat unfriendly poster)...??

POST 67.

low wattage input - this is real simple to do if you (like me) consider playing with a deadly MOT too risky (hey...i have kids running round the place. if i was still young and sinlge, maybe id be throwing my hands on the output wire )

I used...12 V battery, connected to 25 kv power supply...then rest as is already published on naudins site.

Heres a great circuit for building a HV power supply off a 12V battery + flyback tranformer + transistor

Transistor Driven High Voltage Flyback Transformer Page.

and here is our old pal yucca demonstrating it

YouTube - Flyback Transformer Driver

You could use this circuit as your HV through the spark gap...then onto coil. I'd very very surprised if you couldnt light 20 CFLs of that sucker...big ones too...who knows...maybe a filament.

Who wants to have a go?

PS alternatively you could just wire up the electrodes from your open TV (rubber sucker and line round the edge of the screen) into the kapagen (lifter style!). But i wont be responsible for any of the consequences - you get yourselves stuck in a wormhole or something, and you're on your own.


I suggest anyone who wants to build a transistor driven flyback check this link as it has a list of transistors that work and dont work for this circuit.

Any more deaths to add to this dangerous 12V input thread?

Ive got an idea, why not spam the MOT kapagen replication thread with electrocutions.......would make more sense than spamming a thread where people are using a harmless input

I believe that this type of post is absolutely reckless, unwarranted, and unsupported; it should be completely disregarded.

[vidbid]

On Topic

There are three points I wish to make with respect to this quote.

Since it appears this thread is never going to be about the subject of it's title I guess I'll throw my 2 cents in. In my opinion vidbid has gone way overboard in trying to convince everyone else they are not qualified to work with high voltage. As for you guys that think 12 volts is "SAFE" you are only showing what vidbid has been saying. That is you don't know what you are talking about. Almost any 12 volt battery will melt your ring right off your finger unless the battery is completely dead. Of course it will take some of your finger with it. And after using a NST or inverter to convert the 12 volts into something more useful the higher voltage does have the ability to kill you. It only takes a few milliamps of current passing through your heart to stop it dead. You should really study up on a subject before you make statements based on your own ideas.

Now could we please get back to the subject of this thread.

citfta

(1.) As to this portion of your quote:

vidbid has gone way overboard in trying to convince everyone else they are not qualified to work with high voltage.

DENIED. ASSUMES FACT NOT IN EVIDENCE.

Given the subject of this topic, my statement with respect to high voltage and/or current electricity are completely warranted and supported regarding safety and caution.

(2.) As to this portion of your quote:

Almost any 12 volt battery will melt your ring right off your finger unless the battery is completely dead. Of course it will take some of your finger with it. And after using a NST or inverter to convert the 12 volts into something more useful the higher voltage does have the ability to kill you. It only takes a few milliamps of current passing through your heart to stop it dead.

Agreed.

(3.) As to this portion of your quote:

Now could we please get back to the subject of this thread.

FACT: I never left topic and was already on topic with my post when I was personally attacked in this post and had to defend myself in the post and in this post to make my point clear that what I was in opposition to was reckless misinformation.

[citfta]

Off topic posts

Since it appears this thread is never going to be about the subject of it's title I guess I'll throw my 2 cents in. In my opinion vidbid has gone way overboard in trying to convince everyone else they are not qualified to work with high voltage. As for you guys that think 12 volts is "SAFE" you are only showing what vidbid has been saying. That is you don't know what you are talking about. Almost any 12 volt battery will melt your ring right off your finger unless the battery is completely dead. Of course it will take some of your finger with it. And after using a NST or inverter to convert the 12 volts into something more useful the higher voltage does have the ability to kill you. It only takes a few milliamps of current passing through your heart to stop it dead. You should really study up on a subject before you make statements based on your own ideas.

Now could we please get back to the subject of this thread.


citfta

[vidbid]

Acting With More Class

Did people forget how to respectfully disagree???

It always astounds me how childish grown adults can be.

Lets all try to act with a bit more class. It goes along way towards establishing
credibility and creating a safe environment where people can share.

Agreed.

[Armagdn03]

Did people forget how to respectfully disagree???

It always astounds me how childish grown adults can be.

Lets all try to act with a bit more class. It goes along way towards establishing
credibility and creating a safe environment where people can share.

[vidbid]

For the Record

why not spam

spamming a thread

Large size text is annoying.

Spamming is not recommended. Please discontinue spamming.

[vidbid]

For the Record

Thanks Skywatcher. It puts people off the thread when every post is another electrocution.

DENIED. HE ASSUMES FACTS NOT IN EVIDENCE.

Now I want to address the following quote:

More chance of being struck by lightning than dying using a 12V battery.

I find it rather ironic that i personally use a 12V battery out of concern for the safety of me and my family (and have tried to persuade others afraid of using a MOT to give a low power Kap a try), whilst everyone else uses a MOT...... and its ME who gets a lecture about safety every 2 mins....

Take things carefully if you want to, but heh, you wanna grab the output wires on a MOT and ignore reasonable advice, well i aint gonna stop you. Thats true freedom....freedom to act recklessly if one so desires.

There are several points that I would like to address:

Take things carefully if you want to

With respect to high voltage and/or high current electricity, you need to BE careful.

you wanna grab the output wires on a MOT

DON'T!

and ignore reasonable advice

You should NOT ignore reasonable advice.

i aint gonna stop you

STOP!

I advise reason and caution.

Thats true freedom....freedom to act recklessly if one so desires

Don't be reckless with high voltage and/or high current electricity.

While we are free to choose our actions, we are not free to choose the consequences of our actions. -Stephen R. Covey

My advice to you: Act intelligently.

[vidbid]

For The Record

Well done for finding that!

His unsuccessful attempt at sarcasm.

Did you find it on this link which i have already posted in the main kapagen thread POST 67.

DENIED. HE ASSUMES FACTS NOT IN EVIDENCE.

Post #67 was posted on 06-29-2010, 02:17 PM. However, I posted the information before he did. See Permalink for Post #454, on 06-26-2010, 05:23 PM in the main Kapanadze thread: See Permalink: http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...tml#post101099

(before i was asked to leave by a somewhat unfriendly poster)...??

DENIED. HE ASSUMES FACTS NOT IN EVIDENCE.

FACT: I never asked him to leave. That is his assumption.

FACT: I was concerned.

FACT: I was not unfriendly, but I consider that he is certainly being unfriendly now by erroneously claiming that I was.

See Permalink: http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...tml#post101587

low wattage input - this is real simple to do if you (like me) consider playing with a deadly MOT too risky (hey...i have kids running round the place. if i was still young and sinlge, maybe id be throwing my hands on the output wire )

Notice that he uses the words "playing with." A MOT would certainly be deadly to anyone "playing with" it. "Playing with" could be considered risky because one is not using due caution. I advise caution and to stop "playing with" a MOT if one were so inclined to so. Logically, one so inclined to so would probably be one considering "throwing" one's "hands on the output wire."

Any more deaths to add to this dangerous 12V input thread?

DENIED. HE ASSUMES FACTS NOT IN EVIDENCE.

His unsuccessful attempt at sarcasm.

Ive got an idea, why not spam the MOT kapagen replication thread with electrocutions

DENIED. HE ASSUMES FACTS NOT IN EVIDENCE.

His unsuccessful attempt at sarcasm.

FACT: Warnings and disclaimers wouldn't be necessary if it weren't for novices and jokers.

...would make more sense than spamming a thread where people are using a harmless input

DENIED. HE ASSUMES FACTS NOT IN EVIDENCE.

His unsuccessful attempt at sarcasm.

[seth]

LMAO, give it a rest already vidbid. Your talking as if were all infants and can't or shouldn't be allowed to determine our destiny. Would you prevent a child from touching a candle flame, with scare tactics from birth. This is one of this world's issues, fear of death and the only ones that benefit from the deaths are the control freaks who come in and legislate more unlawful statutory code to limit peoples freedoms.
peace love light
Tyson

Thanks Skywatcher. It puts people off the thread when every post is another electrocution.

[seth]

I think I found an HV flyback transformer circuit that would produce an decent micro-arc in a spark gap. It can run on 9 or 12 volts. I saw it on YT.

The fly-back is from a computer monitor, and the transistor is a MJE13009.

Well done for finding that!

Did you find it on this link which i have already posted in the main kapagen thread (before i was asked to leave by a somewhat unfriendly poster)...??

POST 67.

low wattage input - this is real simple to do if you (like me) consider playing with a deadly MOT too risky (hey...i have kids running round the place. if i was still young and sinlge, maybe id be throwing my hands on the output wire )

I used...12 V battery, connected to 25 kv power supply...then rest as is already published on naudins site.

Heres a great circuit for building a HV power supply off a 12V battery + flyback tranformer + transistor

Transistor Driven High Voltage Flyback Transformer Page.

and here is our old pal yucca demonstrating it

YouTube - Flyback Transformer Driver

You could use this circuit as your HV through the spark gap...then onto coil. I'd very very surprised if you couldnt light 20 CFLs of that sucker...big ones too...who knows...maybe a filament.

Who wants to have a go?

PS alternatively you could just wire up the electrodes from your open TV (rubber sucker and line round the edge of the screen) into the kapagen (lifter style!). But i wont be responsible for any of the consequences - you get yourselves stuck in a wormhole or something, and you're on your own.


I suggest anyone who wants to build a transistor driven flyback check this link as it has a list of transistors that work and dont work for this circuit.

Any more deaths to add to this dangerous 12V input thread?

Ive got an idea, why not spam the MOT kapagen replication thread with electrocutions.......would make more sense than spamming a thread where people are using a harmless input

[vidbid]

Flyback Driver Simulation

YT Video: ZVS Flyback Driver - Simulation -Pretty cool looking.

[vidbid]

HV Flyback Transformer Circuit

I think I found an HV flyback transformer circuit that would produce an decent micro-arc in a spark gap. It can run on 9 or 12 volts. I saw it on YT.

The fly-back is from a computer monitor, and the transistor is a MJE13009.

[vidbid]

LMAO, give it a rest already vidbid. Your talking as if were all infants and can't or shouldn't be allowed to determine our destiny. Would you prevent a child from touching a candle flame, with scare tactics from birth. This is one of this world's issues, fear of death and the only ones that benefit from the deaths are the control freaks who come in and legislate more unlawful statutory code to limit peoples freedoms.
peace love lightTyson

DENIED. You only have one life.

[SkyWatcher]

LMAO, give it a rest already vidbid. Your talking as if were all infants and can't or shouldn't be allowed to determine our destiny. Would you prevent a child from touching a candle flame, with scare tactics from birth. This is one of this world's issues, fear of death and the only ones that benefit from the deaths are the control freaks who come in and legislate more unlawful statutory code to limit peoples freedoms.
peace love light
Tyson