Kapagen Systems - 12v Input Only

[seth]

I tried my 12V ''kapagen'' without the kapagen coil.....I replaced it with the 450 turn coil of my tesla secondary....

I got very similar results with either coil concerning how many CFLs were still lighting....

YouTube - Teslasecondary12-6V.flv

in the video you'll see the CFLs lighting, even from my 6V, 2.8 AH battery...surely less than 6 W....perhaps 1 or 2???

I'm starting to agree with juju's conclusions - we can light the same amount of bulbs with or without the kapagen....but only experiment will prove him right or wrong.

Good luck and have fun!!!

PS - interesting stuff dragon - well done!

[vidbid]

Twin Toroids

The twin toroids were driven by one of the $6.50 allelectronics 2000 volt 10ma NST's ( 12 volt ). The kapagen replication was done with a 6500volt 20ma NST normally driven by 120 volt. I put the inverter on it to see if it would function the same with a 12 volt input. Other than a few tweaks it did fine. I do have a conditioning cap in front of the NST primary coil which would filter out any HV spikes to the inverter. It was one of those 12.00 cheapie 70 watt units...

I like the above statement.

[vidbid]

Thank You For the Romerouk Warning

@dragon so you were really using an inverter in the toroid setup?

@vidbid: romerouk as warn us that the HF/RF will probably kill the inverter, but he refered using the MOT!

I thank you for his warning. I will take it under advisement.

so its safe to drive an NST or FLYBACK transformer, with an inverter near this setup?

I'm not sure if you're addressing me or not, but if you are, then I would say that that would probably constitute a warranty, and I do not issue warranties.

I would advise caution. If I were to advise on that matter, I might say that one should only consider it as an aide to conceptualization and nothing more.

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[vidbid]

12VDC-Input Kapagen : Isolation Transformer

Thank you vidbid so this is basically the same as the 240vac version with an inverter and 12vdc battery? Looks interesting, Ill have to read some more on this.

That image is for conceptualization purposes only and is not intended for actual use.

Be extremely careful. Whenever you mix a battery, an inverter, and a high voltage device, you have danger. There's a lot of current running through that inverter and/or other device, and the voltage/current can fry you.

If one were to suggest anything, one might indicate that one might consider looking at a NST or a flyback transformer as others have suggested here.

[TanTric]

thank you dragon

its someone familiar with this kind of induction?

YouTube - Трансформатор Зацаринина - разоблачение

im using all as described in that video, but mine is bigger... toroid, copper foil, plastic insulator. But i dont know the frequency that this thing will work!



help please?



EDIT: i think the guy says 6Khz in the video, but im not shore!

[dragon]

@dragon so you were really using an inverter in the toroid setup?

@vidbid: romerouk as warn us that the HF/RF will probably kill the inverter, but he refered using the MOT!

so its safe to drive an NST or FLYBACK transformer, with an inverter near this setup?

The twin toroids were driven by one of the $6.50 allelectronics 2000 volt 10ma NST's ( 12 volt ). The kapagen replication was done with a 6500volt 20ma NST normally driven by 120 volt. I put the inverter on it to see if it would function the same with a 12 volt input. Other than a few tweaks it did fine. I do have a conditioning cap in front of the NST primary coil which would filter out any HV spikes to the inverter. It was one of those 12.00 cheapie 70 watt units...
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[TanTric]

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but he allready powered his NST with a 12V battery in his toroid kind of setup!

@dragon so you were really using an inverter in the toroid setup?

@vidbid: romerouk as warn us that the HF/RF will probably kill the inverter, but he refered using the MOT!

so its safe to drive an NST or FLYBACK transformer, with an inverter near this setup?

[wrench76]

Thank you vidbid so this is basically the same as the 240vac version with an inverter and 12vdc battery? Looks interesting, Ill have to read some more on this.

[vidbid]

Kapagen : Dragon Replication

That actually worked quite well using a 70 watt inverter to power the NST, still only used 7-8 watts to drive the 40 watt bulb. It took a little more work to get it there but once it was dialed in did quite well. With a grid input, a variac and an adjustable spark gap, the tuning was quite easy in comparison. I like the low voltage input as it could be driven by a single solar panel....

Fun stuff !

You did good!

[dragon]

Why don't you use a 12VDC deep-cycle battery and a 12VDC-input NST or a Flyback Transformer to power your Kapagen's output coil? You might have better results powering one incandescent lamp. According to J. L. Naudin's Kapagen Replication Page, Dragon was able to successfully power one incandescent lamp with his 120VAC-input NST. You could replicate his work and substitute a 12VDC-input NST instead of a 120VAC-input NST and probably get the same results.

However, if you are only going to power one incandescent lamp with your 12VDC-input Kapagen, you might as well obtain an inverter and power the three CFLs instead.

That actually worked quite well using a 70 watt inverter to power the NST, still only used 7-8 watts to drive the 40 watt bulb. It took a little more work to get it there but once it was dialed in did quite well. With a grid input, a variac and an adjustable spark gap, the tuning was quite easy in comparison. I like the low voltage input as it could be driven by a single solar panel....

Fun stuff !
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[vidbid]

12VDC-Input Kapagen : Request for Substance

I have read all 22 posts, and I dont see any information here about this system.What is the point of this thread anyway?

He's has a point. He wants to see a 12VDC-input Kapagen block diagram, very basic. Provided only for conceptualization. Not intended for actual use. Use at your own risk. See unreferenced image quote below:

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[TanTric]

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this thread is for the guys that are working with the kapagen, but with 12V input only! and to discuss ther ideas and share the setups!

just like everyother thread! hugs

I have read all 22 posts, and I dont see any information here about this system.What is the point of this thread anyway?

[vidbid]

12VDC-Input Kapagen Or 12VDC-Input Inverter

i dont know about his kapagen setup...

but he allready powered his NST with a 12V battery in his toroid kind of setup!

That's probably the problem.

i think there's no need for the inverter, because will take efficience, i have one that running without load will eat 0.5amps!

I think in his case, it would be more efficient for him to use an inverter and nothing more except a 12VDC battery, some wires, and three CFLs.

[wrench76]

I have read all 22 posts, and I dont see any information here about this system.What is the point of this thread anyway?

[TanTric]

i dont know about his kapagen setup...

but he allready powered his NST with a 12V battery in his toroid kind of setup!

i think there's no need for the inverter, because will take efficience, i have one that running without load will eat 0.5amps!

Why don't you use a 12VDC deep-cycle battery and a 12VDC-input NST or a Flyback Transformer to power your Kapagen's output coil? You might have better results powering one incandescent lamp. According to J. L. Naudin's Kapagen Replication Page, Dragon was able to successfully power one incandescent lamp with his 120VAC-input NST. You could replicate his work and substitute a 12VDC-input NST instead of a 120VAC-input NST and probably get the same results.

However, if you are only going to power one incandescent lamp with your 12VDC-input Kapagen, you might as well obtain an inverter and power the three CFLs instead.