gravity waves found

[Cloxxki]

Brainfart, working on hypotheses of Witsend above.
It may indeed be vital to use an even number of segment to get this effect. I'd be most interested whethet taking one segment out would render the device "dead". I am thinking on various cancelling forces and vectors being split by the lack on an uneven equalizer of sorts.
If with 23 (or 25 if easier) sections it works just as well or better, more thinking will be needed by smarter people.

What bugs me...why do PMH's hold charge? If current flows around, why doesn't resistance reduce the charge over time through heat and other losses? Is this type of current is static rather than travelling at E? Who knows, a PMH may potentially be an aether-sucker, truly OU. Unless David knows of ways to extract energy from one which eventually disengages the lock, other than through mechanical means.

[witsend]

DavidE - Hi again. If you're dogpaddling - I'm drowning. LOL

I notice that you're looking to measurable evidence. My own take is that the anomaly is proven now that Bruce sees it as well. So. No longer strictly an anomaly. In my view we need to name this. My first proposal is that we call it the 'lambright glimmer' or LG which, hopefully will lead to the lambright oscillation LO. I suspect that this latter effect may be useable and I do think that both effects - though small, of themselves, could be advanced and concentrated to produce something more significant. The question is actually - what is it that we see?

So. Here's a grandiose sweep - which I really do not expect anyone to take seriously - apart from myself that is . If this is - as I suspect - two opposing magnetic fields - and if, as I've deduced, the surface of our earth has only 1 such magnetic field (nothing opposing) - then the two cancel out and leave just one exposed field. That's the field in the rig and, probably in the 'loops' or 'legs' as Bruce sees it. I'm reasonably certain that the only thing that can resist one magnetic field is another magnetic field. If so. Then what we're actually looking at is something akin to a monopole - but it's a full on monopolar 'field' structured into a three dimensional rig.

Then. Again, I'm not expecting anyone to 'buy in' - if photons do indeed interact with gravitational fields, and if also a magnetic field IS a gravitational field - then they would, indeed, interact with that field. The particular properties of that magnetic field (always supposing that there is a magnetic field) is that it has it's own localised position in space - in this case, being Dave's rig. In which case, they would follow the curvature of that space and this would render their frequency distinct from the frequency of the surrounding photons. Therefore would they 'glimmer' out of phase with the surrounding photons.

Anyway - that's what I suspect we're seeing. The use of this is profound. If this is - indeed - proving that magnetic fields and gravity are one and the same thing - then surely? We have wasted many hundreds of years in ignoring the interplay of magnetic fields. Somewhere there is some combination of polarities that may induce - not only limited effects - but real effects such as antigravity - perpetual motion - the whole catastrophe. As I see it - we need to define the actual properties of the rig that is enabling this evidence. I think Dave's holding out on us. The truth is that he did a variation of Leedskalnin's number and I'm inclined to think that there's an intuitive reach there that led him to the variation. You'll need to tell us so much more Dave.

Personally I'm delighted with this. I feel priveleged to be a part of this early evidence - the more so as it is very much in line with my thesis. But I'm realistic enough to know that - at this stage - NOTHING is proven. Just that we've got an LG - POSSIBLY and LO and both fall outside classical prediction. That's always a good start.

[DavidE]

David Lambright

Earlier in this thread I noted that Aluminum, if subjected to a strong enough magnetic field, could take on magnetic properties. Accepting that Aluminum may be made up from many different alloys - I still don't know if the effect is based on Aluminum specific or the amplified effect of a fractional component.

What I did prove though was that the foil did not have to be subjected to a PMH device, to produce the same effect. Now having said that, the PMH field may be strong enough to produce the same effect. And that in of itself is a very interesting question.

Strength of field would seem to be the common denominator - but I am open to other possibilities.

Secondly, I would like to see more objective data than "seeing" or "feeling" effects. Example: Ed Leedskalnin set up many experiments to demonstrate unseen but fundamental forces. A good example can be found at this link.

YouTube - Leedskalnin experiment that reveals the double helix: The True Structure of Electricity

I applaud your enthusiasm and willingness to share - it helps prod us all on, to discover real solutions, that may elevate quality of life.

[Bruce_TPU]

Good morning ALL,

While having the lights off, but the morning soft light entering closed blinds, from 10 feet away from the device, I can see the shimmer. This is without the device moving at all. I have a chair with thin dowels, running vertical directly behind my line of sight for the device. Having these vertical dowels somehow allows me to see the shimmer much better. Perhaps by giving the eye a point of reference. David mentioned using screen, so tonight I will try that.

Lastly, on a side note, it would not appear that the "shimmer" is random, but appears to be coming from the hollow of each of the curved horseshoe like pieces. The inside of the horseshoe. The shimmer does not "float up", it just "is". It extends sideways from the device, and above the curved horseshoe pieces. Honestly, it is a bit "weird" having a device shimmering on the dining room table.

I think the weight test and similar tests will be important. I do not think of a way that this can be used to produce electricity, any ideas would be gladly accepted.

We will see what the weight tests bare out. As for the cause, it could be that David had inadvertantly produced a miniture version of a magnetic vortex, such as is known in Oregon. Distortion of time and space. Scientist have been studying it for many years. Is the magnetic field within the PMH moving? (moving, not changing) Magnetic current? Can we show this? If it is moving, at what speeds? Could this distortion be caused by relativity as it relates to time and space because of speed? Just some things that I ponder...

Cheers,


Bruce
Bruce

[DavidE]

witsend

I am dogpaddling in deep water here.

If our earth instruments can detect and image stars (etc) behind planets - might that indicate a gravitational-photon interaction?

If this is possible on that scale, I see no reason why the same fundamental may not play at many levels. Even simple human observation perspectives on earth.

If magnetic fields can bend or refract photons, maybe this is the subtle force that Dave reports as shimmering colors or as observable light waves?

[witsend]

gravitational lensing

Photons are not known to respond to a magnetic field.

Gravitational lens - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

DavidE hi. Indeed. Gravitational lensing has provided the required proof to our astrophysicists that dark matter exists and that it exists in really vast quantities. Not sure of your question - if it is a question? The consensus is that they require something in the region of ten times more matter than is visible in our galaxies - and that this matter is evident when they study those distant galaxies using gravitational lensing. I believe it was first shown with some of Hubble's telescopes. The further consensus is that there is also a requirement for space to be pretty well filled with dark matter - something in the order of 97% more of this than visible matter. In effect, as I see it, our astrophysicists are looking for aether energy. But they go to some considerable trouble to call it something else. LOL. The actual questions are what is that particle - where is it - what does it weigh - what is its velocity - what is it's charge? They only require that it's invisible - non standard - and probably a lepton - or a fundamental particle. But the questions are out there. Lots of them.

[witsend]

A tuning fork, having more mass, might attract more of the effect, in indeed present and measurable.

Edit : ...
Rotating the ringing tuning fork above the device might prove interesting, if any effect exists.

I must say I'd also be interested in seeing how different materials respond when just 'hanging' over the device. Also to see if there's any unusual oscillations. I do, ocassionally, see such in some of Dave's videos so I'm inclined to think Dave is trying this out.

I've done a variety of tests - very preliminary - on variations of toroidal fields - and different conditions of magnetisation - but, thus far, have seen nothing unusual. I'll be posting them all in due course but - right now - I can't seem to locate the 'recharger' for my camera. I'm still building a variation of Dave's rig - that should be completed soon - and then I'll make a serious attempt at doing some posting and analysis along with it.

My own take is that photons do interact with magnetic fields but that they find the 'straight' path through those fields. But the interactive moment is outside our time frame - as they are not locality dependent. In a sense I see it as 'flickering' into and out of our own dimensions. My hope is that this 'flicker' or this 'glimmer' may be some evidence of an interaction with that magnetic field. And the thesis then suggests that magnetic fields are, in fact, the aether that everyone refers to. But I'm not asking anyone to 'buy into' the concepts. Just trying to explain my interest in these effects. The point is that the thesis only then needs magnetic fields to explain the interaction of matter towards or away from the centre of that field which would make it synonymous with the gravitational effects that we know of.

But the real question is precisely what magnetic field Dave has got there that gives it this unique property? I'm ruling out as many options as I can in the hopes that we can get to the precise magnetic conditions that Dave has managed. At this stage I think the 'lock' is holding two opposing fields together. Anyway. That's my tuppence worth. I'd be delighted to hear what others think - especially Dave.

[DavidE]

witsend

Photons are not known to respond to a magnetic field.

Gravitational lens - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[Cloxxki]

Haven't we discussed this? I understood that consensus was that the it's impossible to rule out some level of bias? Which is a pity - as it would, indeed, be interesting. I rather think that Bruce may be able to give us some actual weight variations - if this comes into play. If it's not actually changing the 'weight' perhaps he can find a way of showing the movement bias - towards or away from the rig. That would be so nice.

Absolutely GREAT that you notice the effects Bruce!

Shaking is what I expect will give most effects, being a series of back and forth accelerations. A horizontal string above the device, with a mass attached in the middle, then put into oscillation, MIGHT offer anomalous period and/or ring time.
A vibrating guitar string, when indeed affected to change its period, will exhibit a different, or at least false tone.
A tuning fork, having more mass, might attract more of the effect, in indeed present and measurable.

Edit : I first wrote vertical shaking and oscillation, but I frankly have no good reason to expect this to much different than lateral shaking. Vertical though, would on and off be enduring positive and negative gravital input. Lateral is gravity-neutral and thus more purely in nature as I see it.
Rotating the ringing tuning fork above the device might prove interesting, if any effect exists.

[witsend]

Bruce, since you can actually "feel" an effect, could you try this quick test that i think would put a lot of peoples minds at rest.

Blindolded.... holding the piece of pyrite above the ground a foot or so ( or however high above the device needs to be held )... have someone carefully slide the rig underneath the rock and back away again..and see if your "feel" tallys with when they are doing it....as an extra "control" have them slide something else that is inert, like a piece of cardboard or whatever just in case your ears are subconsciously picking up the sound of them moving it.

Thanks.

Haven't we discussed this? I understood that consensus was that the it's impossible to rule out some level of bias? Which is a pity - as it would, indeed, be interesting. I rather think that Bruce may be able to give us some actual weight variations - if this comes into play. If it's not actually changing the 'weight' perhaps he can find a way of showing the movement bias - towards or away from the rig. That would be so nice.

[rave154]

Bruce, since you can actually "feel" an effect, could you try this quick test that i think would put a lot of peoples minds at rest.

Blindolded.... holding the piece of pyrite above the ground a foot or so ( or however high above the device needs to be held )... have someone carefully slide the rig underneath the rock and back away again..and see if your "feel" tallys with when they are doing it....as an extra "control" have them slide something else that is inert, like a piece of cardboard or whatever just in case your ears are subconsciously picking up the sound of them moving it.

Thanks.

[david lambright]

hi

thank you bruce!...i am glad others see what i saw in my device....comforting....thanks for taking the time to test this weird device from oregon!!...david

[witsend]

I can indeed verify that there is some sort of unusual distortion/shimmer that does appear from time to time. First a note to all experimenters, THIS EFFECT IS SUBTLE!

I now believe those who replicated this perhaps missed it. It is there, but I had to stare, blink and patiently watch. I saw it, and saw it again and again. The wife and son see it better, as they have better eyes. I will try to think of a way to "magnify" the distortion effect, to be better seen in the two weeks ahead, and then I will ship it off to the next in line.

As far as the Iron pyrite (or something close to that) rock that David sent with it, you can definetely feel the magnetic field upon the rock, when the device is rotated, and the rock is held in the center, nearly touch the rotor.

As far as feeling "lighter", the rock does feel "different", but not all of the time and it may be my mind playing games. I will attempt to measure this distinctly in the two weeks ahead. I have a VERY accurate scale, for scientific experiment. But I need to keep the scale in a different time reference, I think, for the experiment to work.

Bruce

Good news inded Bruce. At least now we really know that this is not location dependent. Very nice. And many thanks for your input. Dave chose well in getting you on board to validate the effect. It needs that rare level of objectivity.

[Bruce_TPU]

Hello David, and ALL,

I have indeed received device number 2. Thank you David for entrusting me with it for a short season.

I can indeed verify that there is some sort of unusual distortion/shimmer that does appear from time to time. First a note to all experimenters, THIS EFFECT IS SUBTLE!

I now believe those who replicated this perhaps missed it. It is there, but I had to stare, blink and patiently watch. I saw it, and saw it again and again. The wife and son see it better, as they have better eyes. I will try to think of a way to "magnify" the distortion effect, to be better seen in the two weeks ahead, and then I will ship it off to the next in line.

As far as the Iron pyrite (or something close to that) rock that David sent with it, you can definetely feel the magnetic field upon the rock, when the device is rotated, and the rock is held in the center, nearly touch the rotor.

As far as feeling "lighter", the rock does feel "different", but not all of the time and it may be my mind playing games. I will attempt to measure this distinctly in the two weeks ahead. I have a VERY accurate scale, for scientific experiment. But I need to keep the scale in a different time reference, I think, for the experiment to work.

That's it for now! Remember, please, I am moving 400 miles, and am leaving Thursday. Friday on, I should be able to do some real experimenting. Until then, I will be in "observation" mode.

Interesting... indeed. How to use it? Unknown.

Cheers,

Bruce

[sucahyo]

i know you guys are busy, thanks for taking the time to do these things much appreciation.....david

It do not take much time , the slowest part is converting the video to avi.

I use virtual dub with filter: Smart Smoother HiQuality. Option visualize blur allow us to see what currently changing in the scene.

From an objective, neutral observer....

To simplify this discussion, are we arguing that there may or not be some type of optical aberration and that that constitutes the discovery of gravity waves??

David have problem showing the effect because only sensitive people see it or feel it, like Tesla. David have problem like Tesla have to face to show the bright light he see from his experiment, the photograph only show very small part of its brightness. Or when Tesla have to define stinging sensation where other people may not feel.

I don't think ordinary photograph device can be used because I believe the light is not the same as sun light. the wave can ride along light, but do not need one to travel.

According to Karl Reichenbach human can sense it with forehead, hand palm and stomach pit. Some artistic drawing exist that describe it like hot wave from faraway surface, but with color.



Some people call it aura. I think aura is a sign of energy distortion because electricity, magnetism, matter produce different kind of aura.


We can not capture "light" that can not be seen with normal eyes using usual device. I don't think there is knowledge about how human orgone senses work.

Maybe it is better to use other type of capturing to visualize the effect. Maybe based from what other effect observed. Not based on visual wave that came out but based on physical properties like magnetic properties or gravity properties.

Maybe by using water filled with magnetite powder, oil filled with carbon, transparent magnet, an array of compass, an array of hanging weight, an array of newton meter, etc. Maybe a handful of lightly magnetized bolt each hanging to rubber band may show the effect better.