gravity waves found

[witsend]

Jetijs SAID that his friend see it. read any quote I post above. Here is the exact quote:
"Anyway, the bottom line is that it seems that no matter of how you energize your coil (I mean no matter where the plus and minus of the battery goes), if you rotate it clockwise it always makes a kind of standing wave coming out from the sides of the wheel, like orbits. One was about 3m in diameter, the other was about 5m in diameter. There are more standing waves further away, but they are not so stron as the first two."

Apologies sucahyo. Indeed. This was seen by Jet's 'senstives'. Such has entirely eluded me personally. But I'm not a sensitive. Wish I were. LOL. Meanwhile - here's the thing. ANYONE can see the Lambright Glimmer on the videos. And some can see the Lambright glimmer directly off their rigs. Bruce actually refers to the 'progress' in seeing this. His own family see it. And having seen it once - then it's immediately apparent.

Guys - more updates on my own 'control' variation. Definitely NO Lambright Glimmer seen by either me or anyone else. BUT there are real anomalies re attraction and repulson of objects held near it. I've got another photo which I'll post when the light allows it.

[witsend]

circles within circles

I've sent a link of all the appropriate 'explanations' for the circle within circles number to a mathematician - together with a slew of questions that I have. Finally located one - thank God.

When and 'if' I get an answer I'll post it here. And I'm looking into the options for my own software so that I can better explain what I'm trying to point to. Clearly my objects here are really badly explained. It's a tough one when the basic concept is so apparently simple and yet actually very complex. Dismissing the basic concept for it's simplicity somewhat defeats the object of pointing to it's complexity.

[sucahyo]

Nor do I. That WOULD be interesting. Not sure that anyone claims this? And not sure why you say it's BEEN claimed.

Jetijs SAID that his friend see it. read any quote I post above. Here is the exact quote:
"Anyway, the bottom line is that it seems that no matter of how you energize your coil (I mean no matter where the plus and minus of the battery goes), if you rotate it clockwise it always makes a kind of standing wave coming out from the sides of the wheel, like orbits. One was about 3m in diameter, the other was about 5m in diameter. There are more standing waves further away, but they are not so stron as the first two."

[witsend]

Jetijs can not see what his sensitive friend see, but you state that everyone see in the video what sensitive person see in real life?

Is it a language barrier we're up against here sucahyo? We can ALL see the evidence of something 'glimmering' in those videos. But you need to train your eyes to it. As Adie suggested. Use your peripheral vision. Look at the area defined against the area that is outside that defined area. Not so much sensitivity as a kind of 'learning curve'.

I admit that I do not read all the post, is there a break trough by david that allow video camera to capture the effect seen by sensitive person to allow normal person to see it in video?

Yes.

I definitely do not see 5 meter standing wave in david video which jetijs said to be much powerful.

Nor do I. That WOULD be interesting. Not sure that anyone claims this? And not sure why you say it's BEEN claimed.

[witsend]

Guys, still drowning here. But I have a question. How come that motor device of Leedskalnin, needed to be encased in concrete - or is it concrete? If it is then surely that was the 'glue' needed to hold repulsive forces? I would love to know what Jet's lastest design would do if those fields were deliberately configured to oppose each other. As it is they're married - one segment to the next. That's assuming that he uses coils - magnets - to arrange the poles as Adie suggested. I think if one simply uses a single coil to fire the entire rig as Dave proposes - then I still see two entire circles of opposing fields wrapping around that that rig. But each inner segment opposes it's neighbouring inner and each outer opposing it's neighbour. The difference with Dave's 'leaves' as I've heard them described or 'legs' as I refer to them - is this. Leedskalnin's 'legs' were almost touching. If they are mutually repulsive - then that's a strong magnetic field. And it's not attractive - it's repulsive. He'd NEED that glue. Am I the only one who sees this?

The intriguing aspect of these rigs - to me - is that there's this exotic juxtaposition of magnetic fields. I do not - personally - think we've got a handle on it yet.

Great links everyone.

I've now spent the last two hours going over them all. Leedskalnin fascinates me. And I buy into his 'small little magnets' number. Completely. Also - he and Tesla both saw matter being magnetically configured. Somehow. Can anyone give a link to Ed's actual theories? Or is it all speculative?

[sucahyo]

So far we've discussed imagined effects. But the camera picks it out. Then we explored the uniqueness of the glimmer which was variously attributed to camera equipment vagaries. But this is just the other side of the same argument. The eyes see the same thing as the camera sees.

Jetijs can not see what his sensitive friend see, but you state that everyone see in the video what sensitive person see in real life?

But no matter what I tried, I did not feel any cold or heat, I tried pointing a laser on various places, also did not feel or see anything. Tried several speeds and both directions - nothing.

Anyway, I don't see any waves, the lased gives no result, also I feel nothing with a big quartz cluster stone. But when I held a heavy piece of iron on top of the device, it kinda felt like it wants to move somewhere, kinda like there were some magnets underneath. At this point this should not be taken seriously, because the feelings could be just subjective. I also tried to rotate the setup under infrared light. Interesting thing is that if I rotate the wheel just slow enough, at about 1rev per second, and if I look at the center of the wheel, I can see green color inside each of the bent tubes with my periphery vision, don't know, might be my eyes playing tricks on me. If I look at the wheel like this longer, I can see transitions from red to green color spectrum, like rainbow, but with the blue and violet color missing. When the wheel stands still, no colors, the iron pieces look just gray. I tried to capture this on photos but no luck.

Hi all
Ok, I am back and have something to report. I visited some sensitive persons yesterday and showed them both of my devices, the large one and the small one mounted on a fan. We tried many different experiments and the sensitives told us how the field is affected. Anyway, the bottom line is that it seems that no matter of how you energize your coil (I mean no matter where the plus and minus of the battery goes), if you rotate it clockwise it always makes a kind of standing wave coming out from the sides of the wheel, like orbits. One was about 3m in diameter, the other was about 5m in diameter. There are more standing waves further away, but they are not so stron as the first two.

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Also my wheel was compared to Davids wheel on a picture I gave them, and they said that Davids wheel is much stronger than mine, this might explain why I am not seeing anything and only very sensitive persons sees and feels the field

I admit that I do not read all the post, is there a break trough by david that allow video camera to capture the effect seen by sensitive person to allow normal person to see it in video?

I definitely do not see 5 meter standing wave in david video which jetijs said to be much powerful.

[wrench76]

Thanks Harvey.Everything seemed to fit so well until the end when it talked about the handle and the round part next to it. Just didnt seem accurate,but still interesting how all the other numbers fit (or were made to fit)the wheel. best of luck to all
wrench76

[Harvey]

The Golden Ratio is interesting stuff. A reference link inside the wiki article on the Golden Ratio, shows the golden ratio is present at the atomic scale in the magnetic resonance of spins in cobalt niobate atoms

Thanks for the info,

GB

I think it's been over a year since I've seen a reference to E8, thanks for the link

[gravityblock]

Thanx Wrench, I've watched these before - very interesting math especially regarding the pyramid angles. So many of us thought that slope was some malfunction of odd degrees turns out the Egyptians understood those special ratios very well, as do the Masons and no doubt Ed.

The Golden Ratio is interesting stuff. A reference link inside the wiki article on the Golden Ratio, shows the golden ratio is present at the atomic scale in the magnetic resonance of spins in cobalt niobate atoms

Thanks for the info,

GB

[Adie123]

Thx for your response Harvey, its highly appreciated.

Did you answer my question on if the magnetic current would circle around its own magnet faster and faster? or am i too tired to understand your reponse lol. maybe the latter to be honest

I'll try and put more info in my idea. As the other posts were rushed to get a quick response.



Take the bottom V magnet on my pic as example and ill add some random figures in there to try make it easier to explain. Magnetic north comes out at 'N' at 1kph, so does its neighbour. They push each other away faster than 1kph (lets say 5kph each because the force there is very strong for them to repel each other). They both enter their 'S' poles at 5kph and circle through their own magnet to start their cycle again. This time they come out at 5kph, push each other away again but this time at 25kph (gonna keep it at 5 times each turn). Then repeat. The South poles are doing the same in the opposit direction and all magnets are doing the same obviously..... Is this possible do you think or am i making up the impossible here? hehe

If it is possible then it will just be a gradual gain of speed and not 1x 5x 25x 125x. More like 1x 2x 3x 4x etc.

Regards
Adie

[Adie123]

Theres also one other thing Cloxxki that ive thought about on ed's flywheel. If you notice inside the wheel you can see all the curved edges of the magnets (inside the 4 leafed bowl) inbetween the cement or whatever he used to stick it all together. Anyhow, ive always been wondering, pretty much from day one of finding out about ed, that if he filled that up with water so that there is some other effect going on thats drawn to the center of the bowl or even making the whole flywheel do crazy sh.. urm poo

Regards
Adie

[Harvey]

Just had more thought on it. The magnets that are getting thrown/pushed at each others corresponding poles, will be at a tremendous pace and collide with one another and as they loop around their own magnet they speed up faster and faster to infinitey. am i write?

regards
Adie

Many experiment have been done to try and detect some sort of motion associated with magnetic flux in a static path such as a PMH, but to date none have succeeded. The data collected seems to give evidence that magnetic flux is the result of moving charges. In this case, the charges would be electrons moving around the nucleus of the atoms that make up the material. In most materials, the electrons move in chaotic orbits and their magnetic fields cancel out, but in certain materials a large majority electrons will move in the same direction and result in an accumulation of flux within the material. This is a recursive event where the two work together and add to the effect. Flux can cause orbits to align with it which results in more flux. This is the principle action of magnetization, where an external field coerces the internal fields to align and they stay that way even through the permeability of free space or air. In some cases, adding a material that is less permeable can cause a portion of the flux to reduce and cascade into a demagnetized state - like taking the bar off of a PMH.

In the drawing, you have added what we would call "Keepers" that do keep the flux contained and sustained by providing a good permeable path. So I could see Ed using something like that to keep the magnetization up in the V's.

It is unlikely however that any electricity could be generated with them in place unless they were external and stationary while the V magnets move past them. Then a coil could be wrapped around each of them and as the flux is routed through them back and forth a current would flow in the coils.

I think its great that you and the others here are thinking outside the box and are not afraid to post the 'what if' questions

And keep in mind, that just because it has never been done, it does not mean it cannot be done - in other words, until it is shown truthfully to be impossible, the possibility always exists.

[Cloxxki]

YouTube - Weird US at Florida's Coral Castle
4:30
Is that for real? Can machines use it, tools measure it?

[Cloxxki]

@Adie, not sure I'm fully up to speed with you, but I think I like the way you think...

When I see what you've done there, and factor in fysical rotation in the mix, I can visualize "N's and S's chasing each other down" in circles.
Not in the permanent magnet motor type of way, but in this context, possible enducing this electromagnetic imbalance than "somehow" boosts things.

And David's device may just be a small hint of what happens, when it happens. David after all does not use any permanent magnets, yet does get a continious effect from a minute amount of stored current.

Now shortly back to it not being a self-sustained permanent magnet motor...there are stories referenced on earlier pages of this thread that supposedly Keely designed these magneto's, and Ford used their hidden application (3 additional magnets of sorts I seem to recall, turned the motor into a fuelless one) to leverage power with the oil companies. But somehow I sense that approach is a dead end.

[Adie123]

Hi Adie123,

Your images are great! Those blue lobes in the second one look like 3D pears.

I noticed that the fields tend to have a hexagonal look to them when interacting with certain CRT screens and this made me start digging for an answer. ( YouTube - AdminOnDuty's Channel)

What I finally decided was that there is a geometric reason for it. Some Shadow Masks and the actual pixels themselves, are arranged in that hexagon formation. This causes an interaction with the magnets field during the beam scanning that results in those neat patterns.

But the 3D effect you get there is really nice

Yeh probably not an exact image of magnetic field but its closer than invisible hehe

Adie