gravity waves found

[Cloxxki]

You missed my point. I'm suggesting his height is used to determine the scale for the tripod.


Still not with you. What I'm asking is this. Is it feasible to use that tripod to lift those big rocks. As you pointed out the heaviest were something like 30 tons. If - as you've suggested - it's reasonable - then there's the answer. I would have thought that the height of the tripod against the weight of the stones would be something that could be established. If it's feasible then it should not really be left out of the reckoning. Maybe he did indeed simply use those crude but efficient tools. Unlikely - but possible?

Apologies, I read too quickly.

I totally believe he could lift rocks of that magnitude with the tripod. Just not that he could move them anywhere. The tripod would have required caster wheels the size of a bulldozer's. And one man can't get that to roll, let alone manouevre it. This leads me to ponder whether he may have used the anti-gravity forces produced by the tripod for lifting something else.
Who knows, perhaps potential energy in Ed's world is REAL energy, waiting to be harvested. Alternatively, perhaps he's first lift the rock, then rid it of weight, and float it away. More simplistic. The picture with the seemingly floating rock in the background seems to hint to the complicated way.

[Cloxxki]

http://media.msanet.com/NA/USA/FallProtection/ConfinedSpaceEquipment/LynxTripods/LynxTripod.jpg

Lynx&#153 Tripods

Telescopic lightweight tripod.
5400lb/~2.5mt within USA safety limits (actual failure load is 2x up to 10x, I've heard from engineers, can't guess for this item, but more than 1.0 for sure)

Compare that to Ed's tripod, made of what seems telegraph type poles. Building the tripod might have been harder for a small man than to lift 20mt with it once in place :-)
Don't forget the weight of an actual tree, laterally greatly loaded by the wind and snow. Now 3 of those put together...break that!

[witsend]

Ed's size to me is irrelevant scientifically. If a 7ft giant could operate a pulley that lifted 30mt out of a pit, then the maker of the pulley could make it workable for a 5ft man. Like pushing a button almost. Ed would need more time to complete the lift, but in fact he then had all this "lift" available for work elsewhere, he could float a rock away from the tripod with ease.

You missed my point. I'm suggesting his height is used to determine the scale for the tripod.

Coral rock has a given typical density. It's easy to determine.
The mass of the stones I bet was estimated and actually weighedtrip decades ago. Remember, they repaired the door.
The masses of the rocks themselves are the least mystery...

Still not with you. What I'm asking is this. Is it feasible to use that tripod to lift those big rocks. As you pointed out the heaviest were something like 30 tons. If - as you've suggested - it's reasonable - then there's the answer. I would have thought that the height of the tripod against the weight of the stones would be something that could be established. If it's feasible then it should not really be left out of the reckoning. Maybe he did indeed simply use those crude but efficient tools. Unlikely - but possible?

[Cloxxki]

Hi Adie. Thanks. But how about getting some numbers down? Maybe we could - at it's least - either prove or disprove the feasibility of the tripod. Not sure how you assess the weight of the blocks. I'd say their weight must be pretty much the same as granite? And Leedskalnin we know was 5ft so it may be possible to scale the length of that frame. Can this be established from such small clues? It would be nice.

Rosie

Ed's size to me is irrelevant scientifically. If a 7ft giant could operate a pulley that lifted 30mt out of a pit, then the maker of the pulley could make it workable for a 5ft man. Like pushing a button almost. Ed would need more time to complete the lift, but in fact he then had all this "lift" available for work elsewhere, he could float a rock away from the tripod with ease.

Coral rock has a given typical density. It's easy to determin.
The mass of the stones I bet was estimated and actually weight decades ago. Remember, they repaired the door.
The masses of the rocks themselves are the least mystery...

[witsend]

I have friend who is a 3D designer who could do a max loading test on a model. Type of wood would be important to know.
My word nor experience are worth anyhing, but I would estimate 30mt would be close to its maximum capacity. Ed's largest rock was 30mt apparently.

Such fine logs, used in such a tall and narrow tripod, are immense strong I reckon. They'd loaded to compress the logs, not bend them. Tribe people have built home with this technology for millennia.

As an example, a 200g stem (handlebar extention ~120mm between bicyle fork and handle), loaded with maximum leverage, holds about 1mt. The tripod is not loaded off-center, yet straight down center.
If anyone could build a heavy load tripod, it would of course be Ed.

Logic would be for Ed to not exceed the capacity of his tools or means. Doubling up I bet he could have done, but the operation would have become harder to keep secret. And he did not have a lot of means, or intension to do more than he did. He seemed to be more in it for the art and joy than for the size or the attention.

It's also odd that without apparent cutting tools, he seemed to have started out within days to cut up large blocks of coral. Without access to grip power. the undercutting pointing towards waves of some kind to have been used.

Sorry for the bandwidth. I'm itchin' to see more replications and hear theories!

maybe ask your friend? It would be so nice. I also wonder how he could get under the granite to cut it? How is this usually done? I know the Italians used to cut a small slice into a block and then wedge in wood. Then they wet the wood and the expansion was enough to split the marble along it's natural seams. Could something like that be done to cut the underside? The point is that if he actually needed to get into that block hole to work underneath - then - at least he'd need to make it wide enough to get there. Looks pretty small to me. How do these guys do this? Do you know? To my way of seeing this material it looks somewhat 'grainy' and unpatterned if that's the word. No clear structure to that material. So I can't see a clean split at the base. AHHHH. I guess there are known techniques for this. Just wish I knew.

[Cloxxki]

Cloxxki - there's a thought. Can you do the math? Can you assess what actual weights that structure could hold - and the complexities of the geers to enable it to be hand operated? That would be a start. if I could do it I would. Unfortunately way out of my competence.

How about it?

Rosie

I have friend who is a 3D designer who could do a max loading test on a model. Type of wood would be important to know.
My word nor experience are worth anyhing, but I would estimate 30mt would be close to its maximum capacity. Ed's largest rock was 30mt apparently.

Such fine logs, used in such a tall and narrow tripod, are immense strong I reckon. They'd loaded to compress the logs, not bend them. Tribe people have built home with this technology for millennia.

As an example, a 200g stem (handlebar extention ~120mm between bicyle fork and handle), loaded with maximum leverage, holds about 1mt. The tripod is not loaded off-center, yet straight down center.
If anyone could build a heavy load tripod, it would of course be Ed.

Logic would be for Ed to not exceed the capacity of his tools or means. Doubling up I bet he could have done, but the operation would have become harder to keep secret. And he did not have a lot of means, or intension to do more than he did. He seemed to be more in it for the art and joy than for the size or the attention.

It's also odd that without apparent cutting tools, he seemed to have started out within days to cut up large blocks of coral. Without access to grip power. the undercutting pointing towards waves of some kind to have been used.

Sorry for the bandwidth. I'm itchin' to see more replications and hear theories!

[witsend]

I'd hazzard at a guess of a couple of tonnes max.

Hi Adie. Thanks. But how about getting some numbers down? Maybe we could - at it's least - either prove or disprove the feasibility of the tripod. Not sure how you assess the weight of the blocks. I'd say their weight must be pretty much the same as granite? And Leedskalnin we know was 5ft so it may be possible to scale the length of that frame. Can this be established from such small clues? It would be nice.

Rosie

[Adie123]

Cloxxki - there's a thought. Can you do the math? Can you assess what actual weights that structure could hold - and the complexities of the geers to enable it to be hand operated? That would be a start. if I could do it I would. Unfortunately way out of my competence.

How about it?

Rosie

I'd hazzard at a guess of a couple of tonnes max.

[witsend]

We don't need a picture of a floating rock IMO. He moved them, and the tripod is not up for the job.[

Cloxxki - there's a thought. Can you do the math? Can you assess what actual weights that structure could hold - and the complexities of the geers to enable it to be hand operated? That would be a start. if I could do it I would. Unfortunately way out of my competence.

How about it?

Rosie

[Cloxxki]

We don't need a picture of a floating rock IMO. He moved them, and the tripod is not up for the job.
Also consider. If Ed mastered anti-gravity, he may not have stopped at getting rocks to float. He may have placed a target for the rock to float to all by itself. Self-guiding. Beats dragging a floating rock around by a cord. Vertical displacement is the hard part.
The tripod and pulley great for brute force. My gut is telling me, it was used to extract the energy to float another. It may be signicifant for the donor rock to remain large surrounded by the rock, on 5/6th of all faces.

[witsend]

All colors of light mixed, make white, right?
A prism can show show us the rainbow palette.

All magnetic wavelengths combined give us the near nothing we can detect on earth. "Something" can disect it.

Brainfart. Could Ed use the slightly lifted rock under the tripod, to collect gravity waves (or differential) from under it, to transfer it to a simple metallic wire loop around another rock to levitate it? The pulleys would offer the tuning.

Would the PMH really be the anti-gravity part of Ed' work, not "just" crazy electric generator? Sorry, I have not studied his work in much detail.
His Sweet Sixteen may indeed have been more about the number 16, and a phenomenon Ed foresaw or worked towards, more than a wonderful girl. Everything was cryptic with him anyway?

It still baffles me he did this all with such primitive tools. When he went to the hospital to recover, which he didn't, I bet he intended to come back. He's go back to work, assemble a few seemingly random items, and be cutting and floating rocks again.

Hi Cloxxki. I think your ideas here are as good as any - quite frankly. None of us know yet. I personally think he took something to the hospital. I'm sure there was something that was needed to 'fill in the puzzle' - like a key. Maybe a PMH but different. Just don't know. I'd give my eye teeth to see that photo more clearly. I simply can't distinguish anything 'lifting' even with Adie's lines. Still looking. By the way. I like your summary. I'm using it in fact. I think it's the most salient points.

[Cloxxki]

All colors of light mixed, make white, right?
A prism can show show us the rainbow palette.

All magnetic wavelengths combined give us the near nothing we can detect on earth. "Something" can disect it.

Brainfart. Could Ed use the slightly lifted rock under the tripod, to collect gravity waves (or differential) from under it, to transfer it to a simple metallic wire loop around another rock to levitate it? The pulleys would offer the tuning.
Would the PMH really be the anti-gravity part of Ed' work, not "just" crazy electric generator? Sorry, I have not studied his work in much detail.
His Sweet Sixteen may indeed have been more about the number 16, and a phenomenon Ed foresaw or worked towards, more than a wonderful girl. Everything was cryptic with him anyway?

It still baffles me he did this all with such primitive tools. When he went to the hospital to recover, which he didn't, I bet he intended to come back. He's go back to work, assemble a few seemingly random items, and be cutting and floating rocks again.

[Cloxxki]

A short summary for myself, on Edward Leedkalnin's mysterious work:
- Electric generation (with the PMH?)
- Precise cutting and even undercutting of rocks (molecular disassociation? Ultrasound?)
- Precise placing of revolving doors out of rock.
- Levitation of large blocks, however utilising a crane for some purpose
- swift loading of large rocks onto a truck (mobile or remote anti-gravity device)

On top of realizing the above:
- In-depth knowledge on astronomy.
- Likely ground-breaking work towards higher yet understanding of magnetism.

[witsend]

Hi Dave and all,
Watching this topic with great interest. Sorry I am not able to do a build at this time.

Here is quote from Jon Depew website:

CCC Page 16 /

Just watched this Tishatang. Amazing graphics.

All Jon's designs are based on the simple linking of the S curves of positive and negative magetic currents as shown on the cover of Leedskalnin's book. Most all his designs feature sweet sixteen points. This gives 22.5 degrees from the center of a circle. Maybe 16 cut pieces of pipe will give best results for Daves glimmer effect? Or, maybe less numbers of pipes cut to yield the above degree numbers will work as well?

I remember you pointing out Leedskalnin's work to me. A year ago now? You see I'm now hooked. LOL.

I have been thinking about Dave's discovery from just a layman's point of view. Perhaps when the PMH is energized, it captures a bit of the gravity part of the magnetic spectrum withing its magnetic field. In other words, there is a little bit of gravity trapped in it as it was aligned at the time when energized. Then as you spun the wheel, or just moved it a little from its first position, a phase shift of the gravity waves will occur. Just a few degrees off would create phase shifting, causing the glimmer effect?

It would be nice if that were the whole of the answer. But it leaves questions as to 'what' is the thing itself that got isolated. In a way I agree. But I see it as magnetic fields that are able to resist the earth's fields. They're shielded somehow. In other words that 'little bit of gravity' is just a monopolar magnetic field somehow isolated in space. And because it's inherently imbalanced it's reaching out it's fields to find something to balance against - or marry with. It's other half. LOL. I do see it as a potential difference - but with a difference. It's not confined to a circuit path. But there are many other differences between this and pure voltage. Voltage is not known to change the magnetic properties of just about any material. Something in Dave's rig allows this.

[Tishatang]

Hi Dave and all,
Watching this topic with great interest. Sorry I am not able to do a build at this time.

Here is quote from Jon Depew website:

CCC Page 16 /


IMPORTANT TO PEOPLE WHO WANT TO EXPERIMENT FOR THEMSELVES: This code of creation has built in markers that keep the integrity of it's message. These are 22.5-30-33-45-90 degree etc. (node connections). When these patterns are built to full form or complexity you will see within them> ALL of SACRED GEOMETRY that is to say Sacred Golden Triangles,Golden Squares,Golden Rectangles, Hexagons, Octagons etc. They are the"Perfect Phi / Pi MARKERS" . Do not ignore these markers. These degree angle markers are a big part of the mechanics behind the functionality of energy and how it interacts or communicates with surrounding space and other magnetic systems. Exactly as a snowflake reveals to us. Phi is INHERENTLY built into the BASE form of Energy, so everything born from that "BASE" is born or manifested with that INHERENT Phi /Pi mathematical value. Ed's & the Ancient curves are the VISUAL formula for that same mathematical value of Energy. It is Pi within Pi within Pi. This is obvious to a trained mystic but is not obvious to someone who is not experienced with these topics.
That is changing quickly. Jon DePew
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All Jon's designs are based on the simple linking of the S curves of positive and negative magetic currents as shown on the cover of Leedskalnin's book. Most all his designs feature sweet sixteen points. This gives 22.5 degrees from the center of a circle. Maybe 16 cut pieces of pipe will give best results for Daves glimmer effect? Or, maybe less numbers of pipes cut to yield the above degree numbers will work as well?

Here is one video for good intro to Jon D's work:

YouTube - JONDEPEW's Channel

I have been thinking about Dave's discovery from just a layman's point of view. Perhaps when the PMH is energized, it captures a bit of the gravity part of the magnetic spectrum withing its magnetic field. In other words, there is a little bit of gravity trapped in it as it was aligned at the time when energized. Then as you spun the wheel, or just moved it a little from its first position, a phase shift of the gravity waves will occur. Just a few degrees off would create phase shifting, causing the glimmer effect?

The only example I can think of is when they look at old lava, they can tell by the alignment of the magnetic lines of force, where North was at the time the lava cooled. If only a little bit of gravity is captured, it will react with the undisturbed gravity as the wheel is moved around.

Good luck to all
tishatang