My proposed explanation for the great pyramids.

CaptainScat;





I offered to discuss faith or personal belief , just not on this thread. I also explained why I quoted The Bible ; as a source on angels more credible the The Book of Enoch. Do you have a better source on angels that is not mythology?

according to you the bible is mythology, as the book of enoch was considered canon along with the other 45 original books of the old testament by jew and christian alike till 99AD, when the jews stopped using them (seven books). in every early christian council (such as nicea and carthage), they reiterated the acceptance of these books. it was hundreds of years later that it was removed... do you have a source on angels that is not mythology?

This was clearly in reference to building a replica of the Great Pyramid today, not how the ancient Egyptians did it.

A quote from a site on the Baalbek Trilithon, perhaps the same one you cite;



Enough said.

Al

nice evasion of the question, i'll repeat it. can you explain how the trilithon at baalbek was put into place? how did they move 800 ton stones? how did the engineers plan to move the 1200 ton stone?

in point of fact, we don't know. all we have is assumption, supposition and conjecture... and ancient myths and legends. what is obvious is that we were much more clever back then than we are now, at least with regards to building large.

[sucahyo]

Thanks for the head up ANTIQUER .

So Moses and pharaoh did use the same language?

And they have money / coin at that time?

Sorry,I'm not sure what you mean here; "magic books"?

About this book:
Key of Solomon - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
or
The Lesser Key of Solomon - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Interesting story on people similarity.

[ANTIQUER]

CaptainScat;

think you shouldn't quote jesus or the bible as an authoritative source if you don't want to discuss your faith or beliefs...

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Originally Posted by ANTIQUER View Post
Schpankme;

As I said to CaptainScat this is not the thread to discuss matters relating to faith or personal belief in that area. Start another thread or revive an older one such as "Bible" and I will gladly discuss it with you or anyone.

Al

I offered to discuss faith or personal belief , just not on this thread. I also explained why I quoted The Bible ; as a source on angels more credible the The Book of Enoch. Do you have a better source on angels that is not mythology?

and regarding your 100 ton crane, expain how the trilithon at baalbek was put into place then? each one is 70 feet long, 14 feet high, 10 feet thick, and weigh around 800 tons, and what of the 1200 ton stone that is still left in the quarry. how did they move those stones from the quarry over the mountain to the building site at baalbek? with a 100 ton crane?

This was clearly in reference to building a replica of the Great Pyramid today, not how the ancient Egyptians did it.

A quote from a site on the Baalbek Trilithon, perhaps the same one you cite;

Beneath the trilithon are another six huge building blocks, each 35 feet long and thus also larger than most building blocks used by humans anywhere else. No one knows how these stone blocks were cut, transported from the nearby quarry, and fit so precisely together. Some are so amazed at this feat of engineering that they have created fanciful tales of the Romans using magic or that the site was created centuries earlier by an unidentified people who had access to alien technology.

The fact that people today are unable to imagine how the construction was accomplished is not license to make up fairy tales, though. There are so many things which we today can do which the ancients couldn't even imagine; we shouldn't begrudge them the possibility that they could do a thing or two which we can't figure out yet.

Enough said.

Al

[ANTIQUER]

Hi Schpankme;

Was the Great Pyramid, then erected before the invention of hieroglyphics, and previous to the birth of the Egyptian religion? Time may yet prove that the upper chambers of the Pyramid were a sealed mystery before the establishment of the Egyptian empire. In the light if the secret philosophy of the Egyptian initiates, W.W. Harmon, by a series of extremely complicated yet exact mathematical calculations; determines that the first ceremonial of the Pyramid was performed 68,973 years ago on the occasion when the star Vega for the first time sent its ray down the descending passage into the pit. The actual building of the Pyramid was accomplished in the period of from ten to fifteen years immediately preceding this date.

I don't know who W.W. Harmon is and can find no mention of him, but that is the most ridiculous theory I have yet seen. How can anyone believe that any building would survive for almost 70,000 years? And who was performing the "ritual ceremonies"?

These are the significant earthquakes in the area that we know of in just the last 1200 years.

Date Assoc Addl
EQ
Info Earthquake Location Earthquake Parameters Earthquake Effects Photos
Focal
Depth Mag MMI Int Deaths Injuries Damage Houses
Destroyed Houses
Damaged
Year Mo Dy Hr Mn Sec Tsu Vol Name Latitude Longitude Num De Num De $Mill De Num De Num De
885 11 27 * EGYPT: AL-QAHIRAH (CAIRO) 30.000 31.100 10 1000 3 3 3 3
1070 2 25 * EGYPT: AL-QAHIRAH (CAIRO); ISRAEL: JERUSALEM 30.000 31.100 2
1211 6 15 * EGYPT: AL-QAHIRAH (CAIRO) 30.500 31.300 3
1303 8 8 Tsu * EGYPT: LIBYAN SEA 30.000 31.000 9 3 3 3 3
1754 9 2 * EGYPT: AL-QAHIRAH (CAIRO) 30.800 31.000 40000 4 3
1847 8 7 * EGYPT: AL-FAYYUM, CAIRO 29.500 30.500 11 185 3 4 4 4072 4 4072 4
1879 7 11 18 Tsu * EGYPT: GULF OF SUEZ 29.000 33.000 5.9
1992 10 12 13 9 55.5 * EGYPT: CAIRO 29.778 31.144 22 5.3 545 3 6512 4 1200.000 4 9350 4 9350 4
2002 8 24 20 1 18.3 * EGYPT: CAIRO

Significant Earthquake

I believe it was the one in 1303 a.d. that shook the Great Pyramid so hard it loosened the casing stones and cracked some core stones, as revealed by the 1992 Upuaut robot. No way could it survive natural forces for 70,000 years, especially in an earthquake zone.
The Giza Plateau may even have been underwater then as the pyramids and the Sphinx are built on an old sea bed.

Al

speaking of nimrod... according to legend, the temple of jupiter baal whose base contains the trilithon, was rebuilt (it was destroyed by the great deluge) by a race of giants under the direction of nimrod, son of ham and grandson of noah. the giants cut and transported the massive stones in the trilithon

[HairBear]

Schpankme;

As I said to CaptainScat this is not the thread to discuss matters relating to faith or personal belief in that area. Start another thread or revive an older one such as "Bible" and I will gladly discuss it with you or anyone.

Al

that's interesting, you quote jesus and the bible as factual and authoritative, and when someone post quotes from others that logically disagree with that you want them to start a new thread? i think you shouldn't quote jesus or the bible as an authoritative source if you don't want to discuss your faith or beliefs...

and regarding your 100 ton crane, expain how the trilithon at baalbek was put into place then? each one is 70 feet long, 14 feet high, 10 feet thick, and weigh around 800 tons, and what of the 1200 ton stone that is still left in the quarry. how did they move those stones from the quarry over the mountain to the building site at baalbek? with a 100 ton crane?

Baalbek Stone of the Pregnant Woman: Unbelievably Massive Stone in the Quarry Near Baalbek, Lebanon

[ANTIQUER]

Hi sucahyo;

Can anyone here post the quote from Bible which mention Egypt? What is the nationality of messenger like Moses, Solomon, Jesus, etc. Do they talk with ancient egypt language? Do they ever have war with ancient egypt etc.

Gen. 2:6-10

And there went a man of the house of Levi, and took to wife a daughter of Levi. 2 And the woman conceived , and bare a son: and when she saw him that he was a goodly child, she hid him three months. 3 And when she could not longer hide him, she took for him an ark of bulrushes, and daubed it with slime and with pitch, and put the child therein; and she laid it in the flags by the river's brink. 4 And his sister stood afar off, to wit what would be done to him. 5 And the daughter of Pharaoh came down to wash herself at the river; and her maidens walked along by the river's side; and when she saw the ark among the flags, she sent her maid to fetch it. 6 And when she had opened it, she saw the child: and, behold, the babe wept . And she had compassion on him, and said , This is one of the Hebrews' children. 7 Then said his sister to Pharaoh's daughter, Shall I go and call to thee a nurse of the Hebrew women, that she may nurse the child for thee? 8 And Pharaoh's daughter said to her, Go . And the maid went and called the child's mother. 9 And Pharaoh's daughter said unto her, Take this child away , and nurse it for me, and I will give thee thy wages. And the woman took the child, and nursed it. 10 And the child grew , and she brought him unto Pharaoh's daughter, and he became her son. And she called his name Moses;

Vs. 11

And it came to pass in those days, when Moses was grown , that he went out unto his brethren, and looked on their burdens: and he spied an Egyptian smiting an Hebrew, one of his brethren.

So Moses was a Hebrew, as were Solomon and Jesus, who was also a descent of David. Their descendants are the modern day Israelis.

Ex. 5:1

And afterward Moses and Aaron went in , and told Pharaoh, Thus saith the LORD God of Israel, Let my people go , that they may hold a feast unto me in the wilderness. 2 And Pharaoh said , Who is the LORD, that I should obey his voice to let Israel go ? I know not the LORD, neither will I let Israel go . 3 And they said , The God of the Hebrews hath met with us: let us go , we pray thee, three days' journey into the desert, and sacrifice unto the LORD our God; lest he fall upon us with pestilence, or with the sword. 4 And the king of Egypt said unto them, Wherefore do ye, Moses and Aaron, let the people from their works? get you unto your burdens. 5 And Pharaoh said ,...

There are more conversations between Moses, Aaron and Pharaoh and mentions of Egypt through chapter 14. You can read them here:

Exodus 5 "And afterward Moses and Aaron went in ,..." KJV - Online Bible Study

6 For the Lord had made the host of the Syrians to hear a noise of chariots, and a noise of horses, even the noise of a great host: and they said one to another, Lo, the king of Israel hath hired against us the kings of the Hittites, and the kings of the Egyptians, to come upon us.

Jer. 46:25

25 The LORD of hosts, the God of Israel, saith ; Behold, I will punish the multitude of No, and Pharaoh, and Egypt, with their gods, and their kings; even Pharaoh, and all them that trust in him: 26 And I will deliver them into the hand of those that seek their lives,

Eze. 32:31-32

Pharaoh shall see them, and shall be comforted over all his multitude, even Pharaoh and all his army slain by the sword, saith the Lord GOD. 32 For I have caused my terror in the land of the living: and he shall be laid in the midst of the uncircumcised with them that are slain with the sword, even Pharaoh and all his multitude, saith the Lord GOD.

These are just a sample,there are hundreds more. You can find them by looking in Strong's Exhaustive Concordance under applicable words like Egypt, Pharaoh, Kings, etc.

Read Bible Concordances Online

Some are harder to find as they just mention a battle but only name an Egyptian or ally in the battle, not the pharaoh involved. There are also Egyptian steles which mention their battles with Hebrews like this one;

Merneptah Stele - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

At least one more has been found recently that mentions the Egyptians long-time enemy, the House of David.

But I believe that King Solomon do not write magic books.

Sorry,I'm not sure what you mean here; "magic books"?

Al

Hi CaptainScat;


1. The fact that he quotes The Book of Enoch as a source in the fashion he did implies that he believes Enoch to be the author as the author of the book or books states. If not he is free to say so.

2. The quote from "Enoch" as posted deals with angels as being real. So does the Bible. That is what the discussion is about, not your personal beliefs, or mine either for that matter.

3. Jesus confirmed their existence in Matt. 22:30 and Mk. 12:25 as spiritual beings. That is considered an authoritative source, not to mention the other verses from biblical sources, all of whom are more credible than the so-called "Book of Enoch" authors.

Learning to read and write has never gotten in the way of learning. What they choose to believe of what they read or hear is the problem.

As much as I and others enjoy these discussions I think we are getting to far afield from the topic of this thread.So if any one wishes to continue in this vein I think they should start a new thread to do so.

Al

1. i think you are misunderstanding his beliefs. i read hair's post and nowhere did it give me the idea that he believed enoch was the author. why didn't you just ask him?

2. the book of enoch is a literary device, just like the bible, nothing more.

3. jesus is not an authoritative source except to those that believe in him. the bible is not an authoritative source. it is a literary device. you can't prove with any veracity that jesus ever existed...

i agree, what jesus or the bible claims about fantastical creatures has no bearing on the pyramids, which is why i am refuting that whole idea.

[ANTIQUER]

Schpankme;

As I said to CaptainScat this is not the thread to discuss matters relating to faith or personal belief in that area. Start another thread or revive an older one such as "Bible" and I will gladly discuss it with you or anyone.

Al

[ANTIQUER]

Hi Stealth;

Largest tower crane in the World - 100 tons at 100 meter radius

Still think we couldn't do it?
Two of these placed on opposite sides of the base would lift the heavier stones into place. Then helicopters could easily lift the smaller stones used above 200 ft. and place them. Stepped scaffolding would allow workmen space to stand and work. The casing stones would be applied from the top down as the Egyptians did it.

To quarry the sarcophagus is not that difficult. Nowadays they use wire blades with carbide or diamond coatings which are hundreds of feet long. They leave practically no marks to grind out. The core would be removed in much the same manner as the Egyptians did it, but using modern drills. This is done on the quarry site before removing it, to cut down on the weight. Then transport it to the site you wish to grind and polish it, again using modern grinders and polishers.

The only real problems are the money and the will to do it. Cheops and Khufu did not have those problems, or OSHA looking over their shoulder accompanied by a bevy of lawyers looking for workman comp. claims. etc. etc.

Any expert who says this can't be done today simply means no one is set up to do it on a production basis and has no incentive to do so as there is no other use for the tech. and it would be too expensive for them to set up for one-time use. But it can be done.

If we can put men in space, build the Verrazzano Narrows suspension bridge in N.Y., the Hoover dam, the huge dam complex in Holland, etc., we can certainly build a tall pile of tight-fitting rocks.

Al

[sucahyo]

Can anyone here post the quote from Bible which mention Egypt? What is the nationality of messenger like Moses, Solomon, Jesus, etc. Do they talk with ancient egypt language? Do they ever have war with ancient egypt etc.

If ayone has book link on King Solomon technology or sound/song I would really appreciate it. But I believe that King Solomon do not write magic books.

[Schpankme]

Jesus confirmed their existence in Matt. 22:30 and Mk. 12:25 as spiritual beings. That is considered an authoritative source

[ANTIQUER]

Hi CaptainScat;

cherry picking is what it's called when you pick and choose the parts that suit your argument.

I did not cherry pick anything,I posted his entire quote and the Wiki site where you can check it. It's obvious to anyone who can read that the first two sentences are the subject of his statement; "Cannot swords be turned to plowshares? Can we and all nations not live in peace?". An alien invasion was only an idea that he used as an example of a common cause that would unite the people of Earth resulting in no more war, not that an invasion by ET was coming or that aliens from outer space are among us.

The last sentence makes it clear that the "alien force" is the idea of war between nations which is alien to the wish for peace expressed by most people.

Al

[ANTIQUER]

Hi CaptainScat;


1. The fact that he quotes The Book of Enoch as a source in the fashion he did implies that he believes Enoch to be the author as the author of the book or books states. If not he is free to say so.

2. The quote from "Enoch" as posted deals with angels as being real. So does the Bible. That is what the discussion is about, not your personal beliefs, or mine either for that matter.

3. Jesus confirmed their existence in Matt. 22:30 and Mk. 12:25 as spiritual beings. That is considered an authoritative source, not to mention the other verses from biblical sources, all of whom are more credible than the so-called "Book of Enoch" authors.

Learning to read and write has never gotten in the way of learning. What they choose to believe of what they read or hear is the problem.

As much as I and others enjoy these discussions I think we are getting to far afield from the topic of this thread.So if any one wishes to continue in this vein I think they should start a new thread to do so.

Al