Inertial Propulsion

[elias]

Hello everyone,

I have recently developed interest in inertial propulsion systems, which develop a reaction-less propulsion for space drive. There are various designs, which some of them create an unbalanced centrifugal force for propulsion: JLN Labs - Inertial Propulsion Engine
One of them which seems to work is the Thornson Inertial Engine: The Thornson Inertila Engine experiment by JL Naudin

These systems violate Newtons Third law of motion. This thread may be a good place to discuss and develop such devices, which are a type of "anti-gravity" engines.

One of my recent findings is this patent:
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Elias

[Dingus]

I remember being really interested in the Thornson Engine a two or three years ago. One idea I had, that I wish I could have gotten around to doing was to make a small one with a variable speed, and attach it to a small toy train. (or similar closed-circle-loop track system it can't fall off of) From there I'd slowly tune it until it meets the resonant frequency of the train it's on & see how fast it could go.

[elias]

I remember being really interested in the Thornson Engine a two or three years ago. One idea I had, that I wish I could have gotten around to doing was to make a small one with a variable speed, and attach it to a small toy train. (or similar closed-circle-loop track system it can't fall off of) From there I'd slowly tune it until it meets the resonant frequency of the train it's on & see how fast it could go.

Hello
I don't think that it is a resonant effect, it utilizes the centrifugal force, and makes it unbalanced to achieve a one way propulsion. The force generated is increased by a power of 2 when the speed of rotation increases. The speed of the train should increase until the propulsive force is equal to the total friction. The one Naudin has built has very light and short arms, Thus small amount of propulsion is produced.

[elias]

Inertial Propulsion

This article is from Inertial Propulsion, which discusses the error in Newtonian Mechanics.

Inertial Propulsion

[elias]

Insect Flight

My unconfirmed idea is that some insects use Inertial propulsion for their flight, such as bees.
The movement of their wings with such a high speed about 1000 beats/second produces a unidirectional centrifugal force upward and forward, to propel the bees massive body in comparison to its wings.

Or the unexplained manoeuvres a simple fly can perform in the sky which no human made device can match.

[gyula]

Hi Elias,

Maybe you have not seen these?

Videos for veljko by relevance Best Movies Video Page 1 Cart with a pendulum drive

and http://web.archive.org/web/200612101...vidc/index.htm by David E. Cowlishaw Gyroscopic Inertial Thruster

rgds, Gyula

[elias]

Hi Elias,

Maybe you have not seen these?

Videos for veljko by relevance Best Movies Video Page 1 Cart with a pendulum drive

and Gyroscopic Inertial Thruster:JetLESS drive for circular wing (UFO), & related crafts. by David E. Cowlishaw Gyroscopic Inertial Thruster

rgds, Gyula

Hi Gyula,

I am rather familiar with Veljko Milkovic's two-stage oscillator and yes it can produce a forward thrust, but not an upward thrust, and also as it depends on gravity it cannot be used for applications where "performance" is required.

David Cowlishaw's design is pretty interesting and I think he wants to make an uneven spinning orbit, without re-action forces which prevent it from being operational. His design is complicated and I doubt it works as by now he should have made a small prototype to demonstrate it, as it is about 9 years by now. Or there is a cover-up, who knows.

What I know, is the fact that Thornson device it proven experimentally to work, and the obstacle of "it is not possible" has been lifted, and now we need to find out how to do it efficiently and in a more simple way, and most of all how to do it by using only the energy required to overcome friction, and making the device go beyond unity, and requiring only a little amount of energy to travel.

What we haven't yet understood clearly as human beings is the fact that simple is better and always simpler designs are possible.

Elias

[Dingus]

I don't think that it is a resonant effect, it utilizes the centrifugal force, and makes it unbalanced to achieve a one way propulsion. The force generated is increased by a power of 2 when the speed of rotation increases. The speed of the train should increase until the propulsive force is equal to the total friction. The one Naudin has built has very light and short arms, Thus small amount of propulsion is produced.

While the force is affected by the speed, the speed doesn't need to be constant. Likewise the force it produces also is not constant & only produces thrust in that direction when the arms are outstretched, so it can be pulsed. When pulsed at the resonant frequency of the train it's on it might generate more thrust, similar to pushing a swing in one direction timed correctly.

[elias]

While the force is affected by the speed, the speed doesn't need to be constant. Likewise the force it produces also is not constant & only produces thrust in that direction when the arms are outstretched, so it can be pulsed. When pulsed at the resonant frequency of the train it's on it might generate more thrust, similar to pushing a swing in one direction timed correctly.

Dear Dingus,

I thought that resonance applies to oscillating systems, could you explain more, if I don't get it correctly. I don't think that unidirectional travel has anything to do with resonance, correct me if I am missing something.

Of course, if one looks at everything as a particular vibration, such as speed of an object being a vibration for that object in existence, then to make an object reach a particular speed v, we need not necessarily increment an object to speed v, we need only change the speed vibration of the object and it will speed up instantaneously without experiencing acceleration. Which sounds like engineering the Aether.

Elias

[navigator]

I was glad to see this thread. I have always been interested in classical mechanics and the effects forces of nature can have on objects in motion. We are able to place solid objects in the path of wind and falling water, changing its normal path to harvest kinetic energy and convert it to electricity. If that can be done with air and water in motion, why not mass in motion?

There is a common theme, the path and speed the air/water travels is altered in order to harness the kinetic energy. Same with an inertial thruster. The mass travels much faster and farther in one half a revolution than the other, instead of following a uniform path and speed in one revolution. IMO Its time within time and the key to free energy with solid objects in motion.


The GIT is another type of inertial thruster that uses a spinning ball on a pair of unparallel rails, the narrowest point of the rails being the direction of thrust. Place a GIT in the middle of a gyroscope, mounted so the narrowest point of the rails could be controlled, by a computer while spinning inside the gyroscope, to change the direction of thrust. Then you mount alot of these on the rim of a disc that spins horizontally around a central hub, which is where the control center is located. This could look similar to the many saucer shaped ufos we see portrayed today.

[Cloxxki]

Quick comment to Naudin's Powerball test. I own one, and will state that the device only generates a twist around its central point/axes. If one were to put it on a toy train, it would go no-where, or just fall over. It's a great toy to show how gyros can pick up movement and store it, or twist the heck out of something much heavier.

EDIT to add that I realize my above interpretation pretty much contradicts work I've come across before, where ring spinning inside each other were to cance out gravity. The Powerball has multiple gyros with the same centre, and all it does is jerk. It could aim a satellite, but not change its course.

Naudin shows a Lego interial engine, which on first glace, works. But then, would adding power and spinning weight to this thing, which obviously strengthening the whole unit, allow self-levitation in a vacume?

[navigator]

Hi Gyula,

What I know, is the fact that Thornson device it proven experimentally to work, and the obstacle of "it is not possible" has been lifted, and now we need to find out how to do it efficiently and in a more simple way, and most of all how to do it by using only the energy required to overcome friction, and making the device go beyond unity, and requiring only a little amount of energy to travel.

I think the difference is the TIE uses a pair of mechanics that spin masses in elliptical orbits. One mass spins clockwise the other mass counter clockwise. Together they achieve a directional force when the mass are accelerating, and a balancing effect when decellerating, in one revolution. The fast half of the revolution pushes out and away from itself, while the slow half draws it back and balances the system, instead of pushing away in the opposite direction and comprimising the positive directional force. The mass is changing from potential to kinetic and back to potential energy in one revolution, just like water in a hydroelectric dam or wind through a wind turbine.

Maybe the results of the TIE would have been even better if the masses rotated around the center of the system, instead of on top like a helicopter.

What we haven't yet understood clearly as human beings is the fact that simple is better and always simpler designs are possible.

Elias

I agree, but how many people study classical mechanics these days? It seems to me a forgotten science partly due to the constraints leveid on it by the laws of physics.

If the velocity of the masses increase and decrease, within a constant RPM, is it logical to assume a kinetic energy differential?

My premise is solid objects are the source for mechanical energy. All forms of energy have a source, except mechanical energy. Today, we can only convert other forms of energy into mechanical energy. Any mass has potential energy when still, however the mechanics to put the mass in motion and harness more kinetic enegy, than what is required to mantain the motion, are quite complex.

[Dingus]

I thought that resonance applies to oscillating systems, could you explain more, if I don't get it correctly. I don't think that unidirectional travel has anything to do with resonance, correct me if I am missing something.

The TIE's could create resonance because they do not create a constant thrust. In the videos and animated .gif on this page(not a perfect example) you can see that they appear to vibrate, or jiggle forward. Every oscillation has a frequency. Tesla's "Earthquake machine" consisted of a mechanical oscillator attached to a fixed structure in order to break it. An non-fixed object such as a train on a track would jiggle forward and backwards due to a bi-directional force pulsed at it's resonance. With a unidirectional force pulsed at it's resonance would slowly build speed moving forward, like a swing without gravity pulling it back down.

[elias]

An Experiment that proves the Centrifugal force can move objects forward.

Hi,

Well, in a turning unbalanced rotor, the forces in each direction cancel out but .... depending on where the rotor starts to turn it would cause movement, with acceleration and deceleration:

If the rotor starts moving the system will move and accelerate forward and then decelerate and stop and will again move and accelerate forward, and then decelerate and stop, and this would result in movement in one direction, but this must system must be kept synchronised with the speed of the object to make it go forward and prevent the cancelling force to move it in the opposite direction. If not the movement would turn onto oscillation.

Elias

[elias]

My premise is solid objects are the source for mechanical energy. All forms of energy have a source, except mechanical energy. Today, we can only convert other forms of energy into mechanical energy. Any mass has potential energy when still, however the mechanics to put the mass in motion and harness more kinetic enegy, than what is required to mantain the motion, are quite complex.

I completely agree, that mechanical energy comes from the solid objects and it is drained from the Aether and the Aether from the Source (God) the originator of the Multiverse.

The centrifugal force is what Inertia(A property of the Aether) can manifest as a "real" and very strong explosive force. (The same force the nuclear energy comes from, Uranium enrichment is done by high speed centrifuges)

Rotation is what reveals the power of God, as a Centrifugal force, Now imagine the force F = mv^2/R if the speed v approaches the speed of light. (Unimaginable!?) The fact is as you move further from the axis of rotation the centrifugal force increases linearly. It seems that there is no speed of light bound to rotation.

We have to harness this power with machines such as the Milkovic two stage Oscillator.

Elias