Donald Smith Devices too good to be true

[Dave45]

pulse this

florist wire - copper wire

[Solarlab]

Hi Fellows,

General FYI: After a quick perusal of "a few bits" related to technical information found on this thread; it appears the following might be of some assistance or interest.

1. Google Books has scanned many old, now copyright free, texts that can read on line or downloaded (they are free) [books.google.com].

2. Spark Gap wireless high power Radio Transmitters were used extensively around the late 1800's through the early 1900's. Many excellent technical books were published during this period. Also, medical treatments at that time focused on the use of high voltage and a variety of excellent texts were written on the technical aspects of HV generation.

Anyway, the point being, this free source of great informative only requires the time and ability to read. As you will soon learn; much of what is contemplated and underway here was studied, analyzed, documented and accomplished over a hundred years ago but with differing objectives in mind.

An example link (if it works): An Elementary Manual of Radiotelecgraphy and Radiotelephony by Dr. J. A. Fleming F.R.S. Longmans Green & Co. 1916.

Google Books ( An elementary manual of radiotelegraphy and radiotelephony for students and ... - Sir John Ambrose Fleming - Google Books

|| more | books | search tools | Free Google ebooks | any time ??? | etc... || - you get the idea - also - they provide an excellent "word/phrase" search capability [great job Google]

The list of related books and authors is too large to include here but I guarantee your efforts of discovery will be well rewarded. BTW, the Chaps back then had little or no equipment and there was little or no a-priori knowledge (e.g. early on at least [1850's] spark length and shocks served as their volt meters).. ) Some of things they tried was simply Bizarre for lack of a better term!

Dave

[quantumuppercut]

You are indeed correct.
And i dont say this because i read book's or done some training course in electronic's-i say this because i actualy build the devices,and see the results for myself.
If i pulse a coil with a square wave at a 50% duty cycle ,useing a 12 volt supply-it will draw a set amount of current.
Without changing anything else other than the voltage to a 24 volt supply-the current used is not double that of the 12 volt supply.
Infact it would only be a 70% rise in current total.

I have also carried out this test many time's useing air core coils-and the results are much the same.
So the conclusion must be that resistance rises with voltage in a pulsed coil.

Im not saying any one is wrong in what they say.I am just saying what i have seen with my own eyes.

I don't really see how current did not double. In my opinion, I see two things:

1/ reading error
2/ possibly some current flowing back

[Dave45]

series more voltage
parallel more amperage
one shorted

[mr.clean]

Kurt:
In the last Dunatron video was resonant inverter running on cold electricity from capacitor. The inverter uses push-pull transistors there and 1:1 output transformer to bulb. I also have contact with Dynatron on Skype just in case if you will need something.

Dave45:
In regards to SM TPU you probably would love to see this treasure:

http://web.archive.org/web/20061212232445/http://www.magneticpowerinc.com/mpi-patentapplication.pdf

http://www.thewaterengine.com/pdf/stevenmarktpu.pdf

Cheers!

WoW that is cool you are somewhat close with Dynatron/Destine ! I really would have never-ending questions, but i'll make a list

so his device was actually feeding the inverter it was running on??

and the solid state docs are very cool as well, god what to work on ?

[mr.clean]

series more voltage
parallel more amperage
one shorted

it turning alien hehe im interested to see what happens!!

hopefully today i will have a new core to connect with my metglass amcc-320 core and see what happens !

planning on using an inverter off battery for my 60hz freq, but we'll see how it does, i think its modified sine, so idk, but gonna be fun to find out

[Dave45]

it turning alien hehe im interested to see what happens!!

hopefully today i will have a new core to connect with my metglass amcc-320 core and see what happens !

planning on using an inverter off battery for my 60hz freq, but we'll see how it does, i think its modified sine, so idk, but gonna be fun to find out

I havent had a chance to play with it yet, wound it before work this morning, when pulsed it should pulse the magnetic field which should pulse the electric field which should pulse the magnetic field which, wait how many pulses is that

[boguslaw]

Well.....LaserSaber HAS OU in his last Ringer circuit , it needs only more elements and tweaking....

Diode bridge from fast and low drop diodes maybe in parallel to led bulb to collect the unused energy into capacitor then DC-DC buck converter to move charge to initial capacitor (which however is not the one in circuit ;-) , more later)
I will show you my concept schematic later , however only theoretical one ,ok ?

[T-1000]

WoW that is cool you are somewhat close with Dynatron/Destine ! I really would have never-ending questions, but i'll make a list

so his device was actually feeding the inverter it was running on??

and the solid state docs are very cool as well, god what to work on ?

There are 2 inverters: 300W for flyback circuit and resonant for output circuit. The second is running on cold electricity and in resonant frequency. The incandescent bulb is attached to transformer comming out of that inverter.

[ewizard]

As I said, I was not saying Laser Saber was claiming OU, What I said was it is
implied, and many people are touting his stuff as likely OU. I just said it would
go a long was to dispel the hype or to justify it if actual efficiency figures
were shown, It's not hard to do and is information many think is necessary for
evaluating circuit's.

In all fairness when Zilano posted a picture of Laser Saber's setup and claimed
it was an OU device, somebody asked him and he did set the story straight at
the time.

My Oscillator efficiency test showed 76 % efficiency, or so and I did a
comparison between the scope VRMS measurement and my True RMS DMM
measurement. My upload attempt failed last night I'll try again tonight, I
probably went overboard with the caps and stuff to try to smooth the input
and output, and I went with a battery for a load with a 0.1 Ohm current
sensing resistor. But I believe the measurement is accurate and I am open to
qualified advice and constructive criticisms. I'm no movie maker, or presenter.
But the meat is in the numbers.

I might test some other things too.

Can you show me where I said Laser Saber claimed OU and I will retract it and
apologize. My ego allows me to be wrong and to apologize to people. If I have
inadvertently offended anyone I am sorry. But I have the right to my opinion
if it is not intentionally abusive.

He still avoided the question of the run time at full power concerning the
transistor heating issues, if there is any issue, maybe there isn't, just asking.

Anyway I'm glad you found it funny, it'll be even funnier if I didn't say he
claimed OU. I can't say for sure I didn't, it is possible, but I don't remember.

Some time ago I was asked on this forum which device I thought was the
best for people to build for a useful and efficient setup for lighting.
I recommended Laser Saber's setup back then, even though the ringing noise
would drive both me and my little dog nuts. I thought it was the best efficient
lighting setup to build with the best instructions for building. I guess no one
remembers that. My opinions are unbiased in my opinion.

Laser Saber sets an example of a person who can answer a straight question
asked. People just need to ask.

Cheers

Well I don't want to belabor the point but I only stated that you said people were getting the impression his circuits were OU (or that it was implied) and I said I didn't get that impression. We can all draw our own conclusions but I prefer not to draw conclusions on what other people are thinking.

[mr.clean]

I don't really have too much time for reading through all the older posts in this long thread, so I am wondering did anyone build zilano's Don Smith device, and did anyone get any notable results from doing so? Were you able to get any significant usable power out, or were there any other benefits gained? I am also wondering how close anyone here has come so far with Don Smith devices in general?

i would say this is one of my better performance with the stepdown coils.

(btw i had this idea before i read Zilano's stuff, that stepping DOWN rather than up as in Don's.)

1/4 relationship between L1 being 4 times the length of L2, and L2 is then doubled and parallel.
the full length of both L2 coils is half of the full primary, to be clear

here i tune with LEDs and then show the result of the tune ....
Don Smith Device Project Part 32: Stepdown Coil Tune and Resonance at 53Khz - YouTube

and here i did a minimum run test with 3 watts input.. and the same 20 watt Halogen was blinding...

Don Smith Device Project Part 31: 3 Watts In, 20 Watt Halogen Lit Bright - YouTube

here i do a battery vs system test...
input was 11.25 watts lighting the 20 watt halogen

Don Smith Device Project Part 33: full watt bulb vs Smith stepdown comparison - YouTube

anyway, from many cooked instruments, it fun to just get it to run halogens and see what it can do,
easy low tech stuff, observe reular DC wattage brightness, and match brightness with your system, then check input power

there certainly are explanations for what would explain brightness matching, but bottom line is, its good light, and now i have spark quenched magnetically and encased in PVC actinglike a large Adjustable GDT... and totally quiet now!!

coming soon

[Tinmanpower]

I don't really see how current did not double. In my opinion, I see two things:

1/ reading error
2/ possibly some current flowing back

I wish i had some answers for you quantumuppercut-but i do not.
I can only share what i observe.
Maybe the backEMF could also be seen as a resistance,as it dose resist change within the coil?

[Farmhand]

Efficiency evaluation of an oscillator producing spikes. Roughly 78 % efficient.
Which in my books is pretty good for the device.

Oscillator Efficiency Measurement - YouTube

Test was done with Watts of power. My true RMS DMM showed only a 5 mV
difference in measurement compared to the RMS measurement of the scope, the
scope being more accurate I think.

By arranging the circuit in a different way I can apply my regenerative formula
and measurement procedure and maybe show OU. But if it is real or not is another matter.

Cheers

[Bob Smith]

I don't really have too much time for reading through all the older posts in this long thread, so I am wondering did anyone build zilano's Don Smith device, and did anyone get any notable results from doing so? Were you able to get any significant usable power out, or were there any other benefits gained? I am also wondering how close anyone here has come so far with Don Smith devices in general?

Level, Stoker_x1 claims to have replicated the device. See his post here:

http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/4864-donald-smith-devices-too-good-true-171.html#post193360

Over the following 3 pages, he spells out some of the finer points, however, he clearly states that he used Patrick Kelly's work to guide him.
So it isn't the Zilano version (the way I understand it), but it may be of some help (pp. 170-173)
Bob

[Farmhand]

and built a working device

I would ask some of you to keep your thoughts to yourselves and make life easier for the rest of us. Do some of you work for the power companies?

No evidence and all talk means it is all BS. Anyone can say stuff.

Invoking conspiracy talk and accusing others of working for the power companies spells a paranoid delusional to me.

No evidence means no evidence to show. He a hypist.

These people when asked a valid question simply resort to accusing others of
looking for handouts which is total BS, it is prudent to ask for evidence, it is
silly to just believe anything some hypist says. His purpose was to renew the
wild goose chase. If anyone is working for the oil companies it is guys like him
who just say stuff and provide no evidence. Stoker = Zilano = full of it.

No evidence means nothing to offer but words and opinion.

Cheers

P.S. People keep saying they have built a working device, but without any
evidence it is just words, what do they mean by working. Why not be more
detailed, do they mean it makes a spark and lights a light or do they mean it
produces kilo Watts of extra energy ? A working device could mean anything.
It's another attempt to make it OK for people to make claims with no
evidence. Hypists will continue to do that because that is what they want to
do, make claims but provide no evidence, but for what purpose ?

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