Donald Smith Devices too good to be true

[bbem]

Clemente Figuera

Thanks Patrick and Kurt

Look what Woopyjump has posted:
generador Fiquera approach 1 - YouTube

Bert

[boguslaw]

Patrick

It is absolutely ON TOPIC, because Figuera patent makes void most of other later patents about flux redirection (they cannot state any copyright to the method only to individual embodiment which can always be changed) . Succesful replication of Figuera design will made a change. All later patents would become "positive" , can't be used to block producing ANY device based on the same method, but ALLOW the inventor to be safe from any corporation wanting to stop his attempts (oil cartels). At least this is my personal opinion. As always I'm sure EVERY inventor should be recognized and should get financial reward during the process of commercialisation of device.

[T-1000]

I am a fan of Thane Heins and I understand that he is at present, working with various manufacturers, which is probably why his presentations have been removed from the web.

It is great that Kurt is getting additional output by using Thane's principles. There is an easier way to do that. Attached is information on a simple technique which is completely Lenz-less. It is from a patent more than a century old (the days when a working device had to be shown before a patent was granted). The technique is to separate the primary winding into two parts and drive them with a simple 90-degrees out of phase current. The secondary is placed between the two primaries and no tuning of any sort is needed. It is reported that the inventor Clemente Figuera ran a 20 horsepower motor as part of the load. It looks to be a very interesting design, but my apologies for it being a little off-topic in this forum.

Patrick

generador Fiquera approach 1 - YouTube
Richard Vialle first approach 1 - YouTube


P.S> Sorry for offtopic, could not do not share that

[janost]

Now I'm pissed!
I broke my pocket DSO

[SLOW-N-EASY]

Very very interesting but I see problematic parts. How is SG triggered by 230V ?

Hey Boguslaw

You may be right now that I think about it. Maybe the Connection should be after the transformer and make it a stepup. I didn't really think about that I just thought others might find it useful.

Regards

[SLOW-N-EASY]

Slow and easy you remind me of Kapagen. I have this schematic don't know if you guys saw it:

Hey Gurugi

I haven't seen that schem. But it has just been made aparent to me that the connection to the Kapanadze Coil needs to come after the transformer and the adjat the stepdown to the battery also. But it should work then. I post a correction as soon as I get a chance.

Regards

[Farmhand]

Well first off, all you see is a straight line if you look at DC on Scope, so no help there, and in my last vids, i am putting all power thru fwbr, measuring DC volts after fwbr, and analog DC ammeter is connected after fwbr.

all measurements were performed under load. so where were u?

(and dont give me any HF excuses, there is no interference here making my input "look" lower, and my output "look" higher all at same time )

it sounds like you have a general dislike for Heins, idk about his personal life, but if he is not legit, why is he developping his design and getting professional interest?

if you look thru my early vids,
[url=http://m.youtube.com/?reload=4&rdm=mcy2862nk#/watch?v=7PGOGH12N6E[/url]
i have replicated his peripeteia motor, and it does what its supposed to. at max rpm, with the HV coil engaged, there was a boost of rpm, and a reduction on supply current simultaneously.
only problem is if you run your motor off of variac at half power, instead of DC and PWM, things get warm. AC motors seem to like their full voltage rating.

BUT a good friend and electrical engineer built Thane's motor using DC and PWM and was able to get a runaway effect, while confirming a decrease in input current at fixed voltage.
So all i can say is try harder. i would have vid of it, but the stator came in contact with the rotor at about 4000rpm.... that was that LOL
No big deal, just re-build it. maybe he has

im trying to exhaust the methods of measurement (to find out for myself too)

AND btw....
i dont know what to think when i put all thru FWBR, and measure after fwbr, and run the load...after fwbr. measuring 6 watts input while seeing fully lit 12 watts of bulbs and the DC numbers to go along with it without any particular anomalies....

....then someone says.... you gotta measure the DC ... i kinda have to nod and smile after that having a load smoothes reading like a capacitor. open coils read 611v... that would be the "phantom " reading

39D Don Smith Device Project: BiToroid Resonant Driver, More Measurements - YouTube

And why did the tuning LEDs get brighter on secondary when other secondary went on load? it shouldve shared the power and gotten dimmer... according to the known laws
is there a problem with that "reasoning"?

I don't see any measurement showing more power out than in.

The LED didn't got brighter because the load on the other secondary affected
the LC of the setup and changed the tune. What laws say the LED should get
dimmer ? Big problem with that reasoning yes. I've shown less input drawn
when a load is applied, there is a valid reason for it but it is complicated.

Show me the video where Thane shows more out than in.

The spikes you calculated the power with were less than 100% duty so a
simple volts times amps is no good. Just using a full wave bridge rectifier only
makes pulsed DC not smoothed DC.

Cheers

Here's the thing, if others can claim OU with no real evidence then anyone can dispute the claim with no real evidence either. Fairs fair.

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[SLOW-N-EASY]

Kapanadze Corrections

Hey Boguslaw

I didn't see those problems until you pointed the out. I'm far from an expert on this.

But what do you think about this schem? It should work shoudn't it?

Regards

[Dave45]

Hey Boguslaw

I didn't see those problems until you pointed the out. I'm far from an expert on this.

But what do you think about this schem? It should work shoudn't it?

Regards

L2 will not oscillate your putting dc into it.

[mr.clean]

Hi Mr. Clean
I for one appreciate your commitment to experimenting and sharing.
Screw the ones that try to drag you down whenever you find something interesting.
If you find something that works for you just go with it and if they need proof or theories, let them work it out.
I want to thank you for turning me on to the 432 hz tuning. I have been playing guitar for over 35 years. I could not believe the difference.
Overunity or not if you find something more efficient, it seems to me that is a good thing.
Keep up the good work!

thank you very much everyone, and just keep in mind that these are just beginnings

dude im thrilled you are interested in the 432hz!!
yes its definitely on the top of the awesome list.
Glad to have passed that on i play as well, and have tuned down to 432, i feel it too. and if you vocally sound the A then slide up and down above and below the note, it seems like that 432 A has a peak decibel level, and other tones are not as strong, with the same "input" volume.

anyway very cool,
and there is room for improvements with my work, but it is fun, and i know people are interested

[mr.clean]

I am a fan of Thane Heins and I understand that he is at present, working with various manufacturers, which is probably why his presentations have been removed from the web.

It is great that Kurt is getting additional output by using Thane's principles. There is an easier way to do that. Attached is information on a simple technique which is completely Lenz-less. It is from a patent more than a century old (the days when a working device had to be shown before a patent was granted). The technique is to separate the primary winding into two parts and drive them with a simple 90-degrees out of phase current. The secondary is placed between the two primaries and no tuning of any sort is needed. It is reported that the inventor Clemente Figuera ran a 20 horsepower motor as part of the load. It looks to be a very interesting design, but my apologies for it being a little off-topic in this forum.

Patrick

always appreciate good info, whatever topic

this is very cool about Figuera, looking at it now

and yes, lets just say "additional" power, as clearly there is "something" "added" using the BiTT , whatever it may be

hey regarding permeability and saturation, what happens if i gap the core ?

[mr.clean]

I don't see any measurement showing more power out than in.

The LED didn't got brighter because the load on the other secondary affected
the LC of the setup and changed the tune. What laws say the LED should get
dimmer ? Big problem with that reasoning yes. I've shown less input drawn
when a load is applied, there is a valid reason for it but it is complicated.

Show me the video where Thane shows more out than in.

The spikes you calculated the power with were less than 100% duty so a
simple volts times amps is no good. Just using a full wave bridge rectifier only
makes pulsed DC not smoothed DC.

Cheers

Here's the thing, if others can claim OU with no real evidence then anyone can dispute the claim with no real evidence either. Fairs fair.

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my point is that if the primary is energized, then it will be putting all it can into the one secondary...
and going by the theory of Lenz / Newton etc.. its putting all it can, and there is only so much.

Now add another secondary, going by the theory above, ( that no more energy can be made than the primary is delivering in total watts)
...then the energy should be shared among both secondaries, example:
one bulb lit, add another, it should dim (that was my "reasoning" mentioned before)
you would not expect an enrichment of output at no input cost, BEYOND what was acheived at perfect resonance, as seen in my tuning video. each secondary has its own individual tuning cap bank, and of course the visually obvious extinguishing of primary bulb, indicating less current flowing in primary while secondaries are active...

39C Don Smith Device Project: Bitoroid HV Resonant Drive Transformer Tune and Testing - YouTube

and you mentioned Heins so as far as i can see this would be successful regenerative acceleration with high current harvesting... present day Heins

KERS to KEGS / HERO Electric ReGen-X Scooter Integration Project - YouTube

[gyula]

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hey regarding permeability and saturation, what happens if i gap the core ?

Hi mr.clean,

May I 'chime' in and tell you that a gap made in a previously closed magnetic core reduces permeability and (this way) the chances of saturation will also be much less for the same Amper-turn excitation. So with gap(s) in a toroid core your same number of turns will have less 'L' inductance then before the gap was made.
(This can give you a variable inductance possibility of course if you use different spacer thicknesses in the gap(s) like one layer two layer etc paper or plastic sheet pieces.)
Does this answer your question I wonder.

Gyula

[gyula]

Now I'm pissed!
I broke my pocket DSO

Sorry to hear that but do not be discouraged, think of Santa Claus coming soon in December...and may bring you a better type?

Gyula

[janost]

Sorry to hear that but do not be discouraged, think of Santa Claus coming soon in December...and may bring you a better type?

Gyula

Forget Santa.
I ordered a new one yesterday

Must remember not to connect the new one to something that can generate more than 100v

What broke is the input op-amp but its a surface mount and to difficult to replace.

I also bought one of those DSO-150 with a 2" LCD and dual channel 0-5v input.
Really useless for any serious work but i will shunt it to handle 1Kv input so it can be used to at least show something on high voltage circuits.