Donald Smith Devices too good to be true

[Dwane]

Laminations

Hello,
I have a question regarding grain oriented steel. Where it can favour flux efficiencies. When winding coils for cold energy, e.g. BEMF, to be used with grain oriented steel laminations, will the grain orientation affect the outputs that we might be looking for? I suppose I am concerned that there might be a negative affect.

Regards

Dwane

[Solarlab]

The Point =>

Referencing the book: RF Circuit Design by Chris Bowick, published 1982:

https://archive.org/details/RFCircuitDesign

Recalling a quote from page 13:

"It is often said in the engineering world that anyone can
design something and make it work once, but it takes
a good designer to develop a unit that can be produced
in quantity and still operate as it should in different
temperature environments."

Delete "temperature" in the above and you have a "more" general statement.

As is often [most always] seen in the "free energy" device arena;
- here is my youtube, and maybe a forum discussion of my apparatus,
now everyone {blindly?} go forth and replicate it [given little or no
technical data, except possibly the number of coil turns, FET type,
and a few lit light bulbs], thus {falsely?} proving the concept and theory.

It's a long journey between "fireworks" and "putting a person on the moon!"

The devil is in the [technical] details... a clear and deep understanding of the
complex problem, compiled from {millions?} of inter-related technical details - each
one being a single discovery!

Tesla - my view - great inventor (fully functional brain!) and experimental
physicist; but short on leaving any technical or mathematical detail. Time frame wise
that's understandable although Maxwell, Hertz and others had mathematically
developed theories prior to, and within, the same period.

Making "it" public - conceding that the "human effort" is controlled by a few;
with the availability of the internet and many other avenues of disclosure (media,
publications, contests, etc.); "one keypress" and it's out there, every where, literally
at the speed of light!

Thanks to Everyone for their [technical most of all] contributions...

FIN

[med.3012]

Unfortunately, we still need a properly functioning "human brain" and a great deal of "human effort" to
make it all happen. We shall see...

properly functioning "human brain" already existed for example Nikola Tesla so do we have free energy ? is he the only properly functioning "human brain" ? what happen to other free energy discoveries ?

Tesla didn't know about all these high technical tools that we have today, why he was so genius and very successful in his technical work ?

there's other important Priorities than clean world from wars and pollution etc .. few people control the "human effort" this is why it's still very difficult to make it public !

[Solarlab]

Hi Tswift,
...
I need to structure my approach to this topic in a more systematic manner.
Regards
Dwane

WARNING - just more forum gibberish; contains no real "value added" information )

In reviewing many thousands of "posts, articles and publications" going back "tens of years" relating
to "free energy devices" there is virtually NO detailed "engineering analysis" nor "credible physics" to
be found on this subject. There are a few viable published "postulations" available but these fall short
as well.

Legitimate "appearing to be functioning demonstrations" are also very few; and they do not provide any
degree of verification or in-depth analysis. Although some have been made to work in the lab, all are
ridiculed as "fake" and challenged with absolute lame arguments and, for the most part, simple foolishness.

Mathematics, Physics and Engineering simply does not exist within the "free energy" realm except for a
few very rare exceptions. Without these; we all know this "science" with never go anywhere.

A simple observation - Have you ever seen a detailed Mathematical, MoM/FDTD/FEM "Electromagnetic
Analysis;" or proper functional description; be it graphic, chart or otherwise; of a Don Smith coil or Kapanadze
telescope coil? This primary requirement appears to be "non existent" at the moment; it's complex behavior
and characteristics are still a mystery! This is nothing more than a simple "coil of wire" using an air core!

Experimental developers and physicists are critical to wide spread exposure of "free energy" but to move
forward there must also be a viable process that includes decipherable reasoning, based on disciplined fact.

Fortunately our "tool boxes" are expanding significantly and at a "Moore's Law" rate.
Virtual prototyping CAE, CNC machines for precision coil winding, desktop 3D fabrication, high level
mathematics software, flow chart programming, high speed processing silicone, worldwide parts
acquisition, inter-continental multi-language communication, to name but a very few examples.

Unfortunately, we still need a properly functioning "human brain" and a great deal of "human effort" to
make it all happen. We shall see...

Trick or Treat?

[Dwane]

On a different note.

It is interesting to see the globalisation of product distribution. I keenly observe the jigsaw mat, which you no doubt have others to join onto it to finish the floor covering. Modern minutia!

I know that you will know, regarding cleaning the radiator, "Spirit of salts", the old hydrochloric acid, works wonders. Just in case it slipped your mind!

Regards

Dwane

[tswift]

A little progress today, step by slow step. Grounding bus bar installed and strap run. Next steps will be to solder the ground strap to the radiator and mix the ground enhancement material.

[Dwane]

Hi Tswift,

My apologies for diatribing!! My little mind has been seeking to resolve some of the issues I have been confronted with. The explanations must seem simple in the least. Its when things don't work that the real questions need to be addressed and an attempt at understanding sought.

There has been some excellent replies. I too am awaiting some components to see if my Don device is going to work. Hopefully they might arrive any month now! There are also a couple of experiments in the first section of the McFreey article that might help understanding some of the physics of resonance. There is something annoying about developers such as Kapanadze, with their secrecy. Nearly all of the "Radiant" energy devices are progressive developments. Is it that they seek fame and fortune? Anyway!?!

I need to structure my approach to this topic in a more systematic manner.

Regards

Dwane

[tswift]

Actually, I think I get Don's concept of resonance. The issue lies with explaining it!

You can see that this issue has been one of the biggest stumbling blocks preventing us all from making more progress in this field. Every researcher has their own set of terminology and much of it doesn't seem to correspond between one person and the next. It's a necessary and useful exercise to read and understand the work of all those that have come before us, and yet, it often leaves us more confused than when we started. These days it even happens to me when I go back and read Don's words, because in the same sentence he will mix things that are true with stuff totally out of left field. The problem lies in knowing which is which, and much of that understanding I had to develop through doing my own experiments.

As a point of reference what is the similarities of Don smith and John Bedini?

Aha! Now you're getting somewhere! Yes indeed, studying and understanding these similarities is highly useful, just as it is to study all the different variations that Don presented. Eventually you come to understand that they all do exactly the same thing, just by different methods. They all lead you back to Tesla's radiant energy patents, the arrangement doesn't have to be any more complicated than that to produce the effect. A high voltage source creates a dipole, and the first charge carriers at the reaction end of that dipole take on this radiant character. That's it, it's so simple the mind is repelled. You can use the ionosphere as the HV source and collect "earth energy" as numerous researchers have done (see Patrick Kelly's website for a few), you can use a Tesla coil arrangement as Don did, or you can use the flyback pulse from a coil as Bedini did. Or you can even zap a battery directly from a neon sign transformer as I did, and it will still collect radiant energy. As long as these key elements are present, you will get the results.

I therefore come back to my original post regarding the magnetostrictive nature of Metglass, restricting eddy currents and applying resistance. This is, is it just the electrical component of disturbance that is the key to harvesting the energy? Because, if it is a combination of current too, the process compounds into an energy production. Don suggests binary doublets of electrons, so is it just the voltage devoid of current that should be used? As McFreey suggests in the referenced article above, electrical pressure is altering the spin of the electrical component of Don smith's electron doublets. If so, then the disturbances should be able to be measured with the level of voltage applied.

If you've been experimenting for a while, you know by now that no magic material or combination of materials by itself will produce the results we're looking for. Different materials have different characteristics, some useful like Metglas, but if you feed a Metglas transformer with normal electricity, or put it in a normal magnetic field, you will only ever get conventional results.

The real gain mechanism, the money shot, the one thing to remember and understand, is what Zilano once said. The method is hot to cold, and then cold to hot. It doesn't matter what combination of parts or arrangement you use to achieve this. First you take conventional electricity from some source, and then (because of your deep understanding of the true nature of electricity) you use some clever arrangement of parts to capture some electricity while it's in its cold phase. Then you put this through a transformer or motor, where it isn't subject to normal Lenz's law, and the overunity happens and a large power gain appears.

Hope I have not been too wordy.

Not by me, but by now everyone is probably getting tired of me expounding on my own theories without showing a working device.... Here's hoping that's coming soon. I got the conduit installed through the wall of the shop yesterday and the radiator cleaned with an acid wash. It doesn't actually look that much better, but even dirty metal still has a much higher conductivity than soil and rock. I can't give any kind of time line because I have lots of personal stuff going on, but hopefully before the end of the year I will have results to show.

[Dwane]

Hi,
Actually, I think I get Don's concept of resonance. The issue lies with explaining it! Russell thought the inert gases were his "Zones of Tranquility" areas that enabled large energy capture. Perhaps, his was a similar revelation to that of Don?

My problem at the moment, when I think about it is understanding Don's methodology of producing energy. I cannot see that a power module in itself will resonant. The components contributing to the power module can resonate, which will then create the impression that the module in itself is resonating due to the regularity of the resonant input. Therefore, the input is the area that has to be dissociated with the system. I also get the concept of disturbing the "ambience". Disruption often creates its own level of disturbance. There must be millions of disturbances occurring every hour of every day, not all electrical, but, with a possible electrical outcome.

I can also understand the disturbance created with a HV spark, and how this can alter its surroundings. The real difficulty lies in formulating a hypothesis to explain and test harvesting on a general scale. The other issue associated with this is not to allow other interference from sources that could enter the parameters of the hypothesis due to their own unique conditions. As a point of reference what is the similarities of Don smith and John Bedini? Both use resonance and both use inductance. Both use a pulse system and so it goes regarding the so called zero point energy. The main distinction between these two systems is the level of voltage used, therefore one might be able to conclude that Bedini was also disturbing the "aether".

The disturbance of Bedini is within his system - coils and magnets, the disturbance of Don is external to his system - spark gap in the air. Both generate an increase in energy output. Bedini's appears simple. It is not! Don's appears basic in its presentation. Also, this is not simple. Both systems require a systematic and careful approach to the understanding of the components they use. Therefore, it might be possible to suggest that Bedini is only exciting that energy contained within his components and Don Smith
is disturbing the medium at an intermediary level and then using the components to harvest the energy.

I therefore come back to my original post regarding the magnetostrictive nature of Metglass, restricting eddy currents and applying resistance. This is, is it just the electrical component of disturbance that is the key to harvesting the energy? Because, if it is a combination of current too, the process compounds into an energy production. Don suggests binary doublets of electrons, so is it just the voltage devoid of current that should be used? As McFreey suggests in the referenced article above, electrical pressure is altering the spin of the electrical component of Don smith's electron doublets. If so, then the disturbances should be able to be measured with the level of voltage applied.

Hope I have not been too wordy.

Regards

Dwane

[med.3012]

Just on the Metglass core suggested by Don, - aetheric Generator - would it be fair to state that it would contribute to reduced current flow and thus provide pure pulsed electric flow. Result of which would enhance a magnetic transfer rather than a power transfer?

Regards

Dwane

Hello everyone !



when people asked Don Smith for the name of his device in 1996 Tesla Symposium he said resonance induction system, his system without doubt belongs to magnetic resonance systems as source of unlimited power from the ambient .

Metglass add more magnetic permeability so it's expected for the ambient back ground to push more power, this is one of his various method to access this source, another possibility is to use noble gas as excitement medium for easy power harvesting.

[tswift]

Just on the Metglass core suggested by Don, - aetheric Generator - would it be fair to state that it would contribute to reduced current flow and thus provide pure pulsed electric flow. Result of which would enhance a magnetic transfer rather than a power transfer?

I think the only truly "fair statement" that we can make about this is that Don knew how it was supposed to work and we don't! But I will offer you my take on it. As I have said before, the important thing to study with Don is not the individual DEVICES but the PRINCIPLES. What features do you see in common? Always there is a high voltage source, a capacitance, and an output transformer connected to an earth ground. It's no different with this device, which means the same principles must be at work.

When you zap one plate of a capacitor with high voltage, nature wants to restore the equilibrium, and the opposite plate will try to charge itself by attracting opposite charges from the environment around it. Think back to my dipole diagram, the "reaction" plate of the capacitor has "cold electricity", at least for the first little bit of charge that's drawn towards it. Now, we know since Maxwell amended Ampere's law to include displacement current, that there is indeed a magnetic field associated with charging (or discharging) a capacitor. A small pickup coil, even a single wire loop, placed near the "reaction" plate of the capacitor will see this (I am pretty sure, although I haven't tried it!). All Don is doing is magnifying this effect by using metglas with its super-high permeability. It's the same principle as an AM loopstick antenna, using the magnetic field component of an EM wave instead of the electric field as most antennas do. There is nothing new or revolutionary about this, it's already being done in every AM radio. What is different is, just as Don showed in the tabletop demonstration by zapping one plate of a capacitor, you get COLD ELECTRICITY between the other plate and ground, and this you can use to get a power gain by putting it through a transformer. The metglas core is picking up this magnetic field, but it's not just a normal magnetic field, it's this magical time-reversed, phase-conjugate, radiant energy, cold electricity stuff. It's still a magnetic field but since it acts like it's time-reversed, we can draw excess power from it in violation of the second law of thermodynamics.

[Dwane]

Metglass

Just on the Metglass core suggested by Don, - aetheric Generator - would it be fair to state that it would contribute to reduced current flow and thus provide pure pulsed electric flow. Result of which would enhance a magnetic transfer rather than a power transfer?

Regards

Dwane

[p75213]

I did a quick search and come up with this: http://www.free-energy-info.tuks.nl/McFreey.pdf

Haven't had a chance to read it yet but it looks interesting.

[p75213]

If this happens to a large enough degree, I expect it will cause the phenomenon known as "cold melting" or the "Hutchison effect", and your transformer core will melt into a puddle of goo even though it never got hot at all.

That sounds like nuclear magnetic resonance.

All atoms have a nuclear magnetic resonance frequency. This is a frequency the atoms of an element will resonate at if it is applied to that element. Isotopes within an element group will have a different frequency than the base element.

If you use a transmitter to hit specific elements with a specific frequency, you can cause the atoms of that element to move a LOT more than they normally would at whatever temperature they happen to be at. And since increased temperature equals increased atomic movement, applying a frequency to an element that causes it to resonate will simulate the effects of heat, without actually getting it hot. It is possible to cold melt elements this way if the applied frequency is strong enough.

[tswift]

There are also some other factors to consider, since we're dealing here with both standard transformer design (which is well-studied and all the design calculations are known) and overunity (when we finally make it work right) which is non-standard, not well studied, and we're mostly shooting in the dark.

When everything is working right, the special radiant/cold electricity causes Lenz's law to no longer apply the same way in the output transformer, so the overunity gain appears in the transformer itself. We know from the few examples of working devices that it will get COLD instead of HOT, but where exactly does this happen? Is it in the core material where the magnetic field exists? Is it the secondary winding itself where the overunity power is being drawn?

We have at least a few more hints to go by. Floyd Sweet once wrote that due to the cooling effect, a transformer could handle 10 times more power than the usual rating. So whatever the current rating of the secondary wire (amps per unit area), it can be increased and probably by a large factor. Also, in a normal transformer design the weight of the wire ends in the primary and secondary end up being similar because the power in watts is very nearly the same. But what if the primary is being fed with 10 watts and the secondary is carrying 1000 watts of power? Imagine a 1:1 ratio transformer, just an isolation transformer as Don refers to occasionally. Normally the windings would use the same size wire, but if there's overunity gain in the equation then the primary wire could be tiny and this would leave more winding area for even bigger wire on the secondary.

Even with overunity, there are still practical limits to how much power can be drawn from the secondary. Since the current in the secondary can be greatly more than the current in the primary, we are totally changing the normal magnetic field inside the transformer core. Normally in a transformer, peak oscillating flux happens at IDLE, with no current being drawn from the secondary. As the secondary current rises the net flux in the core DECREASES. With overunity in the mix, what I would expect is that as the secondary current rises, the net flux in the core decreases so much that it goes to zero at some power level, and then REVERSES at power levels beyond that. You can keep drawing more and more power and send the core into saturation and beyond because the normal limits don't apply. If this happens to a large enough degree, I expect it will cause the phenomenon known as "cold melting" or the "Hutchison effect", and your transformer core will melt into a puddle of goo even though it never got hot at all.