Simplest Solid State Tesla Switch!

[SeaMonkey]

I am copying also the .asc model file for my latest transformer version.

I've just discovered your Simplest Solid State
TS (transformer) circuit diagram.

[Screenshot attached as thumbnail]

Just this afternoon I was 'doodling' with paper
and pencil and came up with a strikingly similar
version! Questions have come up on the
'other thread' regarding a solid state implementation
so we've been collectively working towards a
solution.

With some time to kill I decided to peruse the
forum Index in order to see if there were any other
topics of interest and stumbled into your thread
here.

We agree on the number of MosFets and the
manner in which they must be driven as
'floating' switches. I notice however, that
you've used a mix of P-channel and N-channel
to manage the switching scheme. I've used
all N-channel in my version.

I notice you're using transformer coupling to
drive the MosFet gates. Do you plan on
driving the gates with a single pulse signal
rather than 'complementary' signals devoted
to the two separate 'groups' of MosFets?

I'm unclear on interpreting the construct of
your driver transformer, or transformers.
Are you using several transformers or are
you using a single transformer with multiple
secondary windings? It appears that it is
a single transformer...

What provision do you plan to incorporate for
're-setting' the core magnetism between
drive pulses? Possibly C2 is the means?

Your output line contains the two series
capacitors C4 and C5 (100 uF each) which
apply alternating current to the load.
What is the intended purpose of the
capacitors?



Have you yet constructed the circuit to
evaluate its operation?

By the way, congratulations on arriving at
the simplest circuit configuration! It's a
great mental exercise.

[Aromaz]

About Patent rights

A short essay about patents and their rights. Something few people know or understand.

In each and every country in the world where there is a form of patent rights there is also a time restriction for those patents to be valid. In the case of USA. UK, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, Isreal, Taiwan and South Africa; all underwriting the same patent applications:

In these countries a patent is issed for a period not exceeding 20 years; from the date granted. Even so, there is an initial fee and an periodical fee to maintain such patent. On some items like medicine, the maximum period is often 5 years.

If the periodical maintenance fee (usually every 3 years) are not paid, such patent rights are void from that due date. Further; it is for the owner of the patent to police his rights at his own cost; nobody else can, will or are alowed to do so.

An application for 'International patent" is just that. It allows the applicant some form of protection while his application is under consideration. BUT - he still need to file applications IN EVERY COUNTRY seprately - within 6 months after issue in original country.

Thus an patent issued in the USA but not completed in other countries are not valid in any such country. So if I apply for a patent in USA, it is granted and I then apply for the same in say 20 other counties whom all should approve; then there are still 170+ countries where my patent is non existing; and anybody in such country can in fact copy, produce and make money out of my patent.

A calsical case in our realms is that of John Bedini - with USA patent and only international applications which was valid for 6 months......Thus JLN labs had no restrictions in France to copy, produce, sell any of his work.

Then there are countries like most of South East Asia that requires for any patent holder to actually manufacture their product within the country within 6 months of granting the patent, else such patent is void.

Again here is a good example: Microsoft does not need to produce their packages in more than only USA - it is easy to mass produce and ship anywhere in the world. Yet they have more than 72 production facilities worldwide. Until 2002 MS products were freely copied in Asia; not much could be done; but since they are now actually registering copyrights AND producing the produce in each of these countries, it is more difficult to get illegal copies; and police are getting much more income!

So in short:
To protect your design, you will in effect have to apply for patent in each and every one of 196 countries world wide; and you will have to comply with the restrictions in each of those countries - i.e. local production.

In fact; very few (as in estimated 3%) of all USA patents are registered in more than 10 countries! None in 196 countries! Further, less than 37% of all USA patents are maintained longer than 12 years.

As for Bell and Transistor; I doubt that they were in fact granted a patent. If there was something similar, it would be dated before 1950 - therefore long time expired. One of the conditions for a patent is that is has to be original: Bell Labs was not the original idea of the transistor - actually the transistor dates back to a patent issued to J.E. Lilienfeld in 1925 from Canada. Because that patent was only Canadian, and it anyway expired before 1945 .........

One last thing: Patents are only issued to the actual human beings involved in the original design. Never to a company. Such person can assign the patent to their company/employer - but they remain the patent holder. When they die, their patent rights also die; and even the assignee can not enforce the patent.

[lanenal]

Rectified: I will build one when I get the skill, time and resource. Probably will also try other simpler projects to get more experiences first. As for the transistor, I just remember I read somewhere recently, and I googled it, but no luck of finding it again. Anyway, here is the link to the scientist I refered to: Lilienfeld. You can also find something about that in wikipedia.

[Rectified]

Xenomorph
The statement made by Lanenal himself #25
As for the title, it is meant to attract eyeballs. You won't know exactly what I will say until you actually read the whole post. So please don't judge by the title alone."Simply be able to do so with the circuit posted under that title? Or would he think he never will be able to understand this stuff, if this is what others call Simple? I would also advise my grandson if he were to put a circuit on the Internet called Simple

[lanenal]

Hi Rectified:

Why not think in a more positive light? Since everybody is limited in one way or another, but everybody also has some unique gift, so how about some cooperation through the Internet, some kind of adventure that everybody participates, and once we reach the destination, what we found is unselfishly shared with all human kind? Would not that be thrilling?

BTW, one small thing: transistors are usually mistaken to be invented by the Bell labs in 1940's, but way back in 1920's, a Canadian scientist already patented it. For that reason, the patent by Bell labs was later revoked.

[Xenomorph]

when a title or claims are made intentionally to draw others in

The claim you made for your circuit, all though well intended, will be less offensive to some, once you perfect the circuit you propose

WHERE HAS LANENAL EVER MADE ANY CLAIMS PEOPLE ???

Point out the specific post please ! Do not project something that is not there.
He has only stated that he works on the simulation of a simplified Tesla switch, not more not less.
Compared to previous Tesla switch circuits (Bedini/Brand) this is indeed simpler.

And i agree realizing this in the real world takes a lot of try and error. But if someone has nothing better to do, then why not.

[Rectified]

[Xenomorph]

Nice one.
Hehe i have been silly, i ran the simulation for a while with a battery voltage of 10 V to see if LTspice can simulate a cold charge, but "surprisingly" the battery voltage stayed constant. Maybe in version 5

[lanenal]

Thanks for pointing that out, Xenomorph. It turns out that can be replaced by 'u'.
I corrected that in my post already, should have no problem anymore.
In that version I also added a few labels to points of interest for measuring voltages.

@Lanenal: Thanks!

For anyone who wants to try this and cant get it to work.
The micro-character got lost in the ASCII copy-paste process.



You have to replace the with the micro-character in LTspice.
That is for all capacitors in the microfarad range.

[Xenomorph]

@Lanenal: Thanks!

For anyone who wants to try this and cant get it to work.
The micro-character got lost in the ASCII copy-paste process.

SYMATTR InstName C1
SYMATTR Value .1?

You have to replace the

?

with the micro-character in LTspice.
That is for all capacitors in the microfarad range.

[lanenal]

simulation with transformer

I am copying also the .asc model file for my latest transformer version. Just copy and past into a text editor and save as "TeslaSwitch.asc". Hopefully this will work. My simulation result is attached. You can get LTspice free.

Version 4
SHEET 1 1188 824
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WIRE 304 112 272 112
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WIRE 592 304 560 304
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WIRE 480 432 336 432
FLAG 304 128 0
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FLAG 560 48 Gru
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SYMATTR Value 12
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WINDOW 3 3 101 Left 0
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SYMATTR Value 12
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WINDOW 39 -7 -5 Left 0
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SYMATTR Value 12
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SYMATTR Value AO6407
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SYMATTR Value AO6408
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TEXT 536 440 Left 0 !.tran 0 .1 0 .0001
TEXT 32 480 Left 0 ;Simple Solid-State Tesla Switch, by lanenal, Feb. 10, 2009
TEXT 560 368 Left 0 !.param G 50m
TEXT 504 408 Left 0 !K1 L1 L2 L3 L4 L5 1

[sucahyo]

Thanks for the explanation, I will learn how it work.

[lanenal]

@sucahyo

I think you are right about 4 steps. but not sure what you mean by 'line'? I guess you mean substituting the MOSFETs by switches? Anyway, here are the description:

The sequences are, as I understood it (but correct me if I got it wrong):

1. the pulse voltage Vp is at zero, which is much lower than the reference voltage Vr: M1 open, M2 and M3 closed, so V1 and V2 are connected in parallel; M4 closed, M5 and M6 open, so V3 and V4 are connected in series.
Result: the left end of the load is at 12V, and the right end of the load is at 24V.

2. the pulse voltage Vp is at 6V (when it rises from zero to 12V, usually in nanoseconds), which is very close to the reference voltage Vr: M1 open, M2 and M3 open, so V1 and V2 are NOT connected; M4 open, M5 and M6 open, so V3 and V4 are NOT connected (NOTE: NOT connected can be read as having a very very high resistance, say in 1000 mega-ohms).
Result: the left end of the load is going from 12V to 24V, and the right end of the load is dropping from 24V to 12V.

3. the pulse voltage Vp is at 12V, which is much higher than the reference voltage Vr: M1 closed, M2 and M3 open, so V1 and V2 are connected in series; M4 open, M5 and M6 closed, so V3 and V4 are connected in parallel.
Result: the left end of the load is at 24V, and the right end of the load is at 12V.

4. the pulse voltage Vp is at 6V (when it falls from 12V to zero, usually in nanoseconds), which is very close to the reference voltage Vr: M1 open, M2 and M3 open, so V1 and V2 are NOT connected; M4 open, M5 and M6 open, so V3 and V4 are NOT connected (NOTE: NOT connected can be read as having a very very high resistance, say in 1000 mega-ohms).
Result: the left end of the load is dropping from 24V to 12V, and the right end of the load is going from 12V to 24V.

Then it repeats itself, going back to 1.

No one ever build it with three battery?

I don't know how to read the diagram.

Question:
@lanenal, can you replace the MOSFET with line? So, if there are 4 sequence then can you show 4 picture with different line?


@all
anyone ever made the battery switching different from battery pulsing? I am thinking to reduce batery ON time when all that we need is coil shut off spike.

[lanenal]

Xenomorph: Thanks for your encouragement! I am OK though, Joit is not completely negative, his emphasis on experiment is quite constructive.

lanenal

Just keep on flaming here guys, that way we will never soon realize a solid state tesla switch effort.
I still dont understand the amount of negative feelings towards lanenal.
If he would be frustrated now and keep on working in his own without posting here it would be thanks to people like Joit depreciating his benevolent input.
I can only encourage lanenal to continue sharing his findings without becoming a victim of psychopathic frustrative projections with no constructive intent.

[sucahyo]

For the tesla switch to do what it is supposed to do you have to connect two of the batteries in series and at the same time connect the other two in parallel. This means that the switches have to follow a certain sequence when they are energized.

No one ever build it with three battery?

I don't know how to read the diagram.

Question:
@lanenal, can you replace the MOSFET with line? So, if there are 4 sequence then can you show 4 picture with different line?


@all
anyone ever made the battery switching different from battery pulsing? I am thinking to reduce batery ON time when all that we need is coil shut off spike.