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[DavidE]

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof.

In this regards, Imhotep and others have been excellent shepherds of the movement. Easy to replicate fundamental schematics. Moderate claims, extraordinary proof.

As forthcoming as AC has been, the standard in this community is admirably high.

Listen, if Nat can show us his toilet coils... surely AC you can show us a glimmer of your child.

The radiant one

[Tehnoman]

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The magnetic field energy is provided by energy external to the conductor and it's energy flow which makes perfect sense when you consider permanent magnets. Many people have wondered how a PM can maintain it's field for hundreds of years, this is because the magnetic field is a property of the space surrounding the magnet and not the magnet itself, the magnetic energy is in the surrounding space not the magnet itself ---- this is why a PM's magnetic field will remain stationary as a PM is rotated.
Regards
AC

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All I am trying to say is he needs to put his stuff into the light of theory, or show somthing. In MY very best and educated opinion he does not understand the tesla switch. In his theory he disregards the exchange of energy with the enviroment. Which is the key to any device that is COP>1 to self powering.
So now I have to question his schematic. And all I am saying is he could reenforce his theories by showing some operation. Or just say its pure theory.

Matt

Well, I tend to disagree. He only said, that energy from vacuum is coming through magnetic field, not that there is no exchange of energy between system and active environment. His assumptions could and could not be true. I don't know, but I will test these ideas when I will be able to do so.

Yet I would like to say, that there is one circuit in active use, that isn't wasting this energy going back from coil to electric system - LC resonance circuit. Easy to build, easy to test. If the theory about that coil is the key element of extracting energy from vacuum, with LC resonance circuit we could test it.

[captainpecan]

You are exactly right. Thank you for posting this thread, it's nice to see someone else who see's the fact that the electrical energy ran through a circuit, is not getting USED UP. The only reason it disappears from the circuit is because of design flaws in the circuit, heat loss, and resistance. Conservation of energy is exactly that, we've got to stop throwing it away and recycle it!

[gmeat]

Sep,


How are you controlling the switching and could you post a schematic?.Thx



-Gary

[Sephiroth]

can't post a schematic at the moment as I am trying several different methods at the same time. The simplist way to do it is with two solid state bedini oscillators for the primary inductive loads, and a standard brushed 6-12v dc motor (not a computer fan) as the charging load.

but as i said earlier there is something missing that would make it a true 1 battery tesla switch and matt has has hit the nail on the head. discharge - rest - charge.

the circuit in its current form doesnt have this cycle as the charge is constantly returning to the source, and also cycling back into the occilators. This is interesting because the circuit continues to oscilate for about 30 seconds after the battery has been detached! Inductance = Inertia

however, i am trying an adaptation that seperates the charge/discharge cycle and provides a moment or rest in between. I am doing this with a self oscillating double throw relay rapidly switching between powering the first inductor and the charging the battery. harder to tune the frequecy this way so I am still working on it! a few other cunningly placed diodes are also needed.

But I have all weekend to fiddle with it now

[Matthew Jones]

At least someone got somthing outa my babbling.

Matt

[Allcanadian]

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[Allcanadian]

@Matthew Jones
You may find this odd but I agree with you 100%, I think we may be talking about the same thing from different perspectives. But I think there are many ways to skin a cat and we should always keep our options open. The Tesla switch is a bit off topic but the process I think is exactly on topic.
Tesla,Maxwell and Amphere all stated that in most all respects we can consider electrical systems to have the same attributes as mechanical ones, that is the behavior would seem very similar. Tesla compared an Inductance to a mass and capacitance to a spring and this LC system is known to form oscillations within itself when intermittent force is applied. If we consider the Tesla switch we can say we have a mass(L) inbetween two springs(C), if force is applied the mass would oscillate between the springs in a know way we are all familiar with. In this respect we have always considered the propertries of the system static and only energy would seem to move in the system, but is this true?. Consider what might happen if the mass(L) were to compress a spring(C) on one side, we know the outcome after compression--expansion and oscillation but what if we could change the outcome. That is once the spring(C) was compressed we changed the stiffness of the spring ( C). This stiff spring would then accelerate the mass faster than expected, this stiff spring could also allow a pressure wave through itself with little resistance because it's resilient properties have changed. I have found the moment we consider both inductance and capacitance values to be variable and understand how one could change these values, then the system attributes change completely.
As well what if the value of the mass(L) changed prior to,during or after compressing the spring(C).

@Sephiroth

the circuit in its current form doesnt have this cycle as the charge is constantly returning to the source, and also cycling back into the occilators. This is interesting because the circuit continues to oscilate for about 30 seconds after the battery has been detached! Inductance = Inertia

Your the man when the oscillations form a series of non-stop oscillations independent of the source I think you will find things are going to get very weird very fast.

@captainpecan
We have a winner, I would agree 100%.

@All
I think it's also important to consider that when the source/load are centered within and around each other then any gain with be instantly destroyed. We must change the variables and seperate/isolate the energy gain before this reaction can take place.

Best regards
AC

[Allcanadian]

@Broli

But it's true. Why is every question about data being evaded by "prove it yourself" talk? How are you supposed to cooperate like this.
The theory is all nice and diddly but I don't think many people care about that. Sorry AC but you need to be a little cooperative and a bit less mysterious.

LOL, I cannot presume to know anything for certain, how could I when It would seem that some of the greatest minds(Tesla,Moray etc...) tell me my reality is an illusion? I cannot prove anything to you anymore than I can prove anything for myself. In all honesty I have very little or no data, data means nothing to me as it has no bearing on what I seek, I do not mean to succeed--I mean to understand. I prove concepts by experiment, note the effects produced in my journal and move on--there is no data persay, if the COP is proven as 2 then it is noted and that is all.

The theory is all nice and diddly but I don't think many people care about that

And that is a shame, when did people stop wanting to understand the world around them? and when did they decide they know everything? I wish I had their confidence but I do not, the most I could hope to do here is offer some guidance the rest is up to you.

[broli]

AC a lot of people are simple minded including me. The first thing I was looking for was a part list to duplicate and experience what you're talking about, but didn't find any. Theories are good for camp fire stories but unlike the campfire it won't warm me up during winters .

I don't look at understanding nature, everyone seems to have his own vision as an inventor. I look at how I can make use of nature, and that's done through experimenting and data collecting imo.

[ren]

So it would appear that the switching between S1 and S2 should be out of phase with each other. In the doc you say "In many cases
depending on the value of C1 the switching rate of S2 must be substantially
higher than S1." ..implying that multiple discharges back into the battery happen to one impulse of s1.

@All
I think it's also important to consider that when the source/load are centered within and around each other then any gain with be instantly destroyed. We must change the variables and seperate/isolate the energy gain before this reaction can take place.

Best regards
AC

I know you arent a fan of electronics AC, so did you use commutation for switching?

[ren]

Thats funny thing you brought up about the tesla switch. You make it sound like you figured it out. I think (just my opinion) your definition missed the ball.

The capacitor doesn't have anything to do with the charging of the batteries in the case of a Tesla Switch. In fact your charging rate is reduced from the capacitors. The capacitors are put inline to reduce the strain on the batteries.

The charging of the batteries is a condition within battery that the circiut induces. Turning the load on turning it off then slamming with higher voltage.
The induces a condition that draws non divergent energy into the battery and allows it to be condensed into useful power. You don't need a motor to make this happen. You dont need any magnetic device in the system. You just have to stay off the ground even for switching.

I am in agreement with some of these people NOW. Maybe you should show some test results or a video of at least one working device. Not to prove concept, but to add credentials to what you say. Up until now I was struggling to follow the conversation, but you went and dragged in the Tesla Switch and missed, BAD!

Matt

@ Matthew and AC. I can see how these two points can both be one. Matthew, you describe the capacitance as being there to put less strain on the batteries. AC would perhaps say that it is compression and decompression at play, but either way capacitance plays a vital role in the systems design, even if it simply be the capacitance of the windings. You say its there to put less strain....how does it put less strain, what does it do to the energy it is given Matthew? What sort of action would it impose upon the circuit in general?

Switching is vital of course, it is the means to provide this action/reaction within the circuit.

[Matthew Jones]

You say its there to put less strain....how does it put less strain, what does it do to the energy it is given Matthew? What sort of action would it impose upon the circuit in general?

I was refering the Tesla switch he made comments on, not his device in case their was a confusion there.
The Capacitors in a tesla switch smooth the current coming out of the motor.
See attached Photo of scope shot. And for a little proof it came from Tesla Switch thats the other photo

This very messy wave form is not bad for the batteries until you get into higher voltages, or your batteries start to expand into the 14 - 15 volt range. At this point they boil easily.
The capacitors shown circiut in the "Practical Guide to Free Energy" By Patrick Kelly chapter 6 page 25 are only in the system to smooth out the wave form. That is one of the primary jobs of the capacitor in a circiut.

You don't need them, they just reformat the wave, from alot of jaggid spikes to smooth pulses of current. They are simply in there to expand the life of the battery. Nothing Else.

We are not talking about the same thing. His Idea of how they work is wrong. They work more like monopole than anything else. The circiut itself is is designed to put the battery into a self charging mode. The energy from the shaft of the motor (Or whatever you chose as a load) is simply a byproduct that is useful. The inductive or capacitive energy make no difference. How the battery receives the current is the key.

I can reference "Energy from The vacuum" TE Bearden. Chapter 5 page 264 Section titled Evoking the Intitial Bedini Negative Resistor effect.
And the following 3 sections. I'll leave it to you to read.

His explaination of how bedini puts a battery in to self charging mode is the same effect you'll see in the Tesla Switch, if you watch it.

This is not simple storage flip flop. 1/2 of a tesla switch will not produce this effect.
Alot more goes on than you would expect. The most evidence I seen that the battery is in self charging mode, when the current stops in the circiut the batteries continue charge for hours even days after. With no heat.

And again this can happen with or with out the capacitors. With or without a motor present. You just nedd a rapid discharge, offtime, charge, and repeat again with the right voltages.

Matt

[elias]

Thanks

Hi AC,

I appreciate your work. I have experimented with similar circuits to yours in the past year. You seem to be "splitting the positive" by using capacitors and preventing the charge to be wasted, you have a slightly different approach, I might test it in the following days. But if you'd share your results it would be quite heartwarming for us, because I have not "seen" any excess energy in these systems. But i intend to replicate your design too.

BTW, I loved your analogy about the HHO thing! It makes sense. But it is slightly different from the designed circuit in operation I suppose.

Good Luck
With Gratitude
Elias

[Allcanadian]

the wave

@Matthew Jones
I have found many times I have produced effects or results but I never understood the true nature of the effects. From your scope shot alone I can tell you that you have produced some effects but these are not the effects you want.

We are not talking about the same thing. His Idea of how they work is wrong. They work more like monopole than anything else. The circiut itself is is designed to put the battery into a self charging mode. The energy from the shaft of the motor (Or whatever you chose as a load) is simply a byproduct that is useful. The inductive or capacitive energy make no difference. How the battery receives the current is the key.

Wrong is a matter of perspective I think Like two men dying of thirst in a desert who start to fight over who will take the first drink from a well they have just stumbled upon,crazy, absurd---yes but they will do it anyways.
The inductive and capacitive energy make all the difference!
If you only knew how easy this was I think you would have a very different opinion. Here is the wave form you are looking for, you will notice there are "two" distinct currents, when you understand "why" this is ---your tesla switch can be made to produce 100 times more power. I will let you think about this a bit before I give you the answer, I believe Sephiroth may have found part of the answer already.