The Dipole

[EgmQC]

@bobo36us

The question I would ask is why? What is it you expect to gain from pulsing a large coil? If there was a gain in energy what is the mechanism for this gain? If I had to guess I would say the very long conductors produces a time delay between the energy entering the wire and leaving, this time delay produces capacitive effects between the conductors. In which case you may be right Take a very large coil and pulse it with fast rising and falling (impulsive) potentials. The higher the potential voltage the larger the capacitive effects, so the qualities of the current applied and the properties of the circuit will determine the effects produced.

I dont think a bigger coil is a solution to have more radiant, if you double the coil it will need more current so at the end you have nothing more, just larger scale.The coil itself need a improvement, Tesla had a solution to that, look at this http://www.freeenergynews.com/Direct...EN_BIFILAR.jpg

Best Regards,
Eric

[bobo36us]

Don't shoot the messenger........lol

Allcanadian............you asked "If there was a gain in energy what is the mechanism for this gain?" The mechanism is the larger coil itself.

A small copper coil weighing only 1/4 pound will make a much smaller disturbance in the radiant energy field than a 10 pound coil will. Joe Newman refers to it as pounds of atoms instead of coils. For example, he will refer to 1/4 pound copper coil as 1/4 pound of atoms, and a 10 pound copper coil as 10 pounds of atoms. This much you probably agree with.

The "gain" comes in the fact that when you pulse both coils with the exact same amount of current, the larger coil will extract much more radiant energy for useful work.

Did you click on the link and read the page? (It is a 20MB file, so please allow time to load). Do you not believe Joe Newmans conclusion? Isn't his theory really kind of similar to the rotary attraction motor? (as far as performing useful work and returning the potential back into the battery)

Example: On Page 25 of this document http://free-energy-info.co.uk/Newman1.pdf Joe Newman states that if we take an air coil of 40 gauge wire , 1000 feet long, and having a resistance of 1,049 ohms, then pulse a 100 Volt, 95 Milliamp current to it, that the resulting inductance would be .003 henries. No big deal, right?

But then he goes on to say, that if we take that same 100 Volt, 95 Milliamp current and put it into a much larger coil, say 5 gauge wire, measuring 3,348,000 feet, to EQUAL the EXACT same resistance as above of 1,049 ohms, that the inductance is now a phenomenal 8,000,000 times greater, or a whopping 25,700 Henries!

Wouldn't this help explain how Joes 3 ton machine runs on just a few watts? And how he can power a full size pick up, and have the batteries read a higher voltage after driving than before?

Here's a better question, can anybody DISPROVE Joes comments?

[Sephiroth]

what you said above appears to be incomplete... it doesn't matter how long the wire is or what guage it is or what the resistance of the coil is. What is important is the number of turns.

[ren]

what you said above appears to be incomplete... it doesn't matter how long the wire is or what guage it is or what the resistance of the coil is. What is important is the number of turns.

Number of turns is important, but all the other factors above effect the equation too I think. They should not be turned aside when considering the inductive qualities of your coil.

And I dont think "pay" for higher inductance is the right word, I think you WANT it in certain places/configurations. AC says "The inductive discharge can add to the input or it can stop the input current or both producing a true self-oscillating circuit."

[Allcanadian]

@sephiroth
I think it depends on the nature of the applied current, in some cases my "coil" is a single turn primary of 1" wide flat copper strip wound over maybe 40 turns of the same material. A low potential DC current has literally no effect on the secondary while a high potential impulsive discharge produces large effects at the secondary. In this case the turns ratio has very little to do with the discharge on the secondary, the effect is a product of surface area. If you are refering to conventional AC current then yes the turns ratio is important, I think it is almost impossible to make any correct generalized statements about coils without first considering the properties of the coil relative to the quality of applied current.

[bobo36us]

So you all disagree with Joe Newman?

You do not believe that such a large inductance can be created with just 100 volts and 95 milliamps?

[SkyWatcher]

I believe

Hi folks, hi bobo. I agree that a larger magnetic field exists when more mass of copper is used at same resistance. Why some folks here cannot see this could be because some dont want to see it and I will not go into the many reasons there could be for that because I would like to move forward with as many of humanity that wish to, into a world of abundance and true freedom. Sometimes I wonder if people on this forum truly get it, that all the technology we need is here already and those that wish to dominate in conjunction with the peoples ignorance prevent this, though these days the ignorance is growing less due to better access to information. when anyone on this thread or forum claims something will not work without giving some factual experimental accounts is suspect of jumping to conclusions or worse. Anyway, I built a newman type motor with 24awg wire with 2 giant coils on top of each other. w/ 16 1" x 3/4" neo magnets aligned on shaft, so 8 per side. and yes magnetic field was powerful. each coil was 100 ohms so thats 5 lbs. each. it used copper pipe comm. and I was able to route the collapse back to the front end into a cap. torque was pretty good and there was a noticeable reduction in input routing it back to input although not designed probably as well as Newmans to actually gain charge above start voltage on input. So maybe more copper was needed although i think proper design comm. would do the trick. So the question at hand is solid state without permanent magnet cemf. now that is something i have not tested yet and I wonder what wrapping that 10 lbs around a car would do or around a heap of iron or steel. Will be testing these things i can assure you.

Peace, Love, Light

[Sephiroth]

Number of turns is important, but all the other factors above effect the equation too I think. They should not be turned aside when considering the inductive qualities of your coil.

And I dont think "pay" for higher inductance is the right word, I think you WANT it in certain places/configurations. AC says "The inductive discharge can add to the input or it can stop the input current or both producing a true self-oscillating circuit."

Hi Ren,

I guess I was refering to the bedini circuits when I say we "pay" for higher inductance as that is what my tests are showing me.

let's say we take a 2000 turn bifilar coil on an SSG. On my test model it shows that it takes about 1.5ms to fully charge the coil. So for 1.5ms we were supplying current to charge the coil to full power. I believe that 1.499999ms of the current is waste.

Lets substitute it for a quinfilar 500 turn coil (4 power coils and a trigger). My scope shots show that it now takes approximatly 0.3ms to fully charge the coil.

In the second configuration RPM is higher and amp draw is far less. The resistance isn't a very significant factor with a coil this size so peak amp draw is approximatly the same however it has only taken 0.3ms of current to charge the coil. This is why I believe my amp draw is reduced.

The coil also reacts alot faster so the full force of the coil magnetic field is hitting the magnet while it is in closer proximity. This causes the higher RPM.

[Allcanadian]

@Skywatcher

Hi folks, hi bobo. I agree that a larger magnetic field exists when more mass of copper is used at same resistance. Why some folks here cannot see this could be because some dont want to see it and I will not go into the many reasons there could be for that because I would like to move forward with as many of humanity that wish to, into a world of abundance and true freedom. Sometimes I wonder if people on this forum truly get it, that all the technology we need is here already and those that wish to dominate in conjunction with the peoples ignorance prevent this, though these days the ignorance is growing less due to better access to information.

I just finished reading the Newman1.Pdf and have admit it was a very interesting read and well worth my time. While I may not agree with some of his conclusions I do believe his machines work based on what I have read. But my reasons for thinking his machines work are not necessarily yours or Mr.Newmans, I think sometimes we can find the right answer for all the wrong reasons. In which case who is to say who is right and who is wrong? ,when it is a matter of interpretation. I will tell you one thing, the moment I stopped following others and started coming to my own understanding based on the work of others is the moment I started succeeding. As such, I have a great deal of respect for Mr.Newman and his work, right or wrong he had the courage to find his own truth. It's funny, I can remember a time when I could not see the forest for all the damn tree's and then I learned the benefits of simplicity. Mr.Newman left all of you a secret in the first three pages of chapter four, this is all you will need to replicate his machine.
Best Regards
AC

[SkyWatcher]

Hi AC, I'm going to have to re-read the reference you gave of Newmans ideas. And I would say this life is one big learning experience, no right or wrong however the term error does apply but not in a polarity good-bad sense. I have been testing your circuit idea using 555 to pulse the larger inductance coil recapturing collapse into cap then its charge is directed into battery. Studying the circuit it appears as though the coils collapse would couple with the 12v battery possibly sending current through motor coil, charging cap to higher voltage, then caps charge is sent through motor coil back to battery. I'm not really sure what the true sequence of events is, but when removing pulser and letting cap discharge freely through motor coil it is charging the battery as would be expected. Question is, is it charging while the main inductor is being charged with a pulse or does that possibly interfere somehow with the caps discharge back to battery, because when caps discharging through motor coil, battery current is being used to pulse main inductor at the same time and i heard a battery does not like this. a cap parallel w/ diode on battery may solve it if this is a problem. though after running for awhile the battery does not seem to drop much at all in voltage if that is an indicator. Maybe you can shed more light on this AC, thank you.

Peace, Love, Light

[Allcanadian]

@Skywatcher

I have been testing your circuit idea using 555 to pulse the larger inductance coil recapturing collapse into cap then its charge is directed into battery.

Which circuit are you refering to?

[bobo36us]

Skywatcher...........thank you so much for trying this. I hope you post all of your results.


Allcanadian..........I think this is the circuit he was referring to (below).

I came up with it after reading Joe Newmans book. If what Joe says is true about the example of the two coils, then I was just thinking, for simplicity sake, why are we even bothering with rotating wheels and magnets? Why not just pulse larger coils without spinning objects? (since our main goal is just power generation anyway)

Want to hear another crazy idea? I don't even think the coil has to be round. Couldn't the radiant energy field be disturbed just as easily with any shape of wire with two ends, when pulsed properly? The main reason the coils are round now is because we are trying to keep them concentrated around a magnet, or some kind of spinning wheel. All I am asking is, what would happen without all that stuff? Wouldn't it be similar to the MEG concept? (only much much simpler)

Keep in mind that I know very little about electronics, but I did know that when the coil collapses, I would have to prevent the spike from going back to the timer, that is why I added the diodes.

Could it really be this simple??????

[darkwizard]

Sephiroth , YOU ARE COMPLETELY ON THE RIGHT TRACK, that is the way Mr Adams had built his pulse motors, less resistance on the coil and shorter pulses

[SkyWatcher]

no the circuit on the left

Hi folks, no the circuit on the left in the pic AC posted and i will repost. Darkwizard this thread isnt about motors per say unless im confused. its more about AC's circuit ideas, etc.. Darkwizard you are somehow inferring that what bobo is saying is not what your saying it seems. bobo is saying more mass of copper for same resistance yields larger magnetic field for same input. it seems some people would like to confuse the issue with inductance charge time in motors and thats not the point being made. Anyway yes thats the circuit im testing AC, bobo.

[darkwizard]

Yes, what you say is ok, these are complementary ideas.

i am talking about Sephiroth has said.

I think that the thread is about the dipole, and motors run of dipole energy.