The Dipole

[Allcanadian]

The Question:

What really happens is that the battery forms a "dipole" which nudges the local environment into an unbalanced state which pours out energy in every direction, and some of that energy from the environment flows around the circuit attached to the battery. The energy does NOT come from the battery."

My answer: From the some of greatest minds I know of Tesla and Moray.


To put this in "scientific" terms I believe a dipole (a polarized state) a stressed condition alters the frequency of oscillation in matter. This frequency shift effects the space surrounding the dipole---this space is filled with radiant energy, that is radiations covering an infinite range of wave periods (frequency spectrums). The conditions (energy level) of the dipole would determine the extent and properties of the interaction with the energy present in the space surrounding the dipole, action/reaction. When we speak of energy we are speaking of motion and this motion is oscillitory in nature--vibration of matter or space in the form of radiation-wave period. Therefore what we call magnetic and electric fields are not something in themselves they are a condition of something--the space surrounding a dipole, the condition being a change in the rate of oscillation of radiation in this space producing observable and measurable effects. It is interesting to note that both magnetic and electric fields follow the inverse square law. To deny that effects in matter cannot effect the space surrounding matter is to deny both the conservation of energy and action/reaction, the very foundation of science. To say there is no energy in the space surrounding matter is to say energy as radiation cannot exist thus cannot propagate through space. It is the ultimate paradox, to put it simply the energy to form a dipole changes the conditions of the space surrounding the dipole, this change in condition is a change in the rate of oscillation of energy already present surrounding the dipole, if this change in the rate of oscillation (energy) propagates following the inverse square law how can all of the energy be in a circuit? We are speaking of energy as oscillations changing frequency relative to it's distance to the source dipole, as it changes frequency it changes state---back to its original form---radiation. In this case the energy present in any given magnetic or electric field would be many times greater than we have assumed. If the field surrounding a dipole is a gradual transition of rate of oscillation from magnetic or electric nearest the dipole to ambient radiation farthest from the dipole we could be speaking of a very broad frequency spectrums covering very large areas of which we have utilized only a fraction.

[ren]

Awesome stuff AC.

I like this part:

"Therefore what we call magnetic and electric fields are not something in themselves they are a condition of something--the space surrounding a dipole"

So when the dipole is formed, it alters the space around it in various ways.

And Tesla and Moray talking:

"When a resilient substance is subjected to strain and then set free, one of two things may happen. The substance may slowly recover from the strain and gradually attain its natural state, or the elastic recoil may carry it past its position of equilibrium and cause it to execute a series of oscillations.

Considering oscillations from a mechanical, electrical and mathematical point of view, we find that electrical resistance is the same as mechanical friction and current is comparable to mechanical velocity. Inertia and inductance may then be considered analogous terms."

I see now why you have used analogous terms in the past in reference to oscillations! The swing, the ball bouncing, pendulum effects etc...

It makes things so much simpler in my mind to think of the properties of an electric circuit in mechanical terms, that solidified so many uncertainties in my head in regards to this stuff. I look forward to where this goes

[Allcanadian]

@Ren

Considering oscillations from a mechanical, electrical and mathematical point of view, we find that electrical resistance is the same as mechanical friction and current is comparable to mechanical velocity. Inertia and inductance may then be considered analogous terms."
I see now why you have used analogous terms in the past in reference to oscillations! The swing, the ball bouncing, pendulum effects etc...
It makes things so much simpler in my mind to think of the properties of an electric circuit in mechanical terms, that solidified so many uncertainties in my head in regards to this stuff. I look forward to where this goes

I would agree the mechanical equivalents make understanding electrical terms way easier. When I read this quote years ago I was just floored how easy it made my life.But there are a few missing
Resistance -friction
current -velocity
inductance -Inertia
capacitance-elasticity
voltage -pressure,force

These analogies also clarify why Tesla specified a large self-inductance and small capacitance in his circuits.
Best Regards

[ren]

hmmm. So many question AC, but I will start here.

Tesla perscribes high self inductance yet small capacity in some of his circuits yes? I say some because surely there are some of his circuits with large capacity, like torids/spheres on the secondary to increase capacity etc?

Anyway. It has been mentioned before that small capacitance was important and that a large capacitance made the circuit behave like a slack spring? What I am not sure of is a large capacitance compareable to the elasticity of say a rubber band, whereas a small capacitance might have the elasticity of a stiff spring? Not the best of analogies, but is that the right way around? Or is it the other way, where the small capacitance has alot of elasticity?


So basically is elasticity desireable? Or is it the larger the capacity the larger the elasticity, and thus less of a chance of resonant vibrations, kind of like they are muffled?

[Allcanadian]

@Ren

Anyway. It has been mentioned before that small capacitance was important and that a large capacitance made the circuit behave like a slack spring? What I am not sure of is a large capacitance compareable to the elasticity of say a rubber band, whereas a small capacitance might have the elasticity of a stiff spring? Not the best of analogies, but is that the right way around? Or is it the other way, where the small capacitance has alot of elasticity?
So basically is elasticity desireable? Or is it the larger the capacity the larger the elasticity, and thus less of a chance of resonant vibrations, kind of like they are muffled?

In practical applications an inductive discharge sent to a large capacitor will produce very little voltage rise and no oscillations in the circuit, where a small capacitor will produce a large voltage rise and a series of oscillations. I would compare the small capacitance to a stiff spring and the large capacitance to a slack spring but the capacitors properties depend on the quantity of energy stored and the duration of the input. As the large capacitor is charged it will act more and more like a small capacitor because its resistance to the input will rise as the voltage rises however the oscillations will be dampened as the surface area of the large capacitor is of course larger.

[DavidE]

Open the window, or not.

I have noticed that a "radiant window" can be opened in either circuit (SSG or CFL). Rather than be pre-occupied with the amount of power we are generating... should we not focus research efforts on the condition that opens the window?

I was running a 12v SSG the other day, I received a shock that clearly didn't come from the 12v battery.

Influencing the dipole with a resonant field would certainly be a candidate property.

Discovering this at "tingle" levels versus defibrillator levels of current, may be prudent.

[Allcanadian]

@DavidE

I have noticed that a "radiant window" can be opened in either circuit (SSG or CFL). Rather than be pre-occupied with the amount of power we are generating... should we not focus research efforts on the condition that opens the window?
I was running a 12v SSG the other day, I received a shock that clearly didn't come from the 12v battery.
Influencing the dipole with a resonant field would certainly be a candidate property.
Discovering this at "tingle" levels versus defibrillator levels of current, may be prudent.

I would call this "radiant window" the product of currents of sufficient quality to manifest the desired results (radiant energy), in which case I would be more interested in not what conditions open this window as that has been proven but what the window "is" and how it could be utilized. We could say the radiant window is a high potential/high frequency field in which energy takes the form of an electric field more so than a magnetic one. It's funny that I have yet to see anyone here in the forum utilize an electric field the way nature does, in the natural world electricity is generated where we simply pump it from place to place and we call it generation--which it cannot possibly be.

[DavidE]

Allcanadian

sufficient quality

You are such a master of understatements.




OK. What "qualities" do you suggest are formula relevant?

You said... "current," could it not also be considered a type of plasma/wave or more generally the "induced energetic state of a given space?"

This conversation kind of reminds me of endothermic (-) and exothermic(+) results produced in a targeted space (Bearden).

Remember what happened when the ghostbusters crossed their plasma stream weapons in the movie?

[Allcanadian]

@DavidE

OK. What "qualities" do you suggest are formula relevant?

It would depend on what you want to do, if you want to light a cfl then I would suggest the following qualities or attributes in an electric current.
High Voltage-- ensures a minimum of heat produced as the goal is light production not heat.
High frequency--If the goal is light then the frequency should be as close to the natural frequency of light as possible, also high frequency ensures the conductor (cfl) field is predominantly electric resulting in high efficiency due to a lack of inductive losses.
Impulsive--The human eye cannot recognize frequencies above 60 cycles/second thus the current could be switched on then off at near 60Hz and the light would appear contiuous even though the duty cycle has been cut in half.

You said... "current," could it not also be considered a type of plasma/wave or more generally the "induced energetic state of a given space?"

LOL, I like to keep things------uncomplicated.
A "current" like a water current implies motion, that energy has moved in some way or been transfered to another space, it can be considered many things by many different people but that does not change the nature of what it is--energy as motion.

[Gre]

Resistance -friction
current -velocity
inductance -Inertia
capacitance-elasticity
voltage -pressure,force

These analogies also clarify why Tesla specified a large self-inductance and small capacitance in his circuits.
Best Regards

Just curious about the above analogies.. Resistance is the friction of what exactly?
Inductance is inertia? Capacitance -elasticity, elasticity is the opposite of capacitance, i thought.

I've always imagined voltage was more of a "velocity" of a charge carriers (electrons, protons). And current (amperage) was a quantity of charge carriers.

[Allcanadian]

@Gre

Just curious about the above analogies.. Resistance is the friction of what exactly?
Inductance is inertia? Capacitance -elasticity, elasticity is the opposite of capacitance, i thought.
I've always imagined voltage was more of a "velocity" of a charge carriers (electrons, protons). And current (amperage) was a quantity of charge carriers.

LOL, if you only knew how many hours I have spent thinking about the relationships above or building circuits to prove my thoughts were justified. Im pretty sure Im what some of you might call a slow learner as it has taken longer than I ever would have imagined. I will go through your questions point by point

Resistance is the friction of what exactly?

Damn thats a good question, Many great minds have stated matter and space are energy fields in oscillation--wave fields, when these wave fields interact energy can be transformed or dissipated into the surrounding space in various wavelengths including heat, light ect.... . I would tend to agree with this, I see no reason why the popular view of friction cannot be seen as interaction as they would seem to be one and the same.

Inductance is inertia?

In a circuit a wire or coil having the property of inductance will oppose current changes, it will oppose a current rise and an established current fall thus an inductance will act like a large mass opposing changes in velocity. This opposition to changes in velocity of a large mass is called inertia, the tendency of things in motion to stay in motion and things at rest to stay at rest.

Capacitance -elasticity, elasticity is the opposite of capacitance, i thought

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If voltage is an electrical pressure and an electrical current is the flow of this pressure to equalize itself then a capacitor placed in series in a circuit will act as a flexible elastic membrane would in a mechanical sense. The electrical pressure released from the source will flow against the flexible membrane until the membrane has deformed to such an extent that the electrical pressure cannot force a flow of current any longer at which point the pressure at the source and membrane/capacitor can be said to be equal. So the capacitor acts like an elastic wall or flexible membrane in regards to electrical pressure and current flow.

I've always imagined voltage was more of a "velocity" of a charge carriers (electrons, protons). And current (amperage) was a quantity of charge carriers.

If a voltage (potential difference) was charge carriers with a velocity then they would be in motion, this motion would constitute a current, can a battery have an electrical current flow when it is not connected to anything? If it did it would not last very long as a current flow is what discharges a battery. A good analogy is comparing voltage to water pressure in a hose and an electric current to the water flow in a hose. The larger the current flow the faster the pressure source will discharge itself.

[Gre]

If a voltage (potential difference) was charge carriers with a velocity then they would be in motion, this motion would constitute a current, can a battery have an electrical current flow when it is not connected to anything? If it did it would not last very long as a current flow is what discharges a battery. A good analogy is comparing voltage to water pressure in a hose and an electric current to the water flow in a hose. The larger the current flow the faster the pressure source will discharge itself.

Imagine electrons having an angular momentum/velocity on the negative side of a battery, would this mean there is a current moving around the atom? Once a conductive path to the positive side is established, the electrons starting bumping into each other all the way down the conductor, creating current and passing their kinetic energy... The higher the voltage the faster the atoms/electrons bump into each other.... And the more ions you have in the battery, the more amp/hrs (+current) you have. The hose analogy doesn't seem right, but this is just my opinion.

[DavidE]

It sounds simple...



"Every electrical circuit and every electrical load is and always has
been powered by energy extracted directly from the vacuum by the
negative resistor source dipole."
-Bearden

[Gre]

Any physics guys here?

How do you determine the kinetic energy of a valence electron, in copper for example?

[Allcanadian]

@Gre

Imagine electrons having an angular momentum/velocity on the negative side of a battery, would this mean there is a current moving around the atom? Once a conductive path to the positive side is established, the electrons starting bumping into each other all the way down the conductor, creating current and passing their kinetic energy... The higher the voltage the faster the atoms/electrons bump into each other.... And the more ions you have in the battery, the more amp/hrs (+current) you have. The hose analogy doesn't seem right, but this is just my opinion.

I think your opinion is a good one, Im not sure my analogies can or should be taken literally. I see them as tools to simplify my understanding of the properties inherent in circuit components, that is how they act individually and when placed together in performing some function. That is the heart of the matter I think---you cannot build what you do not understand. As well understanding the properties of components Vs values and equations allows me to do what some may call---freaky stuff
For example take a 12v battery connect a 6v low turn(resistance) AC motor or rectified DC motor and a 24v/1000uF cap in series. The cap charges and the textbooks tell me I must discharge the cap for the circuit to perform work again as the cap cannot discharge into the battery at the same potential. But instead of wasting energy by discharging the cap I charge a seperate large self-inductance (coil)with the 12v battery and use the high potential inductive discharge from the inductive coil to discharge the cap in an opposite direction through the motor into the battery--a charging condition. In this case the inductive discharge acts as a switching mechanism setting the whole series circuit (battery,motor,cap) into a series of oscillations and the motor spins performing work. I have discharged the battery in charging the seperate inductive coil but I have also charged the battery near equally through the cap and motor with the inductive discharge, the energy dissipating as a series of oscillations in the circuit including the battery. I am not claiming anything here, I am just pointing out that you will not find this circuit in any text book, I designed it based on a very simplistic understanding of the properties and of the components and qualities of current.