Aetheric stream/Radiant Energy extraction; Solid State vs analog technology

[Filibuster]

Schematics ?

Sorry i do not see a schematic from you ....

[Filibuster]

Have you ever thought why Tesla when asked about impossibility to build his coils and obtain effect shown by him, always stated that he had no trouble building them ?
I think there are two reasons :
- he perfected his devices and build them according to own found EQUATIONS
- he used SINEWAVE ,perfect sinewave

I think the key to build an (maybe not perfect) apparatus is to understand the basic principles involved.
I stumble over two statements repeatedly:
"YOU HAVE TO SPLIT THE POSITIVE......" and
"OPERATE IN OPEN LOOP ONLY....."
This sounds like an alien language to me. By explicit understanding the meaning of these principles, the next step would be to find out why they have to be applied.

[amigo]

Sorry i do not see a schematic from you ....

This post: http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...html#post29267

[BinzerBob]

Electron flying across open air

I don't have the understanding that much of what is being said here, but after reading a bit I was just wondering...

When an arc is made between two wires say between two points in air say about 1" gap. There is a nice blue line. What is that line? Is it the electron bouncing into air particles and exciting the air molecules existing electrons in higher energy sates then as those higher energy states collapse there is a localized blue tracer showing where the electron has gone?

I know that talking about an electron might be tabboo here, but I have much more to say about the subject and some experiments to try with this concept. The concept is just an extension of what I was reading about how transistors and semiconductors work. Perhaps the electron has to live on air molecules for fractions of time as it bounces from one molecule to the next as it makes its way across the 1" gap? And in so doing it also excites electron energy levels which when they revert back to lower states the light is emitted?

Or do we just see the electron and it is blue?

If we see the electron then how about if we grab and displace it while it is racing across the 1" gap? For this we can use physical force, magnetic or even other electric force. If we can move it away we might create a void that normally will not be created. A disturbance where we can open this ether?

I don't know I just got to thinking.

[amigo]

I am far from an expert in any field but I'll give it a shot

...potential between the two wires (or to be more precise the tips of the wires) was so great that the dielectric (ar) broke up and passed the current through. The arc traversed the path of least resistance, an ionized portion of the air, basically becoming plasma.

The blue colour could be due to the presence of oxygen molecules in the air (which will break up to form ozone), either due to electrical discharge itself or presence of UV rays (photoelectric reaction), or something else I am not aware of.

I like to think too. I think all the time, even until smoke starts coming out of my head, and then some.

[Shamus]

Thinking is good, and so are experiments. And sometimes experiments lead to more thinking. If you come up with some good experiments to test please share them with the rest of us--we're all here trying to figure out just what it is we've got with this energy.

@Amigo: If you still have your solid state oscillator circuit in one piece, I was wondering if you could do a short experiment? Instead of neons on the isolated strand, try putting those strands into a cup of clean water--make sure that the strands are separated as well. You might also try hooking them up to a pair of electrodes and submerge those as well. I think I know what the result will be, but I'd like to see if you can replicate the effect with your oscillator. I'll post my results once I see what happens with your setup.

[Filibuster]

Plasma

When an arc is made between two wires say between two points in air say about 1" gap. There is a nice blue line. What is that line? Is it the electron bouncing into air particles and exciting the air molecules existing electrons in higher energy sates then as those higher energy states collapse there is a localized blue tracer showing where the electron has gone?

I know that talking about an electron might be tabboo here, but I have much more to say about the subject and some experiments to try with this concept. The concept is just an extension of what I was reading about how transistors and semiconductors work. Perhaps the electron has to live on air molecules for fractions of time as it bounces from one molecule to the next as it makes its way across the 1" gap? And in so doing it also excites electron energy levels which when they revert back to lower states the light is emitted?

Or do we just see the electron and it is blue?

If we see the electron then how about if we grab and displace it while it is racing across the 1" gap? For this we can use physical force, magnetic or even other electric force. If we can move it away we might create a void that normally will not be created. A disturbance where we can open this ether?

I don't know I just got to thinking.

I did some googleing and thats the result:
In an arc you have a plasma which is loose electrons, ions and atoms. The electrons are much, much lighter than the others and are therefore much faster in relation to them. The electron "sees" a practical motionless irregular lattice of the ions/atoms. The electron bounces against the the others and heats them up. It can exist independently.
The plasma will show a colour according to its temperature.
Hot iron shows red, very hot iron shows yellow-orange. A body more hotter will show a blueish colour, because every body (or plasma) emitts radiations according to its temperature. What we see is different, because our eyes have their maximium sensitivity in the range of the sunlight which resembles a body radiation of 6000° celcius.

[john_g]

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Now, it's time to do a couple of experiments. Get a bifilar coil and a couple of neon bulbs. First, connect the ends of one neon to the ends of one strand of the coil. Connect 12V to the neon so that the battery, neon and coil are all in parallel for a few seconds (NOTE: I used a battery of 8 1.5V cells--don't go crazy with the amperage!). Now, quickly remove the power and note what happens. Second, connect another neon to the other strand and connect 12V in the same place for a few seconds. Again, quickly remove the power and note what happens.


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Shamus

I tried your first "experiment" and found that if the wires of the unused bifiler winding are connected together then the neon does not glow.

[amigo]

@Amigo: If you still have your solid state oscillator circuit in one piece, I was wondering if you could do a short experiment? Instead of neons on the isolated strand, try putting those strands into a cup of clean water--make sure that the strands are separated as well. You might also try hooking them up to a pair of electrodes and submerge those as well. I think I know what the result will be, but I'd like to see if you can replicate the effect with your oscillator. I'll post my results once I see what happens with your setup.

Are we talking tap water or distilled water?

Should the electrodes be copper, carbon, stainless steel... ?

Just so we are both on the same page, I have thick carbon/graphite pencil cores from an art store, which I intended to tye as electrodes so might give that a whirl.

[Shamus]

I used filtered tap water with a couple of galvanized nails as electrodes, but all of those could be investigated. I've been thinking about an electrode material that won't get consumed as readily as iron and graphite may just fill that bill.

It'll be interesting to see what happens.