Aetheric stream/Radiant Energy extraction; Solid State vs analog technology

[lighty]

Circuit is really nothing, it's a transistor driven coil with a trigger source. I tried using square waves, pulses (74HC14, NE555) and yet nothing, the NE-2 won't light up as it does when I manually interrupt the power.

Your BJT's bias is probably screwed. Replace it with MOSFET and put some small value resistor at it's gate.

[Sephiroth]

amigo... is it possible the frequencies you are trying are too high? with too high a frequency and not enough voltage the coil won't energise to a level where the collapsing field can generate enough voltage to light the neon.

[amigo]

Thanks for the replies !

@ lighty,

I did try both standard NPN (BD243) and MOSFET (had IRFZ46N handy) and I do have a resistor on the Base/Gate - I just didn't draw it in this diagram...

@ Sephiroth,

Actually I was trying sub-audible frequencies (0-20Hz). I could not even see the waveform on the scope because apparently my Fluke scope can't do anything below 7Hz @#*(^%!.

Funny thing is I could see the voltage meter needle of my power supply rock back and forth when I hooked this up to it to drive the coil. That's how low the frequency was.

Did try powering with both the SLA battery and PSU and neither produced any visible results like the hand interrupted method...

[Sephiroth]

How wierd the bedini solid state set up will light a neon at a much higher frequency then that. haven't a clue why it wouldn't work with seperate oscillator for the trigger signal....

[Shamus]

Hi Amigo,

You are definitely on the right track. Have you checked your transistor? Does an incandescent bulb in series with the primary of the coil light up? Is the ground of the signal gen hooked up to the circuit's ground? Sometimes simple things can bite you, as I'm sure you know. If all that checks out, then you might think about lighty's suggestion and try a mosfet instead.

Also, what Sephiroth says is true, if the coil doesn't have enough time to build up a magnetic field then nothing is going to happen. I have to look up my notes to see what the frequency of my SS coil is but I think it was relatively low (I want to say it was an order of magnitude higher with an air core, but I'm not 100% sure of that).

EDIT:
In light of what your just wrote, have you tried higher frequencies? Then maybe you can use your scope to see if the transistor/mosfet is turning off too slowly. In order to get the effect, the off time has to be fast!

[amigo]

I hate using paint programs for circuits, so this is a dirty cut/paste job. Somehow I just don't have a good all-purpose drawing program that has lots of nice electronics symbols.

Here's my circuit that I just built...



I haven't done all the measurements yet, I'll see how much current is being used and going through the primary of the coil, which is obviously an important factor.

EDIT: Crap, the current on the primary shows 15mA ?!?! BLECH no wonder it has no kick to it, so what now?

EDIT EDIT: Ok, I think I need to get rid of the 470 ohm resistor on the Gate, the LTC1799 outputs typically over 4V, which is needed to raise the Gate on the MOSFET. That only got my coil voltage up by a measly 1 V

[Shamus]

Hi Amigo,

I know, paint is a terrible way to make circuit diagrams. You might want to look into KiCAD which is an open source electronic design package. It includes eeschema which has lots of nice symbols.

Ok, after looking at my samples I can make a crude guesstimate: iron core SS oscillates ~500 Hz, air core SS oscillates ~1700 Hz. So that's the ballpark you might want to start playing in. ~40 KHz is probably not going to get you much. Once you get nice HV spikes going then you can fiddle with the frequency.

Do you have any MJL21194s lying around? You might want to try that if the MOSFET isn't gating enough juice into the coil and/or turning OFF quickly enough. Have you looked at the waveform on the coil?

[lighty]

@amigo

Ah, so your MOSFET doesn't turn on fully. If you don't succeed in using TLC output to fully turn it on simply add another small transistor as a buffer stage in order to both raise voltage as well as current sinking capability. It's not a question of just turning it on but also of turning it off fast and I'm not sure your small TLC oscillator will be able to fully sink all of the gate charge fast enough and especially if you have a higher current load at the drain. Any small NPN transistor like 2N2222 or BC5xx will do as a switch, you just have to have some base resistor (if you don't know how to calculate it's value you can start with a 10k and will usually work) at the output of TLC1799 and a higher value collector resistor (start with 1k and then lower it if needed) to ensure a proper voltage drop. It will of course invert your signal but as the moment it is not a problem in this circuit. If I remember correctly I posted several diagrams in the Lindemann attraction motor thread.

[RotogenRay]

Hi all,

I have been reading Gerry Vassilatos's book Secrets of Cold War Technology regarding Tesla's experiments into Aether streams and Radiant Energy.

If Gerry's research is correct, Tesla achieved pure Aether streams using magnetic arc disrupter where electrons were blow away by strong magnetic field leaving pure aetheric steam flowing forward.

So if that is correct, then are we even getting any closer, or at all, to extracting RE from aether flows through our Solid State circuits or not? How exactly are Solid State circuits achieving what analog Tesla ones did?

The more I read the more I get a picture that Back EMF that's being siphoned from the coil kicks has nothing to do with RE or Aetheric streams. Yes, some will say that capacitor (if in the circuit) is used to convert the aetheric energy to electron current but I see no real evidence of aetheric flow, based on characteristics Tesla described regarding gaseous flow of siler-white streamers on the surface of conductors he was associating with pure aether streams.

Further more, use of metals (copper conductors) in presence of aetheric streams could induce creation of electron currents which would impede the whole process.

To me this whole business of Back EMF seems more and more about recovering electron currents, normally suppressed or filtered and directing them into batteries, than actual extraction of Radiant Energy from Aetheric streams.

I know that people have done experimental runs that might prove otherwise but those were computed on charge/discharge principles. What about the characteristic gaseous flow associated with Aether that's obviously missing - shouldn't it be visible as an indication of presence of Aether flow?

I'm wondering if the rest of you have thought about this in detail and what you think about the whole subject...

I have read the book, but first a small correction

Solid state can be analog, in the same way that digital can use vacuum tubes.

Now, tesla's radiant energy shouldn't be thought of as something outside our normal experience, but rather something masked or unseen normally. I mean, the aether is supposed to pervade all of space as an ultrafine fluid. The aether is supposed to be a medium for electromagnetic waves to pass through.

I believe the things tesla did can be explained with longitudinal electric waves. Watch the video on teslas longitudinal electricity and on transverse and longitudinal waves on google video.

Tesla did nothing surreal. He lived firmly in reality and his experiments are repeatable.

As even tesla said, the only way we have of affecting the aether is an electrical means. Of course we could use friction and influence machines, but good luck doing very much wothout conductors.

The most important thing one should take away is a view of electricity as more than just "electron flow".

[amigo]

@ lighty,

Thanks for the advices, I will proceed by using a smaller transistor (2N2222) as a buffer to the MOSFET. Will look up the thread you mention for any schematics as a reference.

@ RotogenRay

It appears that I sounded in my first post as if I was thinking what Tesla did was almost surreal or magic, but that was not my intent. As you said Tesla lived firmly in reality and that is best apparent from reading his own writings.

I guess it is the pre-conceived concepts that we are still struggling with, that block us from deeper understanding of certain things and their interconnections.

Still, has anyone ever replicated the gaseous appearance of the aetheric energy based on Tesla's apparatus and setup. Seems to me with so many clubs, societies and enthusiasts studying the phenomena and works of Tesla someone must have had success in making more than just sparks fly and colourful discharges to awe the viewers!?

[Shamus]

Funny you should ask...

Still, has anyone ever replicated the gaseous appearance of the aetheric energy based on Tesla's apparatus and setup. Seems to me with so many clubs, societies and enthusiasts studying the phenomena and works of Tesla someone must have had success in making more than just sparks fly and colourful discharges to awe the viewers!?

The person to ask that very question just might be Peter Lindemann, since he's spent time recreating some of Tesla's experiments. Unless I'm remembering wrong, in which case, my apologies to Peter.

I have a feeling that you're close to success--be sure to let us know how things turn out!

[amigo]

I have found the schematics that lighty was referring to here:

http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/271-electric-motor-secrets-17.html#post12371

Upon trying it, I'm still not getting any closer. I used various values for the resistors, in present setup R3-10K, R4-10K, R5-330ohm.

The coil secondary outputs about 18V at 12V supply at around 600Hz and I can hear my coil oscillating.

It puzzles me that interrupting manually could light up the neon bulb yet with a semi-sophisticated circuit like this it gets nowhere...

Any help or ideas are appreciated.

[Shamus]

Curiouser and curiouser...

Hi Amigo,

You might want to give this a try. If you don't have a trifilar coil you could probably get away with putting the neon on either of the two strands of your bifilar. If this doesn't work, well, I'll put it together to see what's going on. But I think this will work.

[amigo]

Hi Shamus,

Thanks for the schematic, though I am aware of this configuration because it is the self-resonating circuit. What I was originally looking for is repeating the manual interrupt effect through solid-state means using a pulse generator where frequency and duty cycle can be controlled.

It really baffles me that I can almost scrub a crocodile clip over one pole of the battery and see the neon bulb light up, even tiny violet explosions happening inside it. Yet when using a pulse generated circuit I can't pass 20Vrms mark at all.

I wonder if the secret might be in random pulses rather than steady repeating stream of identical ones?

Since I have a tri-filar coil I hooked it up to manual setup again, one winding to the battery, another to the neon and third to the scope (that one was my driver winding so it's smaller gauge).

Even with a smaller gauge, driver winding connected to the scope shows over 400 Vpp spikes when manually pulsed, and as I mentioned the neon goes crazy at times.

Surely this should be repeatable using automated circuitry...

[RotogenRay]

another thought

Tesla did use magnetic arc interruptors, but this was to extinguish the arc. I didn't stop the electron flow completely- its still wasting energy if you take the electrons and blow them out into free space. As well, tesla didn't only use magnetic interruptors, but an air =quenched gap- which is used in tesla coils still.