The bistander thread

[Rakarskiy]

I am truly sorry for you. I am doubting your professional knowledge for the second time. I have checked all this long ago and in different systems.

The simplest system is FEMM. Three screens. Maximum EMF when the magnetic rotor closes the flux into the core, while the magnetic induction in the area of the conductor (highlighted with a circle) is zero. If the rotor (magnet N42) has a transverse position, the main induction is around the magnet, and in the area of the conductor the magnetic induction is 0.09T (effectively zero). There is another position, when the rotor and stator are short-circuited, the magnetic induction in the conductor zone is 0.04T.
This is all you need to know about the principle of operation of the simplest generator with a core.

[bistander]

Mr. Rakarskiy,

Concerning one of your publications, on your diagram;


How is it that flux path 1 can morf to flux path 2 without crossing the wires?



It cannot.
bi

Hey Mr. Rakarskiy,

On UFO's forum you post this:



What happens to flux path 1? Your animation shows it disappearing then reappearing as flux path 2. You know this is incorrect. The magnetic lines of force form this flux path and will always form complete loops through the source. The path of the force lines, and size and shape of the path the force lines assume change smoothly as the position of the magnet changes relative to the steel magnetic path. As those lines and path in which they lie change from path 1 to path 2, those lines cross or cut the wires inside the stator (groove).
bi

[bistander]

Very interesting, thanks for sharing. What were the performance characteristics of the machine that made it stand out amongst other industrial motors? Are you saying VFD drives made this machine obsolete?

[jettis]

One project on which I was lead investigator, early in my career, was a device called Triodyne. Seems like it was so long ago or in a galaxy far away that Google doesn't even find it. But knowing Dr. Joe Tyrner, the inventer, I was able to find his patent, cover page attached. Working with him, our company successfully developed a prototype and installed it in an industrial application. It performed admirably. But as business goes, market and technology changes shelved it, primarily advances in high power solid state controls.

Very interesting, thanks for sharing. What were the performance characteristics of the machine that made it stand out amongst other industrial motors? Are you saying VFD drives made this machine obsolete?

[jettis]

With the electromechanical converters utilizing combinations of both electric and mechanical inputs and outputs, the sum of all inputs, outputs, losses and storage always equals zero. Always.

If you have a pulse motor this can be classified as a stage, a single unit, now take the electrical/ mechanical output, upto 90% of your input (if you can get it that high) then you apply this 90% to a second stage (motor generator). You need the second stage applied voltage to be at 1st stage buss voltage prior to receiving the 90%, the 90% needs additive, boosting the applied voltage of the second stage motor generator. You are effectively cascading the system into a second stage or multiple stages. This works well with higher voltage supplies.

This would increase mechanical output…

Dave Wing

[bistander]

Can you explain your energy conversion and storage devices in a little more detail? Recovery rate was simply the amount of output compared to input in amperage, on a running pulse motor.

My pulse motor / generator uses a type of Alternating wave, that I clip, with a half bridge rectifier and send it to a storage battery or capacitor, in addition to this there is also the transient spike prior to the coil collapse. These three forms of output always appear to cause me issues as they are loads on my machine, this is a problem I do not like, as I want free shaft energy, without all the conventional drag associated with generation and coil collapse.

I want to find a way to maximize my output so it is as close to my input as possible. That is why I was curious what types of devices you are working with and what you have seen regarding input vs output. Are you including mechanical in your input vs output readings?

Dave Wing

DW,
Energy conversion: motors, generators and combinations.
Energy storage: batteries, ultra capacitors, flywheels.
Details found in textbooks, Wikipedia, white papers, etc.

With the electromechanical converters utilizing combinations of both electric and mechanical inputs and outputs, the sum of all inputs, outputs, losses and storage always equals zero. Always.
bi

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Detail, you ask.

One project on which I was lead investigator, early in my career, was a device called Triodyne. Seems like it was so long ago or in a galaxy far away that Google doesn't even find it. But knowing Dr. Joe Tyrner, the inventer, I was able to find his patent, cover page attached. Working with him, our company successfully developed a prototype and installed it in an industrial application. It performed admirably. But as business goes, market and technology changes shelved it, primarily advances in high power solid state controls.

[jettis]

Hi Dave Wing,
I work with energy conversion and energy storage devices and systems. Concerning input and output, I use the standard efficiency definition, output power / input power * 100%. Occasionally, at certain loads and conditions, I have measured slightly above 90% on conversion devices. On storage devices, often higher. Of course the range of efficiency is zero to 100%.

I am uncertain what a "recovery rate" is. So via Google (AI) when asked to define recovery rate:



Using this, then I have seen 100%. A performance test which I conduct sometimes results in exactly what theory (my calculations) predicted. But mostly I see a few percent deviation attributable to experimental error.
bi

Can you explain your energy conversion and storage devices in a little more detail? Recovery rate was simply the amount of output compared to input in amperage, on a running pulse motor.

My pulse motor / generator uses a type of Alternating wave, that I clip, with a half bridge rectifier and send it to a storage battery or capacitor, in addition to this there is also the transient spike prior to the coil collapse. These three forms of output always appear to cause me issues as they are loads on my machine, this is a problem I do not like, as I want free shaft energy, without all the conventional drag associated with generation and coil collapse.

I want to find a way to maximize my output so it is as close to my input as possible. That is why I was curious what types of devices you are working with and what you have seen regarding input vs output. Are you including mechanical in your input vs output readings?

Dave Wing

[bistander]

Hey bi, what is the maximum recovery rate (input vs output) you have seen on your experiments? Personally I have seen 30%, 50% and as high as 70-90% on some of my machines, they are generating AC that can be recovered along with recovering the coil collapse.

Dave Wing

Hi Dave Wing,
I work with energy conversion and energy storage devices and systems. Concerning input and output, I use the standard efficiency definition, output power / input power * 100%. Occasionally, at certain loads and conditions, I have measured slightly above 90% on conversion devices. On storage devices, often higher. Of course the range of efficiency is zero to 100%.

I am uncertain what a "recovery rate" is. So via Google (AI) when asked to define recovery rate:

Percent recovery The percentage of theoretical yield that is recovered in an experiment. The percent recovery is calculated by dividing the experimental yield by the theoretical yield and multiplying by 100.

Using this, then I have seen 100%. A performance test which I conduct sometimes results in exactly what theory (my calculations) predicted. But mostly I see a few percent deviation attributable to experimental error.
bi

[jettis]

Hey bi, what is the maximum recovery rate (input vs output) you have seen on your experiments? Personally I have seen 30%, 50% and as high as 70-90% on some of my machines, they are generating AC that can be recovered along with recovering the coil collapse.

Dave Wing

[bistander]

Hey bi,
Here's the 7th grade science experiment you didn't bother to even try to see the principles I was talking about.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=90t071rVfmE

Hi Turion,
You're right. I have no idea what you're doing. Rather pathetic video. After all this time, like 6 or 7 years, still no proof, as promised, of your claim, 2kW real power output using 300 watts input.
bi

[Turion]

Hey bi,
Here's the 7th grade science experiment you didn't bother to even try to see the principles I was talking about.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=90t071rVfmE

[thaelin]

Simple, ready available parts, highly scaleable and good instructions. 200 Watts would be a great start.

[Rakarskiy]

bistander, No one can deceive me, because I always have my own head, my own methods of study and research. In addition to Holcomb himself (who has been granted a patent for his invention in the US, which is valid until 2038), there is another patent in the US by Korean inventor Park Jae Sun (the patent was granted and is valid until 2030). The technology is the same (generating electricity without physically rotating the magnetic rotor)! The difference lies in the system of switching the electromagnets of the fixed rotor. The technology is working, but it has its advantages and disadvantages, and technical challenges. The principle of operation is no different from a conventional synchronous electromagnetic generator with a rotating magnetic rotor. But once again, there are very clear problems and limitations in the capabilities. In a little while, it will be launched into popular distribution, and I am glad to be involved in its promotion. I just need to explain how to do it in the language of a garage mechanic, let it be a small installation (let it be up to 200 watts), which I will do.





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[bistander]

Bistander, which Holcomb is a businessman is of little interest to me. But his actions, in the creation of solid-state electromagnetic generator, in various variations is very interesting. The fact that it was Holcomb who showed a working model, and more than one, has a place. About investors, there are two types: those who work for the energy lobby and those who want to earn money immediately. There are simply those who invest money in projects that are promising in their opinion. But you have to take into account the risks, one of which is the opposition of the energy lobby. Secondly, you need to clearly understand how it works, what are the problems and opportunities of the technology. I very much wish the Hoocumbas success, but I am not an advocate or opponent of their commercial endeavours. I am only interested in technology, and I do my best to make overunity generation technology available, open source for all.

Rakarskiy,
Holcomb lies and cheats to steal people's money. He has fooled you. His "invention" is worthless. It does not deliver value, ie. Free Energy. It is good to evaluate all leads. I do also. But you have gone over to the dark side.

I support free speech and right to personal opinion/beliefs. But when I see garbage and falsehoods being published as teachings, I attempt to attach warnings for those readers gullible. I said before that you need proofs and peer reviews. Still applies.
bi

[Rakarskiy]

Bistander, which Holcomb is a businessman is of little interest to me. But his actions, in the creation of solid-state electromagnetic generator, in various variations is very interesting. The fact that it was Holcomb who showed a working model, and more than one, has a place. About investors, there are two types: those who work for the energy lobby and those who want to earn money immediately. There are simply those who invest money in projects that are promising in their opinion. But you have to take into account the risks, one of which is the opposition of the energy lobby. Secondly, you need to clearly understand how it works, what are the problems and opportunities of the technology. I very much wish the Holcombas success, but I am not an advocate or opponent of their commercial endeavours. I am only interested in technology, and I do my best to make overunity generation technology available, open source for all.