An Inquiry in to the Alien Reproduction Vehicle

[bistander]

Bad science

Book written Davis and Rawls 1974 page 22 the old and new concepts
http://www.rexresearch.com/davisrawl...vingSystem.pdf

I've seen and read that chapter before. Just did again. I consider it bad science. No supporting evidence. And since published in 1974 no credible support or adaptation from the scientific community.

It appears likely to be the source of the misuse of Bloch wall.

Also on that bar magnet diagram they show opposite spins. Mr. Ufopolitics is promoting the same spin direction. I don't believe there is macroscopic spin in the magnetic field. There is on the microscopic scale with electrons causing dipoles, but spin does not carry beyond that level.

Obviously just my opinions.

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[mikrovolt]

A cross flow might be seen in simulation software of what might happen when two accretion disks merge and at 3:44 the energy vortices's also how an elliptical form produces various turbulence geometries when orbital paths are crossed being different from a single accretion disk alone.
Celestial bodies how they move helps to understand some of the fundamental properties that a space vehicle would encounter.

https://youtu.be/aX0U14s_nV0

At a distance
The distorted magnetic field of saturn with tail


An undistorted double torus showing bloch wall


Close up bloch wall
A simulation inside permanent magnet.

https://youtu.be/rjnALkkUlNY

Book written Davis and Rawls 1974 page 22 the old and new concepts

http://www.rexresearch.com/davisrawls/MagnEffectsLivingSystem.pdf

[Ufopolitics]

Mechanical (Mass) Vtol...

thank you,
I have seen what you say years ago, and it was no longer in my mind.
and the ARV had counter rotating fields, so...
you are right, I should have them as well.
counter rotating should be pretty easy to add to what I am already building. so, I will give it a try.

Hello Spacecase,


I am glad you will be testing that option as well!!

Like I mentioned before, when we write a "Gravitational Bubble", we all tend to imagine a bubble as a "spherical" geometry...but, if we consider -for instance- a "Toroidal Bubble"... it is still a bubble, except, since it has a hollow center, it has much more "stability" than a spherical bubble.

In reality this could be achieved by having a common cylindrical stator, which projects outwards its magnetic force, instead of inwards as most of stators we all know work...right?

Now, since I wrote and bold out the word "common" stator...is due that this stator would turn two rotors...one CW and the other CCW.

I wish I could have the time to graph all this...but I don't...

The point is that each rotor will aim its magnetic projection not only to a part of the common stator, but also to the other rotor as well.

If we apply "Asymmetrical Technology" here...we could have one rotor where all coils would be North aiming Poles Inward to Stator...as the other one could be also North to have that "counter-spin" right?

But we could also test this setup with one rotor being a South...while other North, right?...then, that space in between both rotors...what would that be?

That's right...an Accretion Disc...

And no matter how fast you spin these two counter rotors...that center stator would be very stable...as long as both rotors have same RPM's.

Hope you guys could picture all this...


Have a good night


Regards


Ufopolitics

[Gambeir]

Anyone whose interested might well follow Ufopolitics thread here.

http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/20331-enlightened-magnetism-full-proof-ken-wheelers-theories.html

[spacecase0]

thank you,
I have seen what you say years ago, and it was no longer in my mind.
and the ARV had counter rotating fields, so...
you are right, I should have them as well.
counter rotating should be pretty easy to add to what I am already building. so, I will give it a try.

[Ufopolitics]

[spacecase0]

ways to spin the magnetic field

so I was thinking while sleeping about ways to spin the magnetic field
I am currently trying to test if an electrostatic field can spin the magnetic field. seems possible for this to work, the capacitor plates may have to be at least coated in bismuth to get the required effect.

a previous idea I had may work better, but I don't think I ever wrote it down.
a high magnetic permeability item will pull all the magnetic "field lines" to that area. so why not use a high magnetic permeability segmented disk that is physically spinning. and because that is unlikely to be conductive enough to also make a good homopolar generator, let us cast aluminum around that to make it electrically conductive.
potentially this could be a hub with steel rods going out to make a circle, and then just cast aluminum around the rods. this should be strong enough for some pretty high speeds of rotation, and conductive enough to make a homopolar generator.
strikes me as something low enough tech that tesla would have had the ability to build it. and if this is how the ARV is built, then the capacitors are only for steering control.

now there is the idea of just electrically switching on and off magnetic coils that are stationary to get the magnetic field to spin.
I already tried this one (but could have had no enough power going into it). wilbert smith refereed to trying this in reference to trying to get that to move a larger separately generated magnetic field, and he said that the 2 magnetic fields integrated and did not cause a spinning field. so I will not try to reproduce the failure.
he said you needed a weaker field force to spin the magnetic field so that it would not integrate. my assumption so far is that he tried to use an electric field next. but maybe that did not work either.

[spacecase0]

let me try and answer all your questions (including the ones in the PMs)
the reason I am trying this is that
Smith showed that a physical spinning item can produce measurable results.
in a previous test I have already tried to electrically switch a magnetic field, and either I did not have enough power going into it, or that is not going to work at all.
the ARV and that drone appear to spin the magnetic field with a a spinning electric field. I am not sure this is possible, but I like hints as to how it is done, and I think this is worth testing.
so how to test this on a low budget is the question...
I figured that I should get a measurable result from a physically spinning item.
so building a somewhat high speed rotary switch for high voltage might get me numbers.
it is the data from that I need. from that data I can then design out an electrically switched version that will be way faster than anything physical can spin, but building that will cost money. and the numbers from the test will tell me what to build or if I can even afford to build it at all.

so the rotary switch is a 1/4 inch thick acrylic disk about 7 inches in diameter.
the top is the high voltage, the bottom is ground.
I have a circle of metal a few inches out from the center as the input contact point as the disk spins. each side has 3 lobes sticking out to make contact with the stationary output contacts (looks kind of like the radiation symbol with a big hole in the center). found one that is pretty close

http://sticker4us.com/image/cache/data/Stickers/symbols/Radiation%20Symbol-500x500.jpg

just get rid of the connecting outside lines and it is what the metal part looks like
the lobes on the top of the disk and bottom of the disk are 120 degrees out of phase (1/3 of a spin).
the stationary output contacts have brushes on each side of the disk at the same point in the spin, so an output contact is connected alternately to the high voltage and the ground 3 times each spin of the disk, charging and discharging that connection 3 times each spin.
so it is not a fantastic capacitor...
but should make a pretty good switch
every 20 degrees of spin another stationary contact is found on the outside of the disk, I plan on making the capacitors much larger than the spinning disk, so the field on the capacitors should "spin" faster than the disk can actually spin when compared to if I had just put the capacitors only on the spinning disk.

so,
if I get a measurable reading, then I will know what to build next.
if I get no reading, then I go for building a better high voltage power source. if still no result I will go back to the magnetic switched version or to spinning magnets. if that gets nothing I will go for making a much larger magnetic field like the homopolar generator that feeds back into itself (but I would have to buy parts to build that)

Van de Graaff Generators are pretty easy to make,
and the few data points I see show the ideal range is about 1.5MV to about 3MV, and a Van de Graaff Generator is about the easiest way to get that sort of voltage https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vandergraph_generator
a Wimshurst machine makes much more current, but unless it is really big, I am not going to get that kind of voltage out of one (do not use conductive segments if you build one (just use plane glass or plastic disks), the segments are not needed, mess with how much voltage they make, take time to make and install, and are only needed for it to be self starting) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wimshurst_machine

[Gambeir]

so I am trying to see if an electrostatic field can spin the magnetic field.
mostly because I can switch an electric field way easier and with more power than I can switch a magnetic field, and an do it way faster than I can physically spin a physical magnet
so I built a rotary switch for high voltage. it is built to charge and discharge the outputs 3 times for every turn of the disk and has 18 outputs around the disk (every 20 degrees)

my first test is the rotary switch to see what change it may make,
it is a spinning capacitor after all.
the spinning parts of the metal starts at 1.5 inches from the shaft and continues out 2.75 inches away from the shaft.

my large high voltage power supply is broken, so I tested with a 6.8KV AC supply that was put into a voltage doubler. so it should be about 19KV DC

my magnetic coil is 1.56 foot in dia. it is 19 gauge wire and is 28.7 ohms for the entire coil. I put 94V DC on it. I could go figure out how strong of a magnetic field that is, but just don't feel like doing math right now. can't run it to long because that is a tad over 300W into it and it starts to get hot after a while.

not sure how fast the disk spins, it is a 12V DC motor (maybe 12-24V ?) that is 1.5 inches dia. and 2 inches long, pulls about 3A to 5A on startup of the disk. takes a couple of min. to spin down after the power is cut. (so I short it's power wires to slow it down faster)

my G force sensor is good to 0.01% of earth's gravity and did not register anything at all.
so I guess next I build the capacitors and see if that gets me any results. the disk likely got ionized and was not much of a square edge field to make things spin. the capacitors should solve that issue.
and my guess is that for this to work I will need lots more voltage. might take me a while to build a new high voltage source. I think I will build a big vandegraph machine (or however it is spelled)
but running tests that I already have parts to first.
almost forgot, before I build the capacitors, will use high voltage pulsed DC out that I have already built to try and make the expanded crystals talked about earlier in this thread.

Hmm...you're thinking Spacecase0: I see what you're saying and trying to do. I think it's reasonable to test for such a possible outcome.

It's evident an electrostatic field is the propelling force driving the wheel in the experiment replicated by Xavier Borg @ Blaze Labs Research.
Experiments: Experiment 10

I have a couple issues with the Mascart experiment. One is replications, and the second would be replications which give formal data, and the third would be replications which demonstrate levitation.

Supposedly this arrangement will generate an electromagnetic field, but what then is the relative output of the generated magnetic field for a given input of high voltage? If the Mascart device has any value then it's got be capable of generating a useful amount of electromagnetic flux and that's a complete unknown, or at least I've not found any data as of yet.

So at any rate, in thinking about these un~answered questions I've realized that it will take physical experiments to provide some answers, and then I also asked myself the same question you're trying answer with your experiment.

[Gambeir]

Jerry's most poignant tests demonstrate that: "The field of a rotating disk magnet is independent of the motion of the magnet"; There is a latency in the magnetic field that results in the motion of the disk moving through it's own either non-moving or moving very slowly field.

The important and truly amazing fact is that the magnet field continues to move after the rotating disk stops!

Allen, first off great job on bringing that post here. Thanks for doing that, and I also appreciate your analysis of the Bayles pdf.

I can't seem to post any private messages. Been trying since early AM. For a while I couldn't even get the website without a Tor browser.

[spacecase0]

tests updates

so I am trying to see if an electrostatic field can spin the magnetic field.
mostly because I can switch an electric field way easier and with more power than I can switch a magnetic field, and an do it way faster than I can physically spin a physical magnet
so I built a rotary switch for high voltage. it is built to charge and discharge the outputs 3 times for every turn of the disk and has 18 outputs around the disk (every 20 degrees)

my first test is the rotary switch to see what change it may make,
it is a spinning capacitor after all.
the spinning parts of the metal starts at 1.5 inches from the shaft and continues out 2.75 inches away from the shaft.

my large high voltage power supply is broken, so I tested with a 6.8KV AC supply that was put into a voltage doubler. so it should be about 19KV DC

my magnetic coil is 1.56 foot in dia. it is 19 gauge wire and is 28.7 ohms for the entire coil. I put 94V DC on it. I could go figure out how strong of a magnetic field that is, but just don't feel like doing math right now. can't run it to long because that is a tad over 300W into it and it starts to get hot after a while.

not sure how fast the disk spins, it is a 12V DC motor (maybe 12-24V ?) that is 1.5 inches dia. and 2 inches long, pulls about 3A to 5A on startup of the disk. takes a couple of min. to spin down after the power is cut. (so I short it's power wires to slow it down faster)

my G force sensor is good to 0.01% of earth's gravity and did not register anything at all.
so I guess next I build the capacitors and see if that gets me any results. the disk likely got ionized and was not much of a square edge field to make things spin. the capacitors should solve that issue.
and my guess is that for this to work I will need lots more voltage. might take me a while to build a new high voltage source. I think I will build a big vandegraph machine (or however it is spelled)
but running tests that I already have parts to first.
almost forgot, before I build the capacitors, will use high voltage pulsed DC out that I have already built to try and make the expanded crystals talked about earlier in this thread.

[Gambeir]

Having major trouble making replies or sending PM messages at this time.

[Allen Burgess]

Magnet field independent of the motion of the magnet.

Jerry's most poignant tests demonstrate that: "The field of a rotating disk magnet is independent of the motion of the magnet"; There is a latency in the magnetic field that results in the motion of the disk moving through it's own either non-moving or moving very slowly field.

The important and truly amazing fact is that the magnet field continues to move after the rotating disk stops!

[Gambeir]

Take a look at this:

http://www.electrogravity.com/Flying...cerField_2.pdf

Great Job Burgess!
Wow...and he updated it four days ago as well. Can't go wrong with Bayles. He's been out there from way back. Great material there. I found this quote attached to the PDF link highly interesting as well, as I'm sure you yourself did. Might explain a few things huh?

"Field action diagram added on page 6 that details the generation and field sequence that creates the lifting force field as well as being able to generate a tractor or repulsion beam which can also shake solid matter to a powder if necessary.
Flying saucer design is based on creating a macroscopic quantum field to allow for quantum jumps without inertial effects and also propulsion via the A-vector quantum magnetic potential."
Electrogravity

Now I know others probably don't see this, but because of my special relationship with Universe I do, and what I see is a large dunce cap approaching...~LoL! Bring it Universe, I'm ready for you this time!

[Allen Burgess]

Jerry E. Bayles' "Flying Saucer PDF".

Take a look at this:

http://www.electrogravity.com/FlyingSaucerField/FlyingSaucerField_2.pdf