Figuera Device, Part G Continuum.( Serious Builders Only)

[marathonman]

Commutator

Yes sir, with the clip mechanism Doug was referring to and that commutator , i think UFOP you just might have a winner.

MM

[Ufopolitics]

A Nice Flat Commutator...

Hello to All,

I have found a nice Flat Commutator, it has 32 elements, and very nice built:

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It is unique on its class and comes from a Honda Motorcycle, the CBR600RR early models Starter Motor...and I got a used one from EBAY...at $19.00 USD plus shipping USPS like 12.00.

I still have the Eurton one which is on its way...but I am planning on building a tubing-like set, with also a second vertical brush to a flat slip ring...very compact.


Regards


Ufopolitics

[marathonman]

Vertical

Like you said less to worry about in the vertical commutator.

MM

[Ufopolitics]

You get PM??

MM

Yes MM, I did, even though I had to clean my mailbox was almost full...98%

I am working on a centrifugal mechanism which pushes brush down at high speeds...kind like a centrifugal governor type...I just hate to dump so many hours of work on my set up...


take care


Ufopolitics

[marathonman]

Understand and agreed.
or on top like Doug did which can also be vertical if on side.

You get PM??

MM

[Ufopolitics]

Facts happening in our system...

As i have stated before, yes i read all posts completely and i am aware we are dealing with little to no resistance and that is reeking havic on your power supplies.
it seams to me the cap is just a band aid to the real cause of the problem in which the real demon or culprit has not come to light yet. it is something i over looked or missed in the process.

Hello MM,

Related to the Capacitor...most Generators use a Cap on their exciter system, and it is NOT to avoid any sparks, but to start the inducing field from zero and so, added to reminiscent magnetism on core it starts self energizing and as speed goes up it reaches operational V & A therefore, generating the required magnetic field to do the inducing job on the Rotor Field (Primaries in our case).

Figuera Device basic concept is just about moving the Magnetic Field without the need of a mechanical Prime Mover...other than that fact...the rest is just to follow the typical structure and circuitry from a known Generator. And what I basically mean here, is that a Cap is a common, typical component utilized in most generators exciting system.

Related to Low Resistance and PSU's...we can not fool Ohms Law here based on Inductance to regulate our currents...PSU's are designed to work based on Ohm's Law and completely neglect to recognize the inductance generated on the exciting system.

And so, if a small capacitance AC cap does the job, as allowing me to dial voltage up...then BE VERY WELCOME!!!

I must ask you is your system running when you apply the power and are your primaries still getting saturated. i was thinking that if so your primaries are to strong and need less winding's as what you have is pure saturation and or you still are not getting the proper currant reduction with your part G for some reason.

I would say my primaries are way under reaching saturation levels MM. I can see fields fluctuating and induction shown at secondary, but there must be a specific strong field to be able to generate higher induction at high speeds...and so, if I am not able to dial the proper Voltage Up...that strong field does not take place, period.

This system, as any generator out there, requires a high operating speed to produce the induction at secondaries at the proper frequency. And so, if the field is not strong enough, then at high speeds the weak field literally "fades away" and we loose induction higher output levels.

As for Doug, yes it was him. i would not get your hopes up as he is like a bat in the night, striking only when he feels the need and reveals only what he wants to.
Wish he would join us on this thread.

Yes, definitively it would be GREAT if Doug1 decides to join here!!

They shipped me the wrong commutator. a horizontal was sent instead of a vertical. so i have a free horizontal commutator if any one wants it or needs a cool paper weight. i guess i will have to pay for the right one this time as i don't think another freebe will be sent. Arg ! even though i said i would post all their information on this thread about their part and web site if it worked out. i will find out today if the vertical will be sent as a sample.

MM

I ordered yesterday the flat commutator...Eurton Electric returned my money the first time I placed an order long ago...they told me did not have it...and did not care to offer the following level up...which is about same thing...this time I made sure I called before placing the order, got the name of the guy at parts dept...then call him back to give him my order number...they only had one...finally it is on its way to me...

We really need to test and observe this system behavior at Higher Speeds...

That is one thing which is setting me behind the eight ball...I can not reach higher speeds with the set up I have...I used the strap clock spring type (like Doug suggested), and make them screwing pressure adjustable...and still separates by centrifugal forces at high speeds plus small motor heats up by being too tight.

Vertical Flat Commutators...or the way Figuera had originally (sweeping from inside-out) are the only two ways we can have an operating system which does not looses contact at high speeds.


Take care Friend.



Ufopolitics

[marathonman]

Don't Hold Breath

As i have stated before, yes i read all posts completely and i am aware we are dealing with little to no resistance and that is reeking havic on your power supplies.
it seams to me the cap is just a band aid to the real cause of the problem in which the real demon or culprit has not come to light yet. it is something i over looked or missed in the process.

I must ask you is your system running when you apply the power and are your primaries still getting saturated. i was thinking that if so your primaries are to strong and need less winding's as what you have is pure saturation and or you still are not getting the proper currant reduction with your part G for some reason.

As for Doug, yes it was him. i would not get your hopes up as he is like a bat in the night, striking only when he feels the need and reveals only what he wants to.
Wish he would join us on this thread.

They shipped me the wrong commutator. a horizontal was sent instead of a vertical. so i have a free horizontal commutator if any one wants it or needs a cool paper weight. i guess i will have to pay for the right one this time as i don't think another freebe will be sent. Arg ! even though i said i would post all their information on this thread about their part and web site if it worked out. i will find out today if the vertical will be sent as a sample.

MM

[Ufopolitics]

UFOP;
since the signal coming from N & S are the same signal just a higher intensity than the other, what good would an AC cap do here other than being detrimental.
or am i just missing something here as i thought we were using DC.???

Hello MM,

An AC Cap installed between both terminals could create a Voltage Potential Difference, allowing me to rise Voltage at my LINEAR PSU.

See what I wrote before IS CRITICAL, maybe you did not read it completely...but the System having so low resistance NO ONE can simply dial any reasonable power in V & A to drive the magnetic fields which would create induction...

I thought a Linear PSU would do...but it DOES NOT either...behaving the same as the Switching one before.

Maybe when we connect ALL Primaries to be at our system...then it should do it. But then how could we be able to check the correct ratio primary to secondary on a single module?

as for Doug, well that can be a hit or miss as to what kind of mood he is in. ill ask him anyways.

it would be much more beneficial if he was here to tell you, if you know what i mean.


MM

I believe I saw Doug1 Comment on other Thread...was that him?...if so, he may chime in and tell Us both...what to do here.


Take care


Ufopolitics

[marathonman]

N & S Com

UFOP;
since the signal coming from N & S are the same signal just a higher intensity than the other, what good would an AC cap do here other than being detrimental.
or am i just missing something here as i thought we were using DC.???

as for Doug, well that can be a hit or miss as to what kind of mood he is in. ill ask him anyways.

it would be much more beneficial if he was here to tell you, if you know what i mean.


MM

[lota]

Hello,
AC 400V. Capacity 2-5 micro. you have to test it.

lota

[Ufopolitics]

Parallel Cap...

Fello Ufo,

use a 3 microfarat capacitor parallel to the kummutator.

Lota

Thanks Lota!!


I surely will try that...you think that will allow me to rise Voltage at PSU?

I am guessing it would need to be a non polarized or AC Capacitor...right?

And installed between both terminals out to primaries...right?


Thanks for the suggestion!


Regards


Ufopolitics

[Ufopolitics]

The Reality on the System...

Thanks MM,

However, besides all mechanical issues, there is one fact that I would like You to also consult with Doug...

As you know I have tried with the only existing Two Regulated Power Supplies invented so far, switched and linear..and none will allow me to rise Volts at the requested rate...amperage I can easily dial it up...but not the voltage.

And this is because we need at least certain operational resistance within the exciting system...and it is not just about adding a resistor in between...that would not work, because I have tried it.

As Lota wrote (Thanks Lota!!)...I am gonna try a low (3-5) Mfd AC Capacitor between both comm terminals to N-S...maybe this will allow us to rise V...because Voltage would flash between condenser plates...i don't know...only testing will tell us.


Regards



Ufopolitics

[marathonman]

Relay

Sure thing friend, i'll make sure he gets the message.

MM

[Ufopolitics]

UFOP;
The reason you are getting erratic behavior is what we talked about on the other thread about a week or so ago. your primaries and secondaries are completely saturated. try dialing down on the voltage and amperage to a small amount then work your way up. this was also verified from Doug as to the cause.

also according to the info i pm'ed you about that refers to your brushes. as he went through the same thing i would heed the advice from him. the advice seams much more secure and heavy duty from what you are presently using.

MM

Good Morning MM,

Yes I got it thanks!!

And yes, absolutely I am having big time issues with the brush and its not holding tight at higher speeds, actually it separates from contacts(Amps drop to zero)...besides it was NOT touching two elements at comm.

I am working on that as I write here now...but the way to go here is with VERTICAL COMM-BRUSH...Period.

Many thanks and please tell Doug thanks for his correction to my set up


Regards


Ufopolitics

[marathonman]

Signal

UFOP;
The reason you are getting erratic behavior is what we talked about on the other thread about a week or so ago. your primaries and secondaries are completely saturated. try dialing down on the voltage and amperage to a small amount then work your way up. this was also verified from Doug as to the cause.

also according to the info i pm'ed you about that refers to your brushes. as he went through the same thing so i would heed the advice from him. the advice seams much more secure and heavy duty from what you are presently using.

MM