Figuera Device, Part G Continuum.( Serious Builders Only)

[Cadman]

Hi Ufo,

Nice rotary switch, I'm envious.

Unfortunately there is a normal loss or could say a "decay" -in field strength Max-Curve- that I have observed whenever we reach higher speeds based on this type of field fluctuations...

I can see two things that are influencing this in your set up. Judging by your photos you are using a solid core and one continuous winding for the inducer. Eddy currents and reactance.

If you intend to keep your inducing coil & core set up as they are, then the best operating frequency for it is already established.

Regards,
CM

[marathonman]

Bench

That's funny i just cleaned mine yesterday.

Yes, we can agree to disagree and still work together but as something to consider is that our universe takes the path of least resistance no mater what it is. EMF, Currant flow, magnetic flow, it doesn't mater it all takes the path of the least resistance. if you have a ferrous material with a shorter path then the total length of the primary and secondary core together the magnetic field will take a B line for the shorter path in every case every time. this causes the magnetic field traveling through the secondary to be diminished to a low value as the pressure between the two primaries and the shorter path of least reluctance will siphon off most of the magnetic field.

It is all about pressures and when there is a shorter least resistant path IT WILL TAKE IT.

MM

[Ufopolitics]

Open versus Closed Cores...

I agree but with this in mind, i surely recall Doug saying that once the field is brought up to 80 to 90 % that the currant will fall off because of the reluctance, the resistance to change from the long air paths.

MM

If we do just like Figuera did..."carefully observe a generator..."

We will notice the Exciter Field Core is OPEN...However, it is sweeping within a CLOSED IRON CORE of the Induced Secondaries (Generating Fields)...this fact, reduces air paths as so reluctance considerably.

We are working with OPEN CORES at Secondaries here...and like I wrote before...enclosing secondaries cores with iron would do the trick...but only time and testing will tell...since You disagree there with me...saying it will short magnetic fields...

Time will tell friend..

Gotta get back to organizing my bench (is a real mess)...lot of work to be done there...3 PSU's and a lot to be rearranged...


Regards


Ufopolitics

[marathonman]

Decay and field Strength

I agree but with this in mind, i surely recall Doug saying that once the field is brought up to 80 to 90 % that the currant will fall off because of the reluctance, the resistance to change from the long air paths.
once the fields are established the ability to move the fields becomes almost effortless and the currant traveling through the wire will see the primaries as almost a straight wire traveling right past. the field will only use what it needs to maintain it self, the rest will run right on by as if not there so adding additional primaries will add almost nothing in a way of resistance and load. that is why Figuera used thick wire on his primaries as this allows many of them to be added with no strain on the system what so ever.

also by using thick wire on Part G and using self inductance to control the currant rise and fall in unison we are left with an extremely efficient system of almost no losses.

That is why i have said in the past, "WELCOME TO THE WORLD OF FIGUERA" as he is in a category all his own, a Physicist like NO OTHER.

MM

[Ufopolitics]

In the search of the Required Inducing Field...

Hello to All,

Thanks MM and Cornboy, yes it is indeed, needed to have a reliable field driving controller that would allow Us to reach the proper RPM's...once done the rest is to concentrate our search for the Required Field that would not fade away at higher speeds, then inducing greatly our Secondaries.

Unfortunately there is a normal loss or could say a "decay" -in field strength Max-Curve- that I have observed whenever we reach higher speeds based on this type of field fluctuations...The Angle of fluctuation kind of "shrinks" and so Induction drops or collapses...And this decay does not take place in a typical generator where the field is always ON with steady currents feeding.

So, basically this is where I believe our key to success is...to find the right and specific field strength in order that when we reach the operating RPM's fluctuations, the Field still be deflecting within the right displacement angle.

Once we reach this "data" (basically the fixed V & A feeding of the Primaries) the rest I see it as a "piece of cake"...just making more sets or modules of Primaries-Secondaries which eventually will be using the same Field. I mean, we may have to add a bit more power because of adding more primaries, but because of the low resistance, the additional power requirements would be very small...and so induced secondaries will be outputting way above our Input.

Another advantage that I see coming soon after we reach the right field...is when we "Spatially Align" ALL our Primaries Fields together, then they will start fluctuations at unison, which will eventually "spatially blend/fuse" all fields together as one...this fact will reinforce as becoming a Unified Stronger Field ...then we may need to lower input supply a bit...

We will get there soon...


Regards


Ufopolitics

[Cornboy 555]

Looks Great UFO, nice and smooth, this should make your switching a lot easier, 3600 effortless.

All the Best everyone,

Regards Cornboy.

[marathonman]

Very Nice

Looks fantastic UFOP, looks like your spikes and dips should be a thing of the past, very good work.
and thanks for the vid.

MM

[Ufopolitics]

Testing Swicth at 3600 RPM's...

Hello All,

A short video showing my rotary switch, now with the Eurton Vertical (Flat) Commutator...and setting the right V & A that gets the 3600 Operating RPM's...

[VIDEO]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KoRQH0HXw54&feature=youtu.be[/VIDEO]

FIGUERA ROTARY SWITCH VERT COMM 1

I just did some light modification to the small motor...since I had to redo the whole thing...so I would be able to run rotary switch for longer periods of time...while testing different Primaries and secondaries set up, plus different field V & A settings until getting the desired strong magnetic field...it was getting too hot before when I was testing for a while...now it is great!...

By the way...wanted to say that I did get that CBR Starter Motor...and actually got disappointed when it is placed right next to the Eurton one...it's got too small elements...and about same diameter as Eurton's...but it really do not look that big and tough as in the picture I showed previously...Meaning, I do not recommend to get it

Eurton Commutator is cheap ($19.50 USD)...and it is a very tough built commutator for this purpose...btw I cut off the rear "neck" off the mica end...with just a carbide cutting disc...wear mask, the Phenoldehyde Mica dust is not good to breath.

Only thing is that you must call Eurton and make sure they have it in stock before ordering it...as I bought the last one they had...until they get more...


Regards to All and happy building!!



Ufopolitics

[Shadow119g]

Great!!

Sounds great to me....still working on two mechanical part "G's"

Good luck!
Shadow

[marathonman]

Electronics

Shadow;
I had an veteran electronic's person check out my board and he had seen no flaws and liked my design. i have always wanted from the start to do both and that is exactly what i am doing.

Nailed a Dish network interview and will start next week for training as other fell smooth apart. what this means is i will have money flowing in to finish my build and electronics.

i want to test with commutator first to make sure my part G is operating properly and or work out the bugs then switch to electronic switching. i have 15 feet of rectangle wire left and 35 feet of 10 awg as back up so i think i am good.
can't wait to test my part G, the suspense is killing me.

pic below is what i am working on right now.



MM

[GlenWV]

Update

Greetings all:

@MM: I will visit my machinist/teacher friend this week and get pics of the 3"core material.

Also, I found another commutator place and posted it, (found it!): COMMUTATORS.COM

These folks look to be the 'real deal', I hope.

My plan is to get one set of cores cut and use them to experiment with. I'll wind one set of primaries with thin copper sheet, and the secondary with #14 gauge wire and see how that plays. (need a bit of 3/8 brass all- thread rod, too!)

It warmed up enough to work outside yesterday, so I started unwinding another toroidal transformer to get it's core. I hope to finish that today and stack it on the other two.

Then, in the next couple of weeks, I hope to get down to 'WV Coil Company'. These folks supposedly stock both square magnet wire and thin copper sheet. Again supposedly, these materials are sold by the pound.

If all works out, I'll purchase enough square magnet wire to wind the 3 layer toroid tight. If the copper sheet works best for primaries, then I'll get enough material to do all the primaries.

The commutators.com folks have vertical face commutators, so I'm going to seek a 36 bar commutator from them. I think those folks can make whatever a person wants.

Keep at it guys!!

glenWV

[Shadow119g]

Hope

MM
I sure hope your electronic part "G" will work!
Building the rotating commutator is a pain in the
butt.
HA HA
I'll get it done anyway.
Shadow

[marathonman]

Primary cores

Was BS'ing around today with nothing to do. just playing around with the magnetic fields from my primaries and wow what a field i am getting. very good intense field even from my little two inch diam cores. really looking forward to Glen's results from his three inch cores.
there is a big difference in va output from two to three inch cores whether it be round or square.

when i can get the material i will be shooting for a three inch square laminated core like 6 inches long for primaries and 5 inch for secondaries but we have a lot of ground to cover tell i or rather we get to that point.

hope everyone is enjoying some quiet times on their days off.

MM

[marathonman]

Commutator

Well Toledo commutator deal fell through. those bonehead tried to convince me their comm's were heavy duty. after careful study of the drawing they sent me i decided to pass on their crap. so i guess i am stuck with the 19.50 Vertical one previously posted.

Hey Glen;
Would love to see a pic of that 3 inch core you have, drool, drool.

MM

[Cornboy 555]

Sounds Great UFO, hope it goes well for you, being able to dial up the RPM without counter weights etc, will simplify testing for you.

I am still wire hunting, will join in soon.

Regards Cornboy.