Splitting The Positive

[Mario]

Dave, this is so easy that it actually gets tricky, lol. So you mean six paralleled strands are in series with the other six paralleled strands?

Mario

[BroMikey]

Mario,
I have 12 total strands on the coil. I put six in series with the other six, so it appears I only have six strands on the coils.

Yeah but yer runnin at least 2800 rpm's. I'll be glad to reach 1500 rpm's
running the 3 battery split pos...........Matt mod mtr at 14.75vdc
using the re-circulation booster circuit. So I might need 8-10
strands in series twice, leaving some single strands to raise voltage.

You got to get one of these.

One more coil on this setup and they'll be coming out of the wood work
to prove me wrong.

[BroMikey]

Oops Strand Length

I was way way off, I just measured an extra spool I had from a cast
away dishwasher pump just like all of my 29 awg wire and as it turns
out after cutting off 3 foot at the end of the winding process and another
foot to tie up the starting point to feed into the machine plus another
3 foot of connection leads, the coils themselves are exactly 175 feet
long.

I could always pull some off?,, if my voltages were that far off? I think
maybe I need the length anyway for such a slow rotor. I like slow and
easy the best any how.

175' X 24 strands = Oops 4200 feet

[BroMikey]

Here you see what I did tonight. The bracket and coil are made and
in place. Now I need to set the magnets and secure them in position.
next.New pictures coming soon.

[Mario]

Yup. That simple.

Dave, ok, it's actually still not what I thought. I thought you meant six strands connected in parallel are in series with the other six strands that are connected in parallel with each other. Then I reread your sentence: "...so it appears I only have six strands on the coils". So is it A or B of the attached drawing?

Mario

[BroMikey]

Mario,
Sorry, your picture is hard for me to make out on my phone, but I don't think it is A or B.

The coil is wound with 12 wires in parallel. When I finish winding the coil, I take a single wire and put it in series with one other wire. That gives my one wire twice as long. I do this six times in total. Now I have what appears to be only six wires on my coil because there are six beginnings and six ends.

So I end up with six strands in parallel. Each strand is composed of two wires that are in series.

Okay thanks Dave and Mario I misunderstood the strand numbers that
Dave has also Mario. So holding to the coil amounts of 3000 feet Dave
MIGHT have 250 feet per strand so 2 in series is all Dave needs to SUUL
or 500 feet. But the part that really blows me away is that under normal
conditions if I put another 500 foot section in parallel with the first 500
feet you wound expect that the resistance would thrown out things.

These parallel series Tesla connections are very strange indeed. Then
to realize that 2 strands in series is 500 feet but must be bifilar
because it won't act the same as a straight 500 feet is a hard one
to wrap my brain around too.

So we are talking phenomena. These bifilar series connected then
adding more of the same together in parallel needs to be studied more
closely so may shake the assumptions we might have that these
arrangements will act like what we normally understand about a single
coil of wire.

It appears that self capacitance increases formed thru the use of this
bifilar connection are not as easily altered during operation by outside
influences such as adjacent windings like conventional coils are.

Yes I think i have a lot to learn about series connected strands running
under load tied to other identical winding in parallel. Normally speak-
ing when a generator coil uses 500 foot strand times 6 of them
put in parallel the resistance would form a regenerative braking
circuit so evidently there is more at play than mere resistance
values and the way we think about generator coils.

When you think about the first bifilar connection which is two parallel
strands connected in series people wonder why not just use a single
wire right?

That's because we have not tried it yet.

It could be that EACH bifilar connection will form a circulation of
energy that does not interact with adjacent winding the way we are
use to.



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[Mario]

That's because we have not tried it yet.

I did, as you can read in the last part of my post 450.

Mario

[BroMikey]

Perhaps outside of that narrow band it will not
work. I really don't CARE, nor is it worth arguing about or having bad
feelings about or calling names over.

I don't think nearly enough research has been done on this to
substantiate anyone's theory.........................


'''''''''''''''''''''It simply means I do not yet know why I am WRONG.

...................we should be willing to listen to those who disagree with
us and our positions and treat them respectfully. Nothing is gained by
insulting each other, and MUCh could be lost.

..........I know Mario's concern is that we may get speed up under load
from resonance


Dave

Hey Dave
Have fun with the grand children, I'll bet you can see yourself in there.

I agree to disagree is fine as long as people have a machine and some
results. They also have to have some creditably of which Mario has none
with me. No offense but Mario has not earned any yet.

I like Mario and am open but until he and others who big terms show
results and are able to stand up to questioning, I will not consider there
input useful. But hey that's just me.

Mario and so many others are welcome to show there results WITH
their claims JUST like the res of us who put one leg at a time into a
pair of pants.

I have hit you, gave my opinion, spoken down to you and you sent me
money. I can't do anything to sake you, this makes you a real adult
male.

I hope to hear from you soon. I will not stand by and say nothing,
you know that

[BroMikey]

Hello Ladies and Gentlemen

I finally hooked it up today just like I hooked up another old Bedini
wound coil I had. I answered my own question today and if you don't
have any time or any money to do testing and all you want to do is
rock-in chair Physics then all you have left is the "TEACHER TOLD ME"
syndrome.

Meanwhile back at the ranch Mikey stopped jackin his jaw, went to work
and got the answer for himself, yours truly. What answer was that?
See how little you remember? You mean you don't remember
what I asked good ole Turion man last month? Shame shame.

Here was my question. I wanted to know if when Turion had his scooter
motor wheeling along with his rotor and magnets but no coils, what was
the amp draw.

I thought it to be a legitimate question, yet i never heard anyone show
that figure. There are untold experimenters all over the world wide web
and when they do their little tube video al you see is something turning
half the time they are teenagers or really young guys starting out. You
will see a question mark in their video title and when they speak they
sound all choked up.

Here is and was my original point. If I connect a rotor to my 1300 miliamp
scooter motor and it goes up to 2000ma then how much does the amp
draw rise to with an installed coil.

So far with the rotor within close proximity, enough to show volts on
the meter the amp draw did not change. Zero change.

The answer is that motor and rotor amp draw is the same as motor,
rotor and open circuit Gen coil amps.

So concludes this portion of my test.

I have 24 wires connected to my terminal strip and have another 24
strands to solder up and then mount the board on the machine to run
further tests.

For those of you need refreshing and or didn't hear the results of another
coils response to this same rotor, I put a shorter coil and core to it and it
draw around 300 ma, it was 720 feet, this coil is a "C" core unlike the first
and it is 4200 feet long.

It's almost as if the rotor knows what coil I have up here.

Look in Turions posts above and you will see the phrase "OR BETTER" what
did Turion mean when he kept saying "OR BETTER"??

Once you get above the critical MINIMUM anything above that length
of wire still works, once the condition is met the coil will generate power
while assisting the rotor action speeding it up.

So here is the question, can I get more or just as much back as I put in?

Answer: ????

Well if I can run my Modified scooter motor at 1.3 amps and it goes up to
2 amps with magnet rotor and coil then all I need to break even is 700 ma.
at the right voltage coming out of my generator coil.

The fun begins.

Next we will all witness together the phenomena called
"SPEED UP UNDER LOAD" (SUUL) also known a
"ACCELERATION UNDER LOAD" (AUL) also known as
"REGENERATIVE ACCELERATION" instead of the well know
"Regenerative Braking"

Can we get the rotor to relax on amps by assisting it?

Can we get the amp draw to go down with the coil under a load?

Can we get the rotor to speed up under load?

Can we get more out of the generator coil than what we used to get
the thing rotating?

How much current in ma do we save when speed up comes?

Questions like this and more should be on our list of data collection

How many ma will I save with 2 generator coils that together speed
up the rotor even more than a single coil does?



Am I get thru to anyone?


It's okay, never mind I'll let you know soon.

[BroMikey]

TEST # 2

The second test was to move the coil poles in closer than 8mm or
5/16th to 3/16ths of an inch or a little less.

Question: DId the amp draw go up
Answer : NO or none.


Question: Third test what is the voltage reading of a single strand of wire?

Answer: 11.5vac

In fact with only 1 wire connected to the meter all of the wires
on the other side read 11.5 vac. So by this we see voltage is stored in
however much copper is present.

All 4200 feet of this coil open circuit holds 11.5vac with each strand
175 feet long. I don't know what my next test will be but I will let you
all know.

BTW the cogging is much stronger at 3/16ths inch air gap and if there
inf act was an increase in amp draw it was so small I could not read it
on a 0-5amp inline meter.

This surprised me greatly as I expected to see a rise in amp draw with
a much greater cogging pull, so what we must conclude is that whatever
magnetic flux is being stirred up in open circuit mode or in the static
state, this flux just evens out and pose no opposition to rotor action.

MORE TEST COMING

[SkyWatcher]

Hi all, thanks for sharing the information turion.
Hi mikey, thank you for sharing your results, look forward to seeing good stuff from your setup.
Unless i missed it, you didn't actually say your rotor increased in speed when loaded, you just said the motor amps did not increase.
So have you observed speed up yet?
I'm currently winding a large coil, single strand, with 30awg. magnet wire, directly onto a ferrite tube core.
Using a drill to speed up the winding process, as it would take forever without it.
Will post any results on my thread.
peace love light

Oh yes, meant to ask you mikey, what gauge magnet wire are you using, i must have missed it, thought i saw 29awg.

[Mario]

Hi Dave,

ok, I see how your coil's setup now. Compared to your first setup wich was 3 strands, 800 feet long in parallel, the latest is the total 2400 feet divided into 12, but the way they're connected it's actually like having 6 strands 400 feet long. This is very interesting because you seem to get the neutral point at lower speed with a coil which has lower inductance than the first one, which defies what I've seen until now.

What I suspect may be happening is that higher inductance helps until a certain point, after which the resistance of the coil gets so high that, although it's shifting the phase, not enough amps can flow, meaning it can't reflect back The BEMF by "motoring", achieving speed up. This is just a supposition of course.

So except for the wires, is everything else exactly the same as in you first coil setup? Are your cores the same? Are they plain iron or iron rods?

Bro I'm not even getting back to your aggressive rants. I never have and never will call Dave a liar. Why should I? Nor am I claiming to have all the answers. I only know what I found from my experiments and share it. We are people who are trying get get to the bottom of all these variables, this through a friendly exchange. Dave surely has shared a lot and I applaud his efforts. I don't need to prove anything to anyone, I've been working on many things for the last 10 years. I could record the nicest videos, to prove what? Everyone can only prove things to himself. One thing is sure. Whatever I have found I have always shared over the years, just as I did when you started your cap pulser experiments...

Since this is your thread, one word is enough and I'm gone..

Mario

Mario

[BroMikey]

Since this is your thread, one word is enough and I'm gone..


Mario

Okay I guess you are right, I just have not seen any of your stuff. Maybe
I will leave you alone now that you corrected me. I don't mind being
put in my place.

[BroMikey]

that amp draw at start up pegs my 60 amp meter,


.....you will never build a machine capable of serious power production.

I guess I am not doing what you are doing yet. My magnets are 1/2"
diameter passing a 3/4" square core twice using the "C" core. Don't get
me wrong, she cogs like crazy but my 10" diameter rotor on that
big scooter motor frame just doesn't feel anything. The torque on the
Matt Mod Mtr is outrageous and I can't get the amp draw to budge.

She is rock solid at 2 amps with what I call my flywheel magnet rotor.

THere is something about that modified mtr that is special. Another thing
is the output I can get might be questionable I don't know yet. Maybe I
will tighten the gap to 1/8th inch to see if I can get some ma increases.

One coil may not give me much back with so thin of a wire but if it
speeds up under a load I will have learned something new. I think my
small n42 magnets are not even close to the optimum saturation point
so for this I am glad. I wanted to stay way under and change magnets
later to see the difference.

3/16th to 1/4" gap is just to great to cause any amp increases with
these little darlins. Are you running .060 gaps? Of course the pull force
goes way up the closer you get, I just can't do it yet because my
magnets need scratching up good, set, super glued and then there is
this specialize epoxy coating rotors use with rubber in it to help with
the vibration.

That coating needs to go on first before I can increase the cogging
pull force. Or are you running a .120 gap? Naturally to approach this
scientifically using some method, a graph to plot the benefits or
increases on one end out weighting the other side.

You know what i mean.

[BroMikey]

Hi all, thanks for sharing the information turion.
Hi mikey, thank you for sharing your results, look forward to seeing good stuff from your setup

So have you observed speed up yet?


Oh yes, meant to ask you mikey, what gauge magnet wire are you using, i must have missed it, thought i saw 29awg.

yes it is 29 awg from out of those very tiny dishwasher pumps. No I
have not finished my terminal mount yet but i did stop right in the middle
of building and ran this test.

MY NEW TEST

I have the rotor turning and am observing the cogging amp draws at
a few different gaps, this much I think everyone has heard me talk
about. So I went back to work and had to stop to vacuum down a
refrigerator I jumped over on my rig to try something new.

This time I fired it up and loaded a single strand of 29 awg 175 feet long
that slowed down the rotor (I think from the sound) 100 rpm's that is
a bunch, the amp draw climbed right up to around 2400 ma. Normal
amp draw is 2000ma till the monkey flips the switch.

So the braking action is as far as I have gotten. To do more testing I
must finish my connection board by soldering and marking. An ohm
meter must be used extensively to find the correct wire to then solder.

There are 48 connection terminals so 24 more and I will then mount them
to the machine. Then I will need to do more to lock the magnets is place
within a few thousandths of an inch. I am just not nearly done yet but
in my excitement jumped the gun so to speak.

All of the tests you see me make now will be made again as I get it
finished and more accurate. With the terminals ready to except jumper
wires I can begin to add strands into series to find my machines break
away point.

Since I am as anxious as you are to do the SUUL test I'll let everything
hang out to make the test next. I'll do it again and again as time goes
by especially when I tighten up the gaps.

Judging from my braking test i was generating 300 ma and the voltage
was 1.5vac for a single strand, less than a half of a watt. I have no
idea what this all means.