Non Lab testing equipment. Toy Tacho / rpm junk floating 50-100 rpm at steady state (Joke) White marks, reflective tape. What a wild ride and yet people call themselves advanced researchers after
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Got my high dollar RPM meters (both) today, these are heavy duty accurate measuring devices so now I need the magnetic pickup. https://www.redlion.net/sites/defaul...t%20Manual.pdfLast edited by BroMikey; 05-30-2020, 07:31 AM.
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You think Thane is the boogieman? What a bunch of thankless people full of themselves. You are not different than the main cross section BYE. Feel better? You shouldn't. This is why an engineer won't try to help you peeps who think everyone is a bad person, trying to deceive. Of course they don't know because they themselves are not capable of engineering measurement so what? No one else can do it either? This is a brain dead bunch of haters of others and only lovers of themselves.Originally posted by bistander View Post
Appears that the scope shows zero current. No delay because there is no current.
Be careful from whom you take your lessons about the use of instruments.
bi
The meters show volts and amps in each case a loaded condition, what is you comment?
You conscience is filthy, certain of you
When you bless the hearts of the gift givers around here we will all know who is who and what is what. Thane is not evil, nor is he an idiot, nor a liar. Most of you are like BYE, unwilling to step out on faith(You have none) you can't trust anyone not even yourselves
What a mess.
Go read a book and come back when you have learned to set up a dual trace scope the way I mentioned (I am done repeating) Plus those machines Thane is showing you, are special reading JUS,T what you see. Volts, amps, power but how would you know that unless I told you. But you think it is fake? Or does not apply? Or is insignificant? Or evil? Or more like not within your intellectual grasp?
Like I said an engineer has learned these simple measuring principles in his or her early 20's and you peeps want to argue and or ignore what is being given to you? Won't take the time to acknowledge the basic principles and will never commend your superiors? The less you will get. Aaron understands how to do all of this, he may or may not show this as the average guy really doesn't get it anyhow. Don't waste your time.
Anyway I am right and so is Thane, be still and learn. Tomorrows lessen will be more on manners. I am not done.
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Appears that the scope shows zero current. No delay because there is no current.Originally posted by BroMikey View PostAll engineering students have dual trace scopes and can see the voltage and with the second channel can see the amperage together in real time. The first picture shows one of many examples of normal generated power to a resistance load. Not a capacitive load and not an inductive load, a resistive load such as a light bulb.
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Picture one is standard generating and shows the loaded condition. There is no delay.
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Be careful from whom you take your lessons about the use of instruments.
bi
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All engineering students have dual trace scopes and can see the voltage and with the second channel can see the amperage together in real time. The first picture shows one of many examples of normal generated power to a resistance load. Not a capacitive load and not an inductive load, a resistive load such as a light bulb.
If you do not have a dual trace scope and know how to set up both channels to measure this while your genbox is in progress you just can't be sure. However you will have to take someone's word for it. I have and it does delay.
Picture one is standard generating and shows the loaded condition. There is no delay. Picture 2 is when the null (as we call it ) is reached or maybe a tiny bit beyond. You must understand vectors in the time domain.
Just take my word for, Thane is right. His rpm does rise just a little to show a few rpm (20) increase but in every case the delay does exist. Even at the perfect null point. The fellow in the video probably does not know how to set up a dual reading and had no intention of that to begin with, knowing that the average person has no clue of what I am talking about.
Perfect wool pulling adventure over the simple.
Hi Dave, SUP? I know you have a gun now so plz don't shoot
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Hi all, hi bromikey, yes, think it is probably similar to adams motor/generator.
Hi turion, yes, that's what my thoughts were in a previous post, having to neutralize the south pole created in the core, from a north pole approaching magnet.
Not sure how much efficiency is lost because of that, though bet it is significant.
peace love light
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Bro,
I am not sure that current MUST lag the voltage to get delayed Lenz, so the fact that the scope shows that it does not is probably very accurate. As I have stated before. Lenz is a reaction. It's like you pull the trigger on your favorite pistol. 1. The trigger pull drops the hammer or the firing pin onto the primer at the back of the bullet casing, 2. The primer sparks. 3. The spark from the primer sets off the main charge of gunpowder inside the shell. 4. The rapid expansion of gas from this explosion propels the bullet down the barrel of the gun. 5. The rifling in the barrel spins the bullet like a football. 6. As the bullet leaves the barrel the rest of the expanding gas comes out behind it, resulting in the report and flash.
It is not one event. It is a SERIES of events. Each one takes TIME. If I could run FAST enough, I would be in a different place when the bullet arrived where I had been when the trigger was pulled.
Just like I could outrun a bullet if I was fast enough, we can outrun Lenz.
As (for example) a NORTH magnet approaches the iron core of the coil it begins to turn the iron core into a SOUTH facing magnet that ATTRACTS the approaching NORTH magnet. But as the magnetic field in the iron grows, (It doesn't happen instantly) it induces an electrical current in the coil if that coil is under load. Because of the unique way we wind our coils, this "TIME" is extended because the CAPACITY of the coil to accept that electricity has increased, which slows down the magnetic reaction that takes place. As the current grows in strength, it begins to turn the iron core into a NORTH magnet but must first NEUTRALIZE the south magnetism that was already forming in the core. Once that magnetism has been overcome or neutralized, it turns the core into a NORTH magnet that will repel the approaching NORTH magnet on the rotor. If our rotor is moving FAST enough, it is too late and the rotor magnet is already at top dead center. We simply outrun the reaction, just like I could outrun the bullet. (I'd have to lose a little weight first, but I'm sure I could do it.)
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Good enough, giver her a shot and see if you can get it to work. The Adam's motor had counter opposing fields of coils 180 degrees. I would be interested. Of even a circuit that sends half a square wave to the coil, then the second is switched back to the battery upon collapse.Originally posted by SkyWatcher View PostHi all, Hi bromikey, the drawing is just to give an idea, it would need magnets on both sides of air coil to be productive and then cored coils can be outside of that for nullifying.
A test model will be small, just to see if the nullifying core/coil can use less than the air coil generates.
Plus, if this could work, then the need for more complex multi-strand coils could be removed.
Hi turion, yes, that's partly why the idea popped into my head most likely.
peace love light
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Hi all, Hi bromikey, the drawing is just to give an idea, it would need magnets on both sides of air coil to be productive and then cored coils can be outside of that for nullifying.
A test model will be small, just to see if the nullifying core/coil can use less than the air coil generates.
Plus, if this could work, then the need for more complex multi-strand coils could be removed.
Hi turion, yes, that's partly why the idea popped into my head most likely.
peace love light
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Dude glad you liked the video and are very interested. Where is your rotor with magnets? Start by trying your own setup, then you will laugh at yourself for this question. Once again let me start from the beginning, Take a coil of wire next to a passing magnet like your lawnmower does to create a spark for the sprarkplug.Originally posted by Deco56 View Post
I am just trying to learn . Seems like a legit set up and details are shown. But you still haven't offered a rebuttal to the video...you just give ad hominem attacks....
That is drag down generating. The video has both DRAG DOWN generating and speed up generating. Neither in the video puts out more than it takes to run so give up now if you thought you were home free.
Infact anyone not building just give up on understanding what is going on here. Bowling, Golf or roller skating cost money and is a better place to send it if you are after a quick easy save the world win adventure.
Just horsing around.
If you understood the video you would know that the delay had to be present to get speed up, of which he says his scope did not show any. Fake News
But again since you are not building you don't know any of the criteria. It is like asking me to talk Latin to a Chinese.
Here is what I have learned. Run a motor takes 2 units, run a motor with the rotor and magnets takes 4 units, run a motor to rotor with coil not loaded takes 6 units of power. Now start testing how much the coil can give back. This is standard generating for the last 140 years. After that you will be ready for non standard testing. Otherwise go big or go home.Last edited by BroMikey; 05-29-2020, 12:47 AM.
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I am just trying to learn . Seems like a legit set up and details are shown. But you still haven't offered a rebuttal to the video...you just give ad hominem attacks....Originally posted by BroMikey View Post
Yup same ole video everyone posts and goes away thinking they were right all along. No one builds a $2000 rotor that size for fun. He was sent to discredit by the big names.
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Very few serious experimenters who really understand the value of energy in all of their delivery forms. Energy for gasoline, energy for gas heat, energy for the electric bill to cool the house, dry the cloths, pump water in the fields of the farm, power to weld metal. Everything takes energy and most of what we make goes up in spent energy so the green horn who hasn't quite figure this all out looks at the investigation like a toy play thing. Still wet behind the ears, not serious. Live a while and watch what I mean now happening to you when energy SHOULD be far less. Instead it will double and triple over time.
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Sky,
That's basically what I do with my generator. Only my coils (on the left) have iron or ferrite cores. And instead of a coil on the right, I have an adjustable magnet.
One thing I did want to mention here that I forgot to bring up earlier. I was VERY HAPPY with the video posted by bi and then again by Deco56 because it showed that FERRITE CORES will speed up under load. So now I don't have to spend my time doing the experiment to figure out if they will work or not. MUCH appreciated.
Oh, and in the words of celebrated science fiction writer Robert Heinlein:
"Never worry about theory as long as the machinery does what it's supposed to do."Last edited by Turion; 05-28-2020, 07:14 AM.
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Nice picture and speculation, let us know if it works or no. I have air core coils and compared to coils with core put out a fraction. Next to nothing. But verify the principle then report.Originally posted by SkyWatcher View PostHi all, Hi bromikey, here is the idea that came to mind the other day.
Think it fits this thread a little, since it is using a similar magnetic field nullifying concept or magnetic balancing act, to gain greater efficiency, maybe.
peace love light
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