Keshe, Fraud, Fraud or super-plasma-coated Fraud?

[SlickDick]

By Keshe Foundation Aruba, who claim 950-1000 Watts into a 40 Watt fan as the load. You think you might question their competency using those measuring devices?

You would think it is'nt rocket sience, but try to explain that to the KF Spaceship Institute.

[Ben2503]

watt hours

By Keshe Foundation Aruba, who claim 950-1000 Watts into a 40 Watt fan as the load. You think you might question their competency using those measuring devices?

They probably mean 950 and 1000 Watt-Hours.
The only problem I have with this set-up is the fact that these Watt-hours meters are probably not recently calibrated. These meters have a lot of moving parts and are bound to become less accurate over time. The initial accuracy is < 2%, depending on power factor and load.

But time will tell, if the 'energy savings' remain around 5% then calibration is the issue, else they might have a real energy saving device.

Personally I would make recordings every 24 hours and then swap the meters, just to be sure.
Interesting though

Best regards,
Ben

[bistander]

They probably mean 950 and 1000 Watt-Hours.

Yes, I think so too. But my point remains. Trusting someone who can't get the units correct for power and energy to conduct and publish the test is just as bad.

bi

[Aaron]

scam qualification

I can't tell you how many emails I get with people asking me about the reality of Keshe. My default answer is that I have never focused on any of it because there is too much review and time will tell.

Whether a technology works or not doesn't have anything to do with being a scam because there are many people with legitimate things over the years that have pulled quite elaborate scams - legitimate services all flushed down the drain because some greedy imbecile plays some pump and dump game with stock prices - scam with something that works. So even if something works, it can still be part of a scam and of course that doesn't rule out the fact that things that don't work are parts of scams too - just a distinction that needs to be stated.

I see this nano-coat business that is supposed to coat my entire electrical system? Maybe it works, maybe it doesn't, but that isn't what qualifies it as a scam.

This is - even without getting into this nano coated coil business, the Keshe Foundation had a website selling plasma batteries for many hundreds of dollars that were supposed to be able to help get a house off the grid. People have spent good money on those. It was brought to my attention several months ago.

My question is - show me one person that has ever received one of these plasma batteries for hundreds of dollars, actually hundreds of Euros, let alone whether they work or not.

Now, Magravs Power system is being sold for $500.

Again, where is one single person on the entire planet that has received one of the Keshe Power Cells (plasma battery) that can be verified? I don't know how much money was raked in over that one single product - none of us will ever know - but one thing seems certain, nobody ever received one - what does that tell everyone?

That is a totally separate issue of whether or not the technical claims are true or false - can the supporters of Keshe explain this one please?

I'm going to post a blog on home - A & P Electronic Media by Aaron Murakami & Peter Lindemann about Keshe and will make it very brief and simple and to be fair to the supporters, I'll also send some traffic to this thread: http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...blueprint.html

I can't outright denounce the entire Keshe ordeal, but there is too much that doesn't make sense, convenience of timing of when he has something that works and when something is unavailable to view, etc... that is a long list and there is more going against Keshe than going for him as far as verifying anything.

[Ernst]

Aaron,
are you referring to the 5 KW and 10 KW plasma-generators that Keshe was selling around 2012? I remember that he mentioned a couple of times (starting in 2011) that the first shipments would start within months.
I also remember these were a few thousand EUR, not a few hundred.
It has been more than 3 years now and I see no trace of them....
Nor can they be ordered anymore....


Ernst.

[BroMikey]

Nano coatings are used in super capacitors to store more
energy due to increased surface area.

We just don't know much about these nano coatings yet found in nature.

He started his test setup on 11-11-2015 so we will see if these coatings
were done properly. As I watch the coating video's I am reminded of the
crystal battery chemistry we all enjoyed watching John Bedini engage in.

Some of you have no clue what I am talking about, but you are
sure this is an elaborate hoax. Never mind the sociological Comedy
that Keshe uses with his silly grin. Or your prejudice.

The Green copper goo does produce small amounts of power. MiliVolts and milliamps

JUST LIKE the crystal battery material. But this is AC current.

People won't follow directions either and this is a relatively new idea

for most to apply.

The only ones who can't see this have their eyes closed.

It is a different kind of chemical electrical process we are unaccustomed
to I'll give you that.

It sounds like to me the coating is only the beginning that when
electricity is added only then really are we getting NANO sized
material that will grow JUST LIKE the crystal battery material.

De-fibrillating HEY? You'll see.

And don't talk price to me because these big business guys charge

good, just a tiny 3 X5" circuit to dump caps cost $600 so I guess

that is a normal price, anything under a thousand. That ain't no money.

In a previous video a man shows AC and DC voltages coming off of
coils treated thus. So it seems to me if a nano coating produced X
amount of power then a layer of nano copper first then a nano coating
on top of that and repeat the process til a stack battery it reached.

JUST LIKE the crystal battery tutorials. It really is like trying
to wake the dead talking about the obvious. Can't anyone with the
power to reason give me an affirmative? My My. Some of you haven't
had time to review the material, so I am not talking about you.

It's just another principle sitting right under your noses.

The man in the video has said it is now running and he will take readings
every 24hrs. Only time will tell if he ends up really saving 10-20-30 percent.

[VIDEO]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G_SRNg9sRxQ[/VIDEO]

[Aaron]

Keshe products never delivered?

Aaron,
are you referring to the 5 KW and 10 KW plasma-generators that Keshe was selling around 2012? I remember that he mentioned a couple of times (starting in 2011) that the first shipments would start within months.
I also remember these were a few thousand EUR, not a few hundred.
It has been more than 3 years now and I see no trace of them....
Nor can they be ordered anymore....


Ernst.

I don't recall the watt rating, but this was around the end of July this year. A couple weeks after the conference in early July, someone came back to town and I connected her with some of the presenters because she was interested in possibly getting funding for some project. I knew about Keshe but she said she was following it for a while and was interested in trying out the little plasma batteries with Sodium Hydroxide I believe and whatever else.

Since she was that interested in it, I started to look into it for the first time and saw what she wanted to build. She pointed out a page on Keshe's site that was selling some scaled up battery based on that principle and it was maybe 800 Euros or so. She was going to ask her "mentor" to give her the money to buy one to test it out. We warned her to wait on that until she sees if anyone that already ordered them ever got them. One of her last messages to me by Skype was that Keshe was a scam.

Anyway, I have yet to see anyone come forward with something that they purchased from Keshe.

I looked around and found this so it looks like it is the "Magrav" but it was being sold as a Plasma Battery I believe - this is an image with the 800 price so I believe that is it. Anyway, nobody has ever received one that we know of.

[Ernst]

That is not the one from 2012.
The 5KW generator had a football-size (soccer ) "reactor-core" and some stuff built around that.
Haven't seen/read anything about that anymore for quite a while.
The 10KW generator was never shown as far as I know.

I'm afraid I have deleted my Keshe research a long time ago, but I will try to find something about those first generators.


Ernst.

[RAMSET]

How can you claim That ?

Aaron
How can you Make the statement "nobody has ever received one"
on these devices being offered By Keshe ?

It would be nice to know the address of his factory in the Philippines ,we have a fellow who can stop by and put all of this to rest one way or the other.

respectfully
Chet

[Aaron]

products undelievered

Aaron
How can you Make the statement "nobody has ever received one"
on these devices being offered By Keshe ?

It would be nice to know the address of his factory in the Philippines ,we have a fellow who can stop by and put all of this to rest one way or the other.

respectfully
Chet

I edited to say "...that we know of."

Go ahead and buy one and let us all know when you get it and how great it works.

[RAMSET]

how about two

I'll buy one for you too ?

any body else want one ?
find me the factory ??

respectfully
Chet

[BroMikey]

I'll buy one for you too ?

any body else want one ?
find me the factory ??

respectfully
Chet

yeah I would try one and do some video.

[Ernst]

Yes, I did delete all my Keshe investigations...

But there is still info available on the web.
I found some here and here.

Now before rushing into new scams, why not first have a look at what happened to these 10,000 units (!) that were for sale/sold (?) back in 2012.
5 KW for only 5,000 EUR, and 10 KW for as little as 20,000 EUR.


Ernst.

[Ernst]

By The Way....

Keshe may think of himself as invulnerable because of his divine nature, but he is being put where he is today by an extremely wealth family. Probably because they want this illusion to live on.
Now I see clouds packing over his head.... suppose he would be dethroned... that would simply end his story. The hard core believers will still linger on a while but eventually die out.
If this filthy rich family wants this illusion to live on, then the most effective thing would be to "remove" Keshe... make him disappear without a trace. That would really add fuel to the already insane rage that is going on.

So... I do not think the future looks very bright for Mr. Keshe... and following that, neither for scientific alternative energy research.


Ernst.

[BroMikey]

Opposing coil sets. It doesn't matter which way as long as they are opposing.


[VIDEO]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=38dnaIzpYl8[/VIDEO]

Published on Nov 12, 2015

In this video I clarify what we have learned up to date (12-Nov-2015)

Mr Keshe in the beginning of the Blueprint week. Here he clearly showed the winding in the way that I have made my first coils and my entire first MaGrav unit.

Later in the week, the free downloadable blueprint came available and in the KF Philippines PDF document on coil making, the coils were wound in the opposite direction.

This is where the confusion started and after a long weekend, in the morning session of November 4th, Mr Keshe explained the opposite of what he had demonstrated the week before.

He now told us that to turn coils properly, the drill had to be set on reverse.

In the morning session of November 12th he continued to explain that we should not be so concerned about a the direction, but he still insisted that the coils should be turned with your drill in reverse.

I have started a set (with drill in reverse) and my first set was with my drill in the forward direction.

Do as you wish and experiment with it yourself........

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