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  • #31
    Better Than A Bedini SG wheel

    Originally posted by mbrownn View Post
    Making this a pulse motor reduces torque significantly as the coils tend not to get saturated. That makes it physically large for its power.

    This method of winding makes it relatively simple to collect inductive kickback, and with correct brush timing and the right width field magnets or coils, you will add to the torque a little too, recovering a little of what was lost in converting it to a pulse motor.

    As I said, I haven't yet been able to reduce the BEMF in the armature itself. If we add a field coil in place of one of the magnets, we will get generated current which some argue is BEMF.

    A mod that I will give you later, reduced the overall BEMF significantly enabling the motor to run on reduced voltage when compared to what it will run on without the mod. If you have not made it a pulse motor you will really have to drop the voltage to maybe 2 or 3 volts.

    I suggest making it a pulse motor first because you can always add the extra windings later to make it more conventional. Even with all the coils fitted it does pulse but the pulses overlap causing a ripple effect and this is quite powerful as shown in the video.

    A good motor to modify is a four pole motor, ie four field poles, this makes the modifications simpler. Its even easier if it has field coils instead of magnets.

    With 10 slots on the armature you can get one coil (two pulses per rev) and could use a 10 segment armature, with 12 slots you can get two coils (four pulses per rev) but you would need a commutator with 24 segments. Its not ideal as you have six segments for each pulse but close enough. The more pulses per rev you have the more smooth and powerful the motor.

    At the end of the first three parts you will have a motor with a built in generator that has an energy recovery circuit. If you go on to do the mods I am hinting about it will work in a completely different way and make you think about motors differently.

    Re-inventing and open source Motor Generator.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JKue91H0L0c

    Keep fishin Brown there are many open source projects that are far superior.

    Mike
    Last edited by BroMikey; 08-14-2014, 07:50 PM.

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    • #32
      Originally posted by BroMikey View Post
      Re-inventing and open source Motor Generator.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JKue91H0L0c

      Keep fishin Brown there are many open source projects that are far superior.

      Mike

      Mike
      Yes there are, but I have been working on this for years, and I believe it has merit.

      The technology could be applied to much bigger devices with relative ease. and even if it is not used in its entirety, the methods would be useful in other applications. Here I am starting with the basics, and one of the basics is this type of armature.

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      • #33
        6 of 1 or half-A-Dozen of the Other

        Originally posted by mbrownn View Post
        Yes there are, but I have been working on this for years, and I believe it has merit.

        The technology could be applied to much bigger devices with relative ease. and even if it is not used in its entirety, the methods would be useful in other applications. Here I am starting with the basics, and one of the basics is this type of armature.
        Hey Brown

        I am sure it will work, all of these pulsed winding do, you know. Bedini sure got the experimental groups into high gear leading the way with his research. Now everybody and his brother has a new twist to show extra.

        You will get what you search for and you won't need any thing special, just follow the music. Well this is what I call following the experimental results.

        I saw the video and his windings and as we have ALL heard the answer sometimes is in the switching. As we heard from Beardon years ago and also the new SERPS switches at 5ns.

        It is good to see someone enjoying the work of re-invention.

        We are all like Parrots humbly perched out on our individual limb sharing the message of free energy, this is the right way. Just keep following your dream.

        The motor idea is bigger and once some combinations are found to pulse windings I can bust out my two 100hp units for overhaul.

        Then we can power a house. LED lighting is to small.

        I also have two 20hp three phase motors that might work but when it all comes down you get the idea, I want a motor that is big and heavy so I can light more than a few strings of light bulbs.

        Cores are an issue so maybe my motors can't be used.

        Fast switching and the right core materials are the right direction. I will pop in on you from time to time to see if I can use your stuff.

        So far all I see is the video, are you able to show a picture of you lay out?

        Enjoy

        Mike

        Mike

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        • #34
          Here's an applied concept:
          If we look at the basic Bedini-type motors, all the poles on the rotor are facing the same way. Why not apply that principle inversely to the DC motor as well? You'd need 2 motors, and then just swap out one of the mags to give yourself two north, for example, stators. The trick to keep the motor in repulsion mode against the armature might have to do with the direction of windings on alternate poles.
          I can say more, but perhaps this is enough for now.
          Bob

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          • #35
            What I propose is different, we run the motor in attraction, this is to keep the flux within the iron of the motor. In this case the reason is to maximise the coupling of the coils in the motor.

            In a Bedini, your coils are bifilar wound so there is excellent coupling for the switching circuit. In this motor the switching is mechanical, so we don’t need the bifilar winding, however each coil will interact with the armature.

            In some motors this is undesirable, but in others it is a requirement. An induction motor requires strong coupling between the field coils and the armature, so that a transformer action can power the squirrel cage. In inductive compensation, used on some universal type motors, again strong coupling is required. Even in resistive compensation used on universal type motors there is coupling and transformer interactions.

            Basically the rule is, If you have two coils in the same magnetic circuit, they will interact (providing that the field is changing). Sometimes this is positive in so much that an induced current flows in the second winding like in the induction motor. Sometimes it is negative in so much as the induction produces a voltage which opposes the flow placed in the second winding such as in resistive compensation.

            In what I am proposing, I have taken into account these interactions and where possible made them produce a current flow. To do this efficiently we need good coupling, and that is provided by having the armature in attraction with the field coils/magnets.

            Much more on this when we get into the mods later on.

            The Bedini has an open magnetic circuit and the torque is provided by repelling or cancelling attraction at the right moment. This method produced a strong voltage spike. The method I am proposing with a closed magnetic circuit produces strong torque and because the electrical circuit is low resistance good current flow with reduced voltage.

            PS The torque is not just produced by attraction alone, the flux is bent through an acute angle in the armature and as it tries to straighten an additional torque is applied by this action. More on this later.

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            • #36
              I was thinking about motor windings and pulsed dc and was wondering if anyone has tried using diodes on the motor windings.
              Half of the Answer is knowing the right Question

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              • #37
                yes, on this thread here, http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...lindemann.html

                Its not exactly as you have shown it, but you could benefit from their work.

                I haven’t tried it myself because I see some limitations, but as with all devices there are benefits and detrimental effects. You have to decide if the benefits outweigh the limitations.

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