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  • " The nearer the Sun gets to the Pole star, the earlier it rises, the higher it reaches at noon, and the later it sets. This apparenl independent motion of the Sun, therefore, seems to account for longer and shorter days, and the whole phenomena of the seasons, but why the Sun lags as described, or why it moves northerly and southerly at alternate periods, there ii no apparent evidence. On the supposition that the world is a globe rotating against the Sun, and revolving round that luminary, it is impossible to account for what Mr. Russell calls the lagging movement of the Sun. But, on a flat surface, like the world is known to be, there is no assumption needed to account for it. As I have shown the Earth is a stretched-out structure, which diverges from the Central north in all directions toward the south. The Equator, being mid-way between the north centre and the southern circumference, divides the course of the Sun into north and south declinations. The longest circle round the world which the Sun makes, is when it has reached its greatest southern declination. Gradually going northward the circle is contracted. In about three months after the southern extremity of its path has been reached, the Sun makes a circle round the Equator. Still pursuing a northerly course as it goes round and above the world, in another three months the greatest northern declination is reached, when the Sun again begins to go towards the south. In northern latitudes when the Sun is going north, it rises earlier each day, is higher at noon, and sets later; while in southern latitudes, at the same time, the Sun, as a matter of course, rises later; reaches a lesser altitude at noon and sets earlier. In northern latitudes during the southern summer, say from September to December, the Sun rises later each day, is lower at noon, and sets earlier; while in the south he rises earlier, reaches a higher altitude at noon, and sets later each day. This movement round the Earth daily is the cause of the alternation of day and night; while his northern and southern courses produce the Seasons. When the Sun is south of the Equator it is summer in the south and winter in the north, and vice-versa. The fact of the alternation of the Seasons flatly contradicts the Newtonian delusion that the Earth revolves in an orbit round the Sun. It 'is said that summer is caused by the Earth being nearer the Sun, and winter by its being farthest from the Sun. But, if the reader will follow the argument in any text-book, he will see that according to the theory, when the Earth is nearest the Sun there must be summer in both northern and southern latitudes; and in like manner when it is farthest from the Sun it must be winter all over the Earth at the same time, because the whole of the globe-earth would be farthest from the Sun ! ! ! In short it is impossible to account for the recurrence of the Seasons on the assumption that the Earth is globular, and that it revolves in an orbit round the Sun."

    In Winter the Northern Centre is darkened, and continues so for some months till the Sun returns again in Summer, and illumines it with its brightness. We have then the phenomenon of " The Midnight Sun," the following vivid account of which appeared in " The Brighton Examiner" of July, 1870. The party referred to consisted of Mr. Campbell, the United States' Minister for Norway, and some other gentlemen who ascended a cliff 1,000 feet high, overlooking the Arctic Ocean -



    What a splendid visible proof is the above description of the Sun revolving round a stationary Earth! There, in that high Norwegian latitude, these travellers saw from a lofty cliff, the Sun at Midnight passing in his journey, without having set at all, from one day into another, and proclaiming with effulgent brightness the grand beneficence of God. Thus, as the Poet sings

    " Th' unwearied Sun from day to day,
    Doth its Creator's power display.
    And publishes in every land
    The work of His Almighty hand."

    Had poor Proctor been there I think he would never have written his " Pretty proof of the Earth's rotundity." Facts, such as those above narrated, are too strong to be resisted even by scientific prejudice. It would doubtless teach a useful lesson, as also afford a pleasant holiday, to some of our Astronomic friends, were they to take a trip to " The Land of the Midnight Sun " in one of the steamers advertized for that voyage in the newspapers. I think that they would return wiser than before they went, with less admiration for the hypothesis of Copernicus, with more reverence for the Word of God, and with more respect for common sense.
    "There is no love without prayer - there is no prayer without forgiveness because love is prayer - forgiveness is love." Virgin Marry - Immaculate Conception ...The geologists say it's not in the ground, the airforce says it's not in the air, the astronomers say it's not from space, so we are running out of options...

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    • your endless posts are a desperate attempt to CONVINCE YOURSELF



      NOBODY is buying the flat earth stuff.



      Most would sooner believe that a blue skinned alien was living in their backyards than this flat earth nonsense.

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      • διαίρει καὶ βασίλευε

        Originally posted by TheoriaApophasis View Post
        NOBODY is buying the flat earth stuff.
        Then, what is the following "flat earth" doing?







        Conclusion[edit]

        Shaykh Abdul-Aziz Ibn Baaz, the former supreme religious authority of Saudi Arabia, believed the earth is flat,[10][11] and
        so does Muslim Researcher on Astronomy Fadhel Al-Sa'd, who declared in a televised debate aired on Iraqi Al-Fayhaa TV (October 31, 2007)
        that the Earth is flat as evidenced by Qur'anic verses and that the sun is much smaller than the Earth and revolves around it.[12]

        As devout Muslims, they have good reason to conclude the Earth is flat; the Qur'anic verses 15:19, 20:53, 43:10, 50:7, 51:48, 71:19, 78:6,
        79:30, 88:20 and 91:6 all clearly state this and not a single verse in the Qur'an hint to a spherical earth.

        Flat Earth and the Qur'an - WikiIslam

        Al

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        • Al, what kind of animal is this?

          "Astronomers, and scientific men generally, strenuously oppose any comparison between their theories and the Bible, knowing that they cannot be reconciled. Of what use is it for them to say that their magnificent ideas of innumerable suns and worlds show forth the glory of God, if they cause men to have less respect for the Bible? Revelation and nature cannot disagree : if they seem to do so, man is to blame for it. Sir Horace Walpole became an infidel, because he could not reconcile Christianity with the plurality of worlds, and Modern discoveries in Astronomy and Geology with a divine revelation and the infidel Thomas Paine, and a host of other persons have based their strongest arguments upon the assumption that the Copernicau theory is true, which system has been a strong fort with the infidels for many generations. Do the heavens set forth the glory of Newton, or do they declare the glory of God? In the Bible we are led to believe that the sun, moon, and stars are subservient to the earth ; that in consequence of events having taken place on the earth, these heavenly bodies were darkened; that God took five times as long to make the earth as He did the heavenly bodies. Who has a right to say that God, in giving to man an account of His creation, as contained in the First Chapter of Genesis, misrepresented the order and nature of the facts to suit man's capacity? As if man could not have understood them as easily from the Word of God as he does from the mouths of the Astronomers ?"

          Who ever heard of a person, after constructing some intricate piece of workmanship, explaining the order and nature of its mechanism entirely difierent from the truth to suit the capacity of his hearers? "What had the earth to revolve round before the sun was made, if we are to believe the Newtonian theory? The Bishop of Peterborough says

          "I have no fear whatever that the Bible will be found in the long run to contain more science than all the theories of philosophers put together and there is no doubt that when the earth is generally believed to be a plane, the Bible will be respected more than ever, since it will be found to be literally true when speaking of the Creation, and infidelity will lose its strongest hold against Christianity."

          Al, let me tell you one joke

          Al, this is gay parade in Belgrade, filmed today afternoon, strange gay's uniforms, don't you think so?
          "There is no love without prayer - there is no prayer without forgiveness because love is prayer - forgiveness is love." Virgin Marry - Immaculate Conception ...The geologists say it's not in the ground, the airforce says it's not in the air, the astronomers say it's not from space, so we are running out of options...

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          • Maybe just maybe

            I don't believe an old book, written for sheep herders I can't cross examine the authors. It's written to "enlighten" illiterate tribes men. If there was anything to find based on math or repeatable experimental data and not on just "god says so" Then you would have something to talk about.
            Last edited by Hrothgar; 09-28-2014, 10:55 PM.

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            • Hrothgar, are all your brain cells in your stomach? You should watch this video every day at least once, but even after first watching of this video if you don't get the point then i wouldn't bet you have one brain cell, not even in your stomach...(just try to imagine Earth's triple motion (and just at what speeds, may oh may..) while you watch it)...

              This monumental thread is full of evidences, this thread is not just monument of truth, this thread is monument of (lack) of human dignity, if you don't have scintilla of human dignity and honesty, then you don't have to kill yourself at all, you are already a dead man.

              There are some more proofs for both: for honest men and for liars ("caricatures of a man" - that's croatian phrase for naming people without a bit of honesty):

              " If the navigator neglects to apply the Sun's semi-diameter to his observation at sea, he is 16 nautical miles (nearly) out in calculating the position his ship is in. A minute of arc on the sextant represents a nautical mile, and, if the semi-diameter be 16 miles, the diameter is, of course, 32 miles. And, as measured by the sextant, the Sun's diameter is 32 minutes of arc, that is 32 nautical miles in diameter. Let him disprove this who can. If ever disproof is attempted, it will be a literary curiosity, well worth framing."
              "There is no love without prayer - there is no prayer without forgiveness because love is prayer - forgiveness is love." Virgin Marry - Immaculate Conception ...The geologists say it's not in the ground, the airforce says it's not in the air, the astronomers say it's not from space, so we are running out of options...

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              • Originally posted by cikljamas View Post
                " If the navigator neglects to apply the Sun's semi-diameter to his observation at sea, he is 16 nautical miles (nearly) out in calculating the position his ship is in. A minute of arc on the sextant represents a nautical mile, and, if the semi-diameter be 16 miles, the diameter is, of course, 32 miles. And, as measured by the sextant, the Sun's diameter is 32 minutes of arc, that is 32 nautical miles in diameter. Let him disprove this who can. If ever disproof is attempted, it will be a literary curiosity, well worth framing."[/I]

                FRAME IT AND WATCH IT AT LEAST ONCE EVERY DAY!

                Ernst.

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                • Originally posted by cikljamas
                  ...bla, bla, bla...
                  Let S E O be a right-angled triangle

                  cikljamas - deranged moron chicken whisperer
                  E - O is curved.
                  You want to try non-Euclidian math?
                  Try some simple goniometry first.
                  You need to be able to walk before you can run, you haven't even discovered your legs yet.

                  Ernst - tired....

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                  • Originally posted by Ernst View Post
                    E - O is curved.
                    Who told you that? Mom or dad?

                    You don't even know what legs are since you are a lying-crawling-envious serpent...

                    "But take the time of the vernal and autumnal equinox, when the Sun is directly over the Equator. We will also take the Astronomer's assumption that the light of the Sun travels in straight lines, except just near the surface of the Earth, when they sometimes allow for what is termed refraction. But as they have no agreed and definite standard of refraction, and what they do sometimes allow is only a small figure, we may at present ignore this for the purpose of simplifying the problem before us. They cannot reasonably object to our following their lead here. "Now it is a well-known property that all the angles of any triangle are together equal to two right angles, or 180 degrees. If, then, we take any right-angled triangle as A, B, C having one angle at the base B a right angle, and the other angle at the base C 45 degrees we know that the angle at the apex A must also be 45 degrees, and the perpendicular B, A, equal to the base line, B, C. " Now let A represent the Sun's position over the Equator on the 21st of March, and B the place of some spectator on the Equator directly beneath the Sun when on the meridian say of Bordeaux, which is almost that of Greenwich, and lef C represent the town of Bordeaux in France at about 45 degrees N. Lat. Here, then, we have some general data for determining the Sun's distance from the Earth that is, the line A, B, or the perpendicular height of the Sun above the Equator at B, is equal to the line C, B, or the base line, or distance between Bordeaux and the point B on the Equator. " Now the Geographers affirm that 1 degree equals 60 geographical or 69 and a half statute miles. Then- multiply 45 degrees by these figures, and we get the distance, according to the Astronomers, that Bordeaux is from the nearest point of the Equator on the same meridian, namely 2,700 geographical miles, or about 3,107 English or statute miles. In round numbers, then, 3,000 miles proximately is the distance of the Sun from the Equator, shown according to the terms of the Astronomers themselves."


                    "There is no love without prayer - there is no prayer without forgiveness because love is prayer - forgiveness is love." Virgin Marry - Immaculate Conception ...The geologists say it's not in the ground, the airforce says it's not in the air, the astronomers say it's not from space, so we are running out of options...

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                    • About that video

                      Originally posted by cikljamas View Post
                      Hrothgar, are all your brain cells in your stomach? You should watch this video every day at least once, but even after first watching of this video if you don't get the point then i wouldn't bet you have one brain cell, not even in your stomach...(just try to imagine Earth's triple motion (and just at what speeds, may oh may..) while you watch it)...

                      This monumental thread is full of evidences, this thread is not just monument of truth, this thread is monument of (lack) of human dignity, if you don't have scintilla of human dignity and honesty, then you don't have to kill yourself at all, you are already a dead man.

                      There are some more proofs for both: for honest men and for liars ("caricatures of a man" - that's croatian phrase for naming people without a bit of honesty):

                      " If the navigator neglects to apply the Sun's semi-diameter to his observation at sea, he is 16 nautical miles (nearly) out in calculating the position his ship is in. A minute of arc on the sextant represents a nautical mile, and, if the semi-diameter be 16 miles, the diameter is, of course, 32 miles. And, as measured by the sextant, the Sun's diameter is 32 minutes of arc, that is 32 nautical miles in diameter. Let him disprove this who can. If ever disproof is attempted, it will be a literary curiosity, well worth framing."
                      In the video that sun is pretty oddly shaped for according to you the farthest point of it would fade from view first yet the bottom as you would put it "faded" from view first the at the end the top finally faded away. Can you explain? Is the sun a disk as well and the side is tilted? and if so why don't we see the bottom appear first at sun rise? I really think you don't know what irrefutable is?
                      Last edited by Hrothgar; 09-29-2014, 01:29 PM.

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                      • Originally posted by cikljamas
                        Who told you that? Mom or dad?
                        You don't even know what legs are since you are a lying-crawling-envious serpent...
                        I know, you are blindly parroting what others have told you. Don't worry about it!

                        Originally posted by cikljamas
                        Now it is a well-known property that all the angles of any triangle are together equal to two right angles, or 180 degrees.
                        I also know that this is way beyond you and your chickens, but on a spherical surface you can draw a triangle with 3 angles of 90 degrees, making the total 270 degrees.

                        Don't worry; blesseth are those with no cerebral activity.

                        FRAME AND WATCH ATTACHMENT AT LEAST ONCE A DAY!


                        Ernst
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                        • Ernst

                          I think we may have to keep things to the level of how you would teach a small child to get through to this guy. It may take a long time, even years. But we may luck out and he could discover girls or guys or farm animals or whatever they do in Croatia, thus loosing interest in cults of flat earth.
                          Last edited by Hrothgar; 09-29-2014, 01:43 PM.

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                          • Originally posted by Hrothgar View Post
                            I think we may have to keep things to the level of how you would teach a small child to get through to this guy. It may take a long time, even years. But we may luck out and he could discover girls or guys or farm animals or whatever they do in Croatia, thus loosing interest in cults of flat earth.


                            2. Fanatics and Cannot Change Their Minds. Line up all of your arguments. Carefully put together your presentation. Make sure your logic is flawless. No matter! If you are dealing with a fanatic, he still will not change his mind. Remember, a fanatic can never be critical of the object of his devotion.
                            Fanatics


                            Al

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                            • A fanatic

                              Originally posted by aljhoa View Post
                              2. Fanatics and Cannot Change Their Minds. Line up all of your arguments. Carefully put together your presentation. Make sure your logic is flawless. No matter! If you are dealing with a fanatic, he still will not change his mind. Remember, a fanatic can never be critical of the object of his devotion.
                              Fanatics


                              Al
                              A fanatic will redouble his efforts while loosing sight of his goals! Then maybe he will get so worked up and frothing at the mouth some one in Croatia will have him committed to an asylum?
                              Last edited by Hrothgar; 09-29-2014, 06:28 PM.

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