Running gasoline vehicles off water

[inventionmaster]

Later years we tried injecting water vapor (steam) directly into the intake, after being heated in the exhaust. It improved mileage but the engine ran rough. Later tried vaporizing the gasoline by heating it with radiator water temperatures. Presently, this is the method I am using. My fuel rail has a copper line running around it with water from the radiator. It gets too hot to touch and partially vaporizes the gasoline before it enters the injectors. It has improved fuel mileage and power. It takes over 700*F to completely vaporize todays ethanol fuels, so it needs to be heated in the exhaust to completely vaporized to the point Pogue did it. Water vapor also has great possibilities when it comes to fuel economy, especially using Aarons water ignition system. Sorry I got off topic, Stealth

Water Vapers
Thinking about how something like this works is intriguing. I probably would have never even thought of using water vapors ever. Nice

[Allcanadian]

My first experiment about 30 years ago was adding water injection to a VW engine in a sand rail and it definitely helps in many ways. While HHO produces a hotter/faster burn to increase efficiency water vapor does the opposite. I found I could advanced the timing into no-mans land with a super lean mixture and moderate pre-detonation by adding water vapor.

This does a few things simultaneously, first it cools the intake air then reduces carbon buildup which can cause pre-detonation in itself. It also flashes to steam to moderate the cylinder temp/combustion temp. I used a second linkage off the carb butterfly valve to move a needle valve to regulate the water feed and a solenoid to stop the water flow when the engine was not running.

The interesting part was that it is almost impossible to overheat the engine under any operating conditions and I was burning over 80% methanol plus two lites of octane booster at one point with no issues. Have you ever heard a 1600cc dual port head VW engine with 8" exhaust pipes pulling 6000 RPM off the line?, lol, sounds like a drag racing engine. It had so much power I was shearing the pins between the crankshaft and the flywheel on a regular basis. I ran this setup for about two years and had no problems with the engine at all with the exception of the crank/flywheel pins shearing.

AC

[Duncan]

fracture...

There are quite a few guys on this forum Inventionmaster that knew Mayer, ..Mayer was like me and Indeed MJN a Radio Ham … At one time whilst he was promoting his invention he did several lecture tours .. both here in the UK and around the USA … To some who attended those tour's the reason for the extreme efficiency of his water fracture became obvious … because of course they understood the language ….. some went on to develop their own systems and were in turn suppressed .. threatened and shut down ….. MJN was one such.... So was I … later
Keely, Walter Russell Rife and Leedskalnin are just four of the many who realised the effect of sympathetic frequencies … quite apart from Puharich Mayer and Mike of course … despite a slightly different approach in each case … “the song remains the same” were you to twang an instrument string it would vibrate at a fundamental frequency say 100Hz .. also all the harmonics 200Hz 400Hz 800 Hz and so on ad infinitum .. naturally as you can see the frequencies rises very quickly … by en large and in nearly every single instance they collide with each other ..quickly expend their energy and are “no more”
The man responsible for most of the Maths regarding “waves” that we are taught at high school is Joseph Fourier ….. He noted and tells us two waves say F1 and F2 interact (Heterodyne) in this fashion F1 and F2 interacting would result in F1-F2 and F1+F2 and F1 and F2 of course the resulting frequencies would interact again ….. quickly interfering and bumping into each other and loosing energy. I point out here that It makes no practical difference if the two waves are generated … from one standing wave and its reflection or independantly.
There is one (and as far as I know only one) combination of frequency separation that allows oscillation of the water molecules each in its own time and space … as it increases through the harmonic progression into infinity whilst expending .. no energy and that is x6 (assuming the sine waves are perfect and likewise the frequency) … This salient fact is noted by MJN here

http://www.energeticforum.com/water-fuel/6431-none-electrolytic-splitting-h2o-4.html#post111774

At the time the significance seems to be lost on most reading the thread. I hope not so here!
The point at which the water molecules effortlessly fracture can be gauged from this chart
Definition of EMF, ELF, VHF, UHF, RF, electromagnetic field, frequency & wavelengths
I would like you to note what occurs at EHF naturally ….. “Molecular rotation, plasma oscillation “ So in short if you can .. get up to that range … staying in the non interference bands .. you will fracture water cleanly with very little expenditure of energy ….. however once you start to fracture the water the medium itself obviously alters ….. If you look at Mayers “dune bug” you will see a complex panel on the front windscreen … to track the resonant point ….. It was of course missing when the bug was returned to “The estate” Puharich is likewise reticent as to how his feed back and tracking of resonance is configured …. It is a very simple and easy solution to what the theory and practice demonstrates happens I would love to see ….. I don’t need proof .. I’ve seen it … just a way at it .. that is so simple Joe soap can do it with ease. Mike did it by locking x6 together into two tuned physical antenna's and so effectively cutting his loses and powering through any miss match … but its tuned UHF work not for Joe soap and his garage .. however I live in the hope that it will be made Uber simple soon!... by luck or engineering
Best wishes Duncan

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[Zardox]

Wow Duncan
Thats more useful information in just a couple of paragraphs than I have ever seen. Of course now I am going to need to spend a lot of time reading the links. Thanks for shareing!

[Michael John Nunnerley]

There are quite a few guys on this forum Inventionmaster that knew Mayer, ..Mayer was like me and Indeed MJN a Radio Ham … At one time whilst he was promoting his invention he did several lecture tours .. both here in the UK and around the USA … To some who attended those tour's the reason for the extreme efficiency of his water fracture became obvious … because of course they understood the language ….. some went on to develop their own systems and were in turn suppressed .. threatened and shut down ….. MJN was one such.... So was I … later
Keely, Walter Russell Rife and Leedskalnin are just four of the many who realised the effect of sympathetic frequencies … quite apart from Puharich Mayer and Mike of course … despite a slightly different approach in each case … “the song remains the same” were you to twang an instrument string it would vibrate at a fundamental frequency say 100Hz .. also all the harmonics 200Hz 400Hz 800 Hz and so on ad infinitum .. naturally as you can see the frequencies rises very quickly … by en large and in nearly every single instance they collide with each other ..quickly expend their energy and are “no more”
The man responsible for most of the Maths regarding “waves” that we are taught at high school is Joseph Fourier ….. He noted and tells us two waves say F1 and F2 interact (Heterodyne) in this fashion F1 and F2 interacting would result in F1-F2 and F1+F2 and F1 and F2 of course the resulting frequencies would interact again ….. quickly interfering and bumping into each other and loosing energy. I point out here that It makes no practical difference if the two waves are generated … from one standing wave and its reflection or independantly.
There is one (and as far as I know only one) combination of frequency separation that allows oscillation of the water molecules each in its own time and space … as it increases through the harmonic progression into infinity whilst expending .. no energy and that is x6 (assuming the sine waves are perfect and likewise the frequency) … This salient fact is noted by MJN here

http://www.energeticforum.com/water-fuel/6431-none-electrolytic-splitting-h2o-4.html#post111774

At the time the significance seems to be lost on most reading the thread. I hope not so here!
The point at which the water molecules effortlessly fracture can be gauged from this chart
Definition of EMF, ELF, VHF, UHF, RF, electromagnetic field, frequency & wavelengths
I would like you to note what occurs at EHF naturally ….. “Molecular rotation, plasma oscillation “ So in short if you can .. get up to that range … staying in the non interference bands .. you will fracture water cleanly with very little expenditure of energy ….. however once you start to fracture the water the medium itself obviously alters ….. If you look at Mayers “dune bug” you will see a complex panel on the front windscreen … to track the resonant point ….. It was of course missing when the bug was returned to “The estate” Puharich is likewise reticent as to how his feed back and tracking of resonance is configured …. It is a very simple and easy solution to what the theory and practice demonstrates happens I would love to see ….. I don’t need proof .. I’ve seen it … just a way at it .. that is so simple Joe soap can do it with ease. Mike did it by locking x6 together into two tuned physical antenna's and so effectively cutting his loses and powering through any miss match … but its tuned UHF work not for Joe soap and his garage .. however I live in the hope that it will be made Uber simple soon!... by luck or engineering
Best wishes Duncan

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Thank you Duncan, at least one person was listening to my talk in the good old USA when we were there, what was it nearly three years ago, doesn't time fly.

When using RF you need to aim for over 300Mhz, I used a mix of around 144 and 864 Mhz to take me to a molecular and electron oscillation in the antennas which included the water vapour as part of the antennas. The resulting frequencies went into the Ghz and naturally had a heating effect, but the important effect is an RF plasma created between the antennas

I have posted about this before and also loop antennas, capacitance comes into play as part of the antenna and that capacitance uses the water vapour as the dielectric and hey presto it breaks down in a big way. This effect can be seen on a ships radar in a fog, and that uses low power but a dopler effect.

I will never build this again, the auto tune and tracking of the antennas is very complicated and I have moved on to other ways, which has led to many of shoots which is going to keep me tied up for the rest of my life I think.

The all important part to breaking a molecule apart is to vibrate the electrons out of orbit, the difference between a cold knife cutting cold butter or a hot one, then stick a piece of bread between the butter so that it does not run together again

Please no one ask me about how to do it, I will not answer, I have got into enough trouble in my life.

Mike

[Duncan]

what comes around .. goes around

for reasons I won't go into I never actually got to listen to your lecture Mike ... which irked somewhat ... I'm afraid I know all about the trouble side of things ... I too dropped off that thread like a stone if you remember .. not without good reason and certainly nothing personal.
however all that aside there are huge ramifications to the sketch you outlined which I have amplified here ..... There is an expansion and It is no exaggeration to say that it explains the operation and function of every free energy machine ever made ... be that mechanical, electrical or its water bound cousin here witnessed.
like Douglas Adams who discovered ... The answer to the universe and everything is 42
My minds eye has opened I can now see the the run of all of these machines from Don Smith's to Besslers wheel … after all Mike the odds of there being one undetected free source of energy were astronomical … but as you know .. it was so .. you were one of the ones who did it ! Running a Ram jet engine with the output. So what are the odd's of there being lots And each inventor discovering a new source? Inconceivable and that is also so
I am aware of the unpleasantness of the horrible bastards who keep us controlled Mike and you more than most are surly aware of the measures they go to to suppress the machines and technology which we develop. After all you have had more than your fair share …
I Intend opening another thread to try and simplify the frequency relationship you outline because most members are not BSc and so although I understood immediately the implication and indeed elegance of the frequency relationship it was lost on the rest of the readers .. with the possible exception of Dr Stiffer who didn’t seem inclined to pursue the lead.
As this is originally your vision Mike you will have considered the implications long and hard ,that being the case you of all people particularly with your RF knowledge will follow the direction and implication of what I post almost as soon as it is on the page … what I propose here is actually so far removed from your initial vision that I could easily claim it as my own work … It is not it is an cumulative addition of many peoples observations and work .. followed by an almost blinding flash.
Because we can speak an elevated language of RF together Mike I could (and probably will) outline the whole concept in half a page … but that really isn’t the point.. However as I pull this fundamental principle inside out and turn it on its head I would really appreciate it if you would keep an eye on the thread. Simplify correct and amplify …. whilst keeping out of the firing line.I understand you have a patent on a very important substance … I'm not really sure of my feelings regarding the morals of patents any more … still I wish you luck with it .. you really deserve a decent roll of the dice. Even so I'm quite sure the twist I have seen in this tale .. will stun even you Mike and you've seen much

[inventionmaster]

I don't suppose if anyone here knows how to safely store compressed hydrogen?

I'm aware that pure H2 does not burn until it mixes with O2 so I'm thinking that maybe compressed H2 may not blow up as long as I keep it separated from the O2 until it reaches the engine cylinders. I am uncertain that one way control valves would be sufficient enough to keep it flowing only in the outward direction.

I would like to have a small tank of compressed H2 and just use the HHO gen to create an endless supply. The only way I would not blow myself up into 1 million peaces is if I manage to do everything safely. One mistake and I'll find myself in a world that does not have to worry about money or free energy

I had one idea to try and store pure H2 in a propane tank but I'm not sure if that would work or not?

[SilverToGold]

Well Inventionmaster, I have no experience with this but I think it's a good idea. Compressed Hydrogen "should" be ok, they compress Hydrogen all the time. As long as there is no Oxygen, it should be safe.

Here is a link to someone considering compressing Hydrogen, you could contact him and see how it went. Seems he was wanted to use a hand pump or a compressor to get the Hydrogen stored into propane tanks.

Electrolysis separation cell for pure Hydrogen production with high pressure

Greetings from my vacation in Northern Scotland - hydrogen pressure storage on demand needed - YouTube

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AikUjB2WXgs

But whatever you do, don't do what these guys are doing, someone got killed doing this same thing.

HHO Machine with a compressor of a freezer - YouTube



Explosion at California water fuel research company kills inventor

Another Big Explosion at Water Fuel Co in LA

Hydrogen is one of the strongest forces in the physical world.

If you do it, please keep us updated, I would be interested in your results.

[inventionmaster]

If you do it, please keep us updated, I would be interested in your results.

I'm absolutely sure there is a safe way to do it (I think). Give me a piece of land at least 2 miles wide and I'll discover what the compression limits of hydrogen is before it goes boom then I will create tanks that will not allow compression beyond those limits.

Until then any compression of hydrogen I do will be very little. As a matter of fact I believe that the use of multiple small light compression bottles will do the trick without a big boom (I think).

Guess I'll try to build out a small compression tank the size of a tiny shampoo bottle and go from there. One small step at a time for something like this.

[inventionmaster]

Actually I'll stick with the safest way. Build as much h2 as possible while using as little energy as possible then burn it right after its created and never give it a chance to compress

[ewizard]

Actually I'll stick with the safest way. Build as much h2 as possible while using as little energy as possible then burn it right after its created and never give it a chance to compress

That is your best choice for sure. Note MJN's 144Mhz and 864Mhz. There is the magic ratio as Duncan pointed out in his Euclid (Bogart) thread. 144 x 6 = 864. Two frequencies put together when one is six times the other frequency = magic

[inventionmaster]

I'll be continuing this project to completion once I finish the other one I'll also share the schematics of the final build of this project once completed (can't see why not since it's such an old project).