Running gasoline vehicles off water

[inventionmaster]

Later years we tried injecting water vapor (steam) directly into the intake, after being heated in the exhaust. It improved mileage but the engine ran rough. Later tried vaporizing the gasoline by heating it with radiator water temperatures. Presently, this is the method I am using. My fuel rail has a copper line running around it with water from the radiator. It gets too hot to touch and partially vaporizes the gasoline before it enters the injectors. It has improved fuel mileage and power. It takes over 700*F to completely vaporize todays ethanol fuels, so it needs to be heated in the exhaust to completely vaporized to the point Pogue did it. Water vapor also has great possibilities when it comes to fuel economy, especially using Aarons water ignition system. Sorry I got off topic, Stealth

Water Vapers
Thinking about how something like this works is intriguing. I probably would have never even thought of using water vapors ever. Nice

[Allcanadian]

My first experiment about 30 years ago was adding water injection to a VW engine in a sand rail and it definitely helps in many ways. While HHO produces a hotter/faster burn to increase efficiency water vapor does the opposite. I found I could advanced the timing into no-mans land with a super lean mixture and moderate pre-detonation by adding water vapor.

This does a few things simultaneously, first it cools the intake air then reduces carbon buildup which can cause pre-detonation in itself. It also flashes to steam to moderate the cylinder temp/combustion temp. I used a second linkage off the carb butterfly valve to move a needle valve to regulate the water feed and a solenoid to stop the water flow when the engine was not running.

The interesting part was that it is almost impossible to overheat the engine under any operating conditions and I was burning over 80% methanol plus two lites of octane booster at one point with no issues. Have you ever heard a 1600cc dual port head VW engine with 8" exhaust pipes pulling 6000 RPM off the line?, lol, sounds like a drag racing engine. It had so much power I was shearing the pins between the crankshaft and the flywheel on a regular basis. I ran this setup for about two years and had no problems with the engine at all with the exception of the crank/flywheel pins shearing.

AC

[Duncan]

http://www.energeticforum.com/water-fuel/6431-none-electrolytic-splitting-h2o-4.html#post111774

At the time the significance seems to be lost on most reading the thread. I hope not so here!
The point at which the water molecules effortlessly fracture can be gauged from this chart
Definition of EMF, ELF, VHF, UHF, RF, electromagnetic field, frequency & wavelengthsMolecular rotation

[Zardox]

Wow Duncan
Thats more useful information in just a couple of paragraphs than I have ever seen. Of course now I am going to need to spend a lot of time reading the links. Thanks for shareing!

[Michael John Nunnerley]

http://www.energeticforum.com/water-fuel/6431-none-electrolytic-splitting-h2o-4.html#post111774

At the time the significance seems to be lost on most reading the thread. I hope not so here!
The point at which the water molecules effortlessly fracture can be gauged from this chart
Definition of EMF, ELF, VHF, UHF, RF, electromagnetic field, frequency & wavelengthsMolecular rotation

Thank you Duncan, at least one person was listening to my talk in the good old USA when we were there, what was it nearly three years ago, doesn't time fly.

When using RF you need to aim for over 300Mhz, I used a mix of around 144 and 864 Mhz to take me to a molecular and electron oscillation in the antennas which included the water vapour as part of the antennas. The resulting frequencies went into the Ghz and naturally had a heating effect, but the important effect is an RF plasma created between the antennas

I have posted about this before and also loop antennas, capacitance comes into play as part of the antenna and that capacitance uses the water vapour as the dielectric and hey presto it breaks down in a big way. This effect can be seen on a ships radar in a fog, and that uses low power but a dopler effect.

I will never build this again, the auto tune and tracking of the antennas is very complicated and I have moved on to other ways, which has led to many of shoots which is going to keep me tied up for the rest of my life I think.

The all important part to breaking a molecule apart is to vibrate the electrons out of orbit, the difference between a cold knife cutting cold butter or a hot one, then stick a piece of bread between the butter so that it does not run together again

Please no one ask me about how to do it, I will not answer, I have got into enough trouble in my life.

Mike

[Duncan]

[inventionmaster]

I don't suppose if anyone here knows how to safely store compressed hydrogen?

I'm aware that pure H2 does not burn until it mixes with O2 so I'm thinking that maybe compressed H2 may not blow up as long as I keep it separated from the O2 until it reaches the engine cylinders. I am uncertain that one way control valves would be sufficient enough to keep it flowing only in the outward direction.

I would like to have a small tank of compressed H2 and just use the HHO gen to create an endless supply. The only way I would not blow myself up into 1 million peaces is if I manage to do everything safely. One mistake and I'll find myself in a world that does not have to worry about money or free energy

I had one idea to try and store pure H2 in a propane tank but I'm not sure if that would work or not?

[SilverToGold]

Well Inventionmaster, I have no experience with this but I think it's a good idea. Compressed Hydrogen "should" be ok, they compress Hydrogen all the time. As long as there is no Oxygen, it should be safe.

Here is a link to someone considering compressing Hydrogen, you could contact him and see how it went. Seems he was wanted to use a hand pump or a compressor to get the Hydrogen stored into propane tanks.

Electrolysis separation cell for pure Hydrogen production with high pressure

Greetings from my vacation in Northern Scotland - hydrogen pressure storage on demand needed - YouTube

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AikUjB2WXgs

But whatever you do, don't do what these guys are doing, someone got killed doing this same thing.

HHO Machine with a compressor of a freezer - YouTube



Explosion at California water fuel research company kills inventor

Another Big Explosion at Water Fuel Co in LA

Hydrogen is one of the strongest forces in the physical world.

If you do it, please keep us updated, I would be interested in your results.

[inventionmaster]

If you do it, please keep us updated, I would be interested in your results.

I'm absolutely sure there is a safe way to do it (I think). Give me a piece of land at least 2 miles wide and I'll discover what the compression limits of hydrogen is before it goes boom then I will create tanks that will not allow compression beyond those limits.

Until then any compression of hydrogen I do will be very little. As a matter of fact I believe that the use of multiple small light compression bottles will do the trick without a big boom (I think).

Guess I'll try to build out a small compression tank the size of a tiny shampoo bottle and go from there. One small step at a time for something like this.

[inventionmaster]

Actually I'll stick with the safest way. Build as much h2 as possible while using as little energy as possible then burn it right after its created and never give it a chance to compress

[ewizard]

Actually I'll stick with the safest way. Build as much h2 as possible while using as little energy as possible then burn it right after its created and never give it a chance to compress

That is your best choice for sure. Note MJN's 144Mhz and 864Mhz. There is the magic ratio as Duncan pointed out in his Euclid (Bogart) thread. 144 x 6 = 864. Two frequencies put together when one is six times the other frequency = magic

[inventionmaster]

I'll be continuing this project to completion once I finish the other one I'll also share the schematics of the final build of this project once completed (can't see why not since it's such an old project).