Open Source Issues?

[RAMSET]

To the Teslatronic supporter "Rfacts"

You are completely avoiding [at all costs it seems} the actual point, and quite obviously you do not engage In open source research with Scientists looking to Assist young energetic minds with understanding Their research in an open source venue.


As this sharing progress's thru the open source research community ,fellows that work along this
intellectual trail ,will often change or modify or play and build and for the sake of "Stamping"
this beautiful little piece of art with their personal contribution [changes and such]
will often put a name of whatever to the effort that they feel they have contributed?


Pal you are so far off course here with your support of Teslatronics .


You are not one of these guys that can work this way [not for money]
nor are you showing any inkling towards this concept.


It is a very pure and tenuous agreement not a contract


which has just been taken out the door ,and you are leading the way,she has never been your way,nor was she meant to.


A most sincere and pure agreement between research scientists and this community.


But thats OK it hardly ever happens around here ,men like you who are completely baffled by the whole concept have been doing tesla tronics work for a long time.


Doing the right thing to you is coming in here and attempting to make this whole thing into
some sort of joke or debate?


I will not debate you on this ,the entire concept is so foreign to your nature you can't even recognize it when its staring you in the face ""Why can'T slayer acknowledge Stiffler's contribution???.

Which is exactly what took place with THEIR respectful email exchange [which you are completely aware of]

And of course when Slayer attempted to inform TeslaTRonics of this heritage { Slayer exciter} and how money can not be attached to this work.
He was Told "FU$$OFF.


You obviously don't work this way,[not an open source researcher]


you are clueless to what keeps this flowing..............


A cheap lawyer whanabee arguing why its OK to Be a Pimp to a very pure and simple concept beyond your grasp.


Its not for sale bud!! its not yours!!, if that's the way you feel,you either help us take care and nourish this concept or move on ....


Its Open source research ,a collaboration and nothing will kill it faster than a greedy man............
or in this case a few "new age" friends of yours
here
TeslaTronix- Tesla Power For The Masses by TeslaTronix — Kickstarter


Thx
Chet

[RAMSET]

A beginning to an ultimate understanding

A post below which describes just how Tenuous this arrangement with scientists
really is and ultimately the standards which need to be maintained if these
contributions would ever have a prayer.....

From here
GBluer(Slayer) Exiter

Quote

Dr.Stiffler

I have little idea why I am making another post here, yet sometimes the pot does indeed boil over.

GBluer 'HAS NOT" Honored the agreement that was understood in the emails of over a year ago. I do recall a YT Video where he stated the design was based on my original work (whatever that means as all is original. I brought the emails to his attention in case he had forgot about the contacts and how upset I was with him for using the term SEC Exciter.

SEC Stands for 'Spatial Energy Coherence' and is not of my invention (the term itself) yet I believe originated from the Optics Field and later was applied to other areas. Looking this up on WiKi might be worth ones time.

My usage of SEC is to coin the relationship of 'Coherence' Point, where energy amplification is apparent.

Now again if this is not clear. I was being nice and giving GBluer an (OUT) if you will. I initiated the the emails to him and we then communicated a basic agreement on what I felt was indeed from me and what was not.

So lets recap, SEC or 'Spatial Energy Coherence' (the term) is not of my creation, nor is the word 'Exciter'. Te circuit and application of a vast number of variations applied to a vast number of applications and being called 'SEC Exciter' is indeed from me.

I left the Forums just for this reason as did I shut down my web site. The Deamons grew to many to be logical to me to continue, period.

I have no idea who this other fellow is, although I did see on YT of his and considered the whole thing a Toy Setup with little practical purpose.

Anyway, NO! it was not a Gentlemans agreement by someone asking permission, I got MAD and after what WAS (I thought) an agreement, the issue should have been settled.

One last thing, Anyone who uses the terms SEC Exciter is in my view claiming Coherence, so you see a tone of people are misusing the term and making believe it is in some way a spin off of my work(S).

[Rich sas]

just want to let everyone know, I am getting the FCC involved in this. you can not market and sell interfering devices to the public. if nothing comes from my complaint, then more of you need to join in and file complaints with the FCC. will let everyone know what I hear back.


Rich

[Nick_Z]

Rich sas:
How would that help us, as the community here, in general?
It seams to me that this discussion should be directly between Dr. Stiffler, Gbluer, and TT, or anyone affected by the marketing of the device. To harsh out their differences, or legal aspects hopefully before any device is put up for sale.
As gbluer may also sell his "Slayer Exciter", and Dr. Stiffler has been selling a 18x SEC EXCITER, at one time, if not still selling it.
All these devices are exciting the surrounding ambient.
So, again, I don't see how FCC interference can help in this case.

If the Slayer Exciter's open ended L3 coil if connected to a bulb, then through it to the positive, or negative of the battery, or the transistor. The bulb(s) will light to a higher brightness, than with using a wireless connection. And it will not be spewing any more RF around it, than a regular standard Cfl bulbs.
Which by the way will light a neon bulb several inches away from it. At least my standard Cfls will.
I find that this can be one solution to avoiding electrical interference, instead of censoring them through the FCC.

[totoalas]

Rich sas:
How would that help us, as the community here, in general?
It seams to me that this discussion should be directly between Dr. Stiffler, Gbluer, and TT, or anyone affected by the marketing of the device. To harsh out their differences, or legal aspects hopefully before any device is put up for sale.
As gbluer may also sell his "Slayer Exciter", and Dr. Stiffler has been selling a 18x SEC EXCITER, at one time, if not still selling it.
All these devices are exciting the surrounding ambient.
So, again, I don't see how FCC interference can help in this case.

If the Slayer Exciter's open ended L3 coil if connected to a bulb, then through it to the positive, or negative of the battery, or the transistor. The bulb(s) will light to a higher brightness, than with using a wireless connection. And it will not be spewing any more RF around it, than a regular standard Cfl bulbs.
Which by the way will light a neon bulb several inches away from it. At least my standard Cfls will.
I find that this can be one solution to avoiding electrical interference, instead of censoring them through the FCC.

CAN WE SAY END OF STORY..... AND MOVE ON
We have at least achieve our awareness on the community
and to Date on the development of Slayer Circuit
As you said totally agree to supress the rf field and just concentrate on the tips to brighten up the lamp output......
totoalas

[RAMSET]

Laws already there

no need for new laws however it does seem the new gent has a valid point
a disclaimer should be a part of the "SALE" .
Its Against the law on planet earth ..
maybe Nanu nanu in the Vids doesn't say that?

Never watched the Vids ?

I know Stiffler's work emits flea farts of power a non issue to local environment .

What you do in your own home for the most part is your affair [so far] as long as it doesn't effect others or cannot be picked up by neighbors,and BTW
if it can be picked up and you know that ??
Very very irresponsible behavior no one knows the effects of high dose rf
for very long periods like this?
Always mysterious claims that seem to vanish regarding power lines and such??



thx
Chet

[jonabel1971]

I think Aaron's view of open-source is the emptiest I have ever heard. Another capitalist who doesn't care if the technology even works. He just wants to sell it.

[PhysicsProf]

just want to let everyone know, I am getting the FCC involved in this. you can not market and sell interfering devices to the public. if nothing comes from my complaint, then more of you need to join in and file complaints with the FCC. will let everyone know what I hear back.


Rich

AN INTERESTING APPROACH. Rich, let us know what the FCC replies.

I wrote to Kickstarter about two weeks ago, expressing concerns about the TT project. For one thing, it is clear from comments that people think this will or may power their homes -- TT does say audaciously: "Tesla power for the masses" and "TT makes wireless electricity simple, easy and cheap for everyone" . Remarkable claims! And the fact that this fellow does not give credit to the real inventors is a concern to me; ethically speaking.

I have not heard back from Kickstarter, not even an acknowledgment of my email.

10 hours to go:

[Nick_Z]

Totoalas and All:
I also agree that this has all gone far enough, most views or opinions have been voiced concerning the Kickstarter, the Slayer Exciter theme, etz...
Nothing has changed... except that there are only a few hours left, and someone is going to make way too much money from all this.
Looks like the more fuel we put into the fire, the more money is made from it all. Ironic, isn't it???

[wayne.ct]

What is your appetite for risk?

It seems to me that different people have different levels of appetite for risk. Perhaps you currently have enough money that you don't care if you give away the product of your time and mental effort after you have created something with unique and valuable properties. Or, on the other hand, perhaps you simply don't care if other people make money off an idea that you had and freely shared. On the other hand, I was issued a US patent on one of my inventions and IF you infringe my patent and IF I have enough time and money to go after you and IF I decide I want to take the time and make the effort to enforce my rights and IF I can find an attorney that can properly represent me, then and ONLY then, I will see you in court.

So, you think I'm greedy? Maybe so. Just don't be cocky and press your luck too far.

[Nick_Z]

We're not dealing with infringements on patent rights, or copy rights, we are talking about what rights, if any, a person has that gives away any information on the internet, then says, you can't use it for a commercial purpose.
Maybe you didn't read Aaron's post concerning what rights will be honored in this forum. I suggest that you do that, as that will most likely be the bottom line here, as well as in other forums. Regardless of our opinions.

[RAMSET]

Rights

Bottom Line
Teslatronics and Kickstarter set a new standard .

Actually they highlights whats wrong with the present standard,and how that
Corporate mentality towards human needs and rights has absolutely nothing to do with doing the "right thing".and everything to do with protecting Business interests.

Teslatronics and Kickstarters actions go a very long way towards smothering the benevolent and charitable contributions of much better Men in these forums.
----------------
Change..

It starts with an opinion and then a decision ,if you decide to follow the corporate lead and suffer the consequences in silence ?

I suppose thats the easy way out.......

Its Not in the best interest of our future here!
Thx
Chet

[jonabel1971]

Hey, go try the circuit I posted. It's free - no strings. I just kinda roll that way.

No shipping and handling even, since you can simply download it. I don't care if you make money off of it. It wasn't my idea to begin with - or yours. But, there's nobody left to sue us - so what hinders the progress?

I didn't start really think about patents until I got to NDSU and started working with these people. I realized that the professors, technicians, and students put alot of faith in the patent system.

However, if you ever find strange or obscure inventions that have been patented, the same group will denounce the patents as false - and think that there was a flaw somewhere in the system. It's hypocritical, so I don't even bother. A patent doesn't appear to give any more credibility than NOT having a patent. It just gives you the right to sue if someone tries to make money from your invention.

We're not dealing with infringements on patent rights, or copy rights, we are talking about what rights, if any, a person has that gives away any information on the internet, then says, you can't use it for a commercial purpose.
Maybe you didn't read Aaron's post concerning what rights will be honored in this forum. I suggest that you do that, as that will most likely be the bottom line here, as well as in other forums. Regardless of our opinions.

[Farmhand]

just want to let everyone know, I am getting the FCC involved in this. you can not market and sell interfering devices to the public. if nothing comes from my complaint, then more of you need to join in and file complaints with the FCC. will let everyone know what I hear back.


Rich

I think as long as it is under 10 Watts of radiated power it's OK as far as
interference goes I think, but I don't know that for sure, maybe someone
familiar with the laws will say.

This is what allows radio controlled equipment to be sold, made and used as
far as I can tell, radio controlled toys, garage doors ect..

I think to comply with FCC rules it should only need be below a certain output
power, not input, radiated output.

EDIT: Logic tells me that would apply to a narrow band emitter, if a device
produced broadband interference it might be a different story, anyone
concerned should look into it.

Cheers

[Nick_Z]

Farmhand and All:
I don't know what the legal limits are, but I think that if you were living in an apartment building, and were using an Exciter circuit that is working on 12v to 24v, and 2 or 3 amps input, that it would effectively cause Tv and radio interference.
My suggestion to avoid this problem is to connect the output of an Exciter L3 coil to a bulb, then back to the battery positive. Thus the interference level would be reduced to much lower levels.
For those that haven't tried it just place a neon Av plug next to a Cfl, and you may see that there is a wireless high voltage signal being spewed several inches away from it, and even further to a lesser extent. All legal...