Joseph Papp, Air Inert Gas Design, by Heinz Klostermann

[pmazz850]

NO high voltage, Plasma discharge or EEC are used inside.

This is electrino reactor working.

Tutanka,
You wrote here:

There are two methods for reach the soft ionization , Meyer have used electromagnetic method (not HV) and photons (for nitrogen ionization), my device use JUST natural and precious components and have an life of 400 years.?In all case EEC (Electron Extraction Circuit) is needed for reach the soft ionization.

So is electron extracrion needed in your reactor? Or were you just talking about Meyers system

[wings]

Inside the video also circuit don't produce just plasma. I see 4 electrical contact inside cylinder. In all case air contain every little amount of water.. for me water is important into the process

this video?
Pulser Plasma Engine Core: Recovering the Papp Engine - YouTube

[Terbo]

this video?
Pulser Plasma Engine Core: Recovering the Papp Engine - YouTube

Yes. That is the video I referenced in my comments about water? in the Klostermann experiment.

[tutanka]

this video?
Pulser Plasma Engine Core: Recovering the Papp Engine - YouTube

Yes .. the circuit present in this video

[Terbo]

Inside the video also circuit don't produce just plasma. I see 4 electrical contact inside cylinder. In all case air contain every little amount of water.. for me water is important into the process

Looking at Klostermann's schematic, the 4 conductors comprise a simple triggered spark gap. The top and bottom electrodes create a high-voltage, low-current spark that ionizes the gas between the left and right electrodes that conduct a high-current pulse from the 500-volt capacitor once the ionization channel is established.

[tutanka]

Looking at Klostermann's schematic, the 4 conductors comprise a simple triggered spark gap. The top and bottom electrodes create a high-voltage, low-current spark that ionizes the gas between the left and right electrodes that conduct a high-current pulse from the 500-volt capacitor once the ionization channel is established.

The main question is why they use dual energy source?

[wings]

The main question is why they use dual energy source?

PEMM Motor Harnesses Anti-matter and Electron-Avalanche

http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/7920-ignition-secrets-aaron-murakami-new-release.html#post140139

http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/3235-gray-tube-replication.html#post35967

http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/3235-gray-tube-replication-91.html#post201249

http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/2242-water-sparkplug.html#post22484

[Berg]

Arc Gun

Plain air: Discharging a cap into ionized air: Why couldn't you use this concept to fashion a gun?

[wings]

Plain air: Discharging a cap into ionized air: Why couldn't you use this concept to fashion a gun?

IMO - Plasma
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plasma_(physics)

.... The presence of a non-negligible number of charge carriers makes the plasma electrically conductive so that it responds strongly to electromagnetic fields.....

http://jlnlabs.online.fr/vsg/protelf_anm.gif

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[tutanka]

Tutanka,
You wrote here:

There are two methods for reach the soft ionization , Meyer have used electromagnetic method (not HV) and photons (for nitrogen ionization), my device use JUST natural and precious components and have an life of 400 years.?In all case EEC (Electron Extraction Circuit) is needed for reach the soft ionization.

So is electron extracrion needed in your reactor? Or were you just talking about Meyers system

Is an completely different system.. nothing to do with the gas processor

[tachyon]

very hard to do proper ionization.. turning air into positive ions isnt the best thing to do ... but works like klostermann showed..

[Stephen Brown]

Post Combustion By-products?

very hard to do proper ionization.. turning air into positive ions isnt the best thing to do ... but works like klostermann showed..

Tutanka and/or Tachyon,
Could you talk about the resulting compounds from this type of ionized combustion.
I read Dr. Baziez paper but the chemistry was a bit over my head.
What would the major by-products / compounds be of ionized burning in this way.
Oxygen, nitrogen and a bit of hho. I'm thinking there is no carbon in this process.
Just thinking about long term, widespread adoption of this process.
Always good to think ahead!
Stephen

[tutanka]

very hard to do proper ionization.. turning air into positive ions isnt the best thing to do ... but works like klostermann showed..

There are some ways for reach the proper ionization not just high voltage

[tachyon]

the hard thing to do is control exactly the ionization state of each element.. 7 billion people on this planet no one has figured this out or am I just plain wrong?

[tutanka]

Tutanka and/or Tachyon,
Could you talk about the resulting compounds from this type of ionized combustion.
I read Dr. Baziez paper but the chemistry was a bit over my head.
What would the major by-products / compounds be of ionized burning in this way.
Oxygen, nitrogen and a bit of hho. I'm thinking there is no carbon in this process.
Just thinking about long term, widespread adoption of this process.
Always good to think ahead!
Stephen

Electrino mechanism is simple.. you need plasma and free electrons!!