Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera

[citfta]

UFO,

In post 1792 of this thread you said once again that I don't believe OU is possible. I have never said that. I have corrected you before for saying that about me. I most certainly believe OU may be possible.

I have seen enough evidence in my working career in electronics to know sometimes things happen that just don't fit all the accepted theories about electricity and or magnetism.

The reason I question a lot of the things I see on this and other forums is to try and understand why someone thinks what they have may be OU or free energy. If they answer with a lot of mumble jumble techno babble then I am pretty sure they either don't have any OU device or they are another scam artist.

As of yet I can't say for certain that I have seen any working OU device. So the hunt goes on.

As far as the Figuera device goes I don't see any reason to believe that MM is correct in his analysis of the part G. However until it is built neither of us will know for sure. I sincerely hope I am wrong and he is right. I would love to see a device that can put out excess power and eliminate the need for oil from the robber barons. See, we can agree on some things.

Respectfully,
Carroll

PS: I have to disagree with you about smelly diesel engines. I love the smell of my big Dodge truck running on home made biodiesel. Smells just like french fries! YUM YUM

[Ufopolitics]

Another Retarded...entering the show...

Give me an electrically operated "black box" using 100W input (DC) and delivering 300W (AC-DC??) from its output.
I can loop that unit and make it self going without any G-part while i'm sleeping!
The hard thing is not feed it with more than 100W so it not explodes. / Arne

The ONLY THING that you are correct on above post...is that you would do all this...while you are sleeping...resuming:

Only in Your Dreams...

Do you really think it is that "easy"??!!

While sleeping you can do it?

Really Ant?

You are also, so full of BS...I see it coming off your ears...

There are something called "Transfer Switching Losses", whenever you attempt to make an OU device self sustained from its own output.

And it relies exactly on the Ratio of Scaled Up Input/Output over Time. And so, just in milliseconds it takes without power input, is enough to decay beyond recuperation to make it to self loop.

And so, unless you have a Built-In within own System, Pre-Stored Energy Component over time, based on whether Magnetic Fields or Capacitance, which sustains even for those milliseconds...it will not work, since resistors "store" all that power into ATMOSPHERIC HEAT ...which is lost in the air, and so can not be recuperated back to be "reused"...unless you could do that...maybe also while you are sleeping...meaning "dreaming"...

Part G Stores that required extra energy within its own Core Magnetic Field, which is "Reusable within own system" making this Transfer Switching possible.

It takes several testing cutting power off then measuring System Decay over Time with many different Second-Secondaries responses options... to achieve the right and robust transfer spot on.

So, not that simple little ANT.


Another burst of Stupidity at max expression...


No intelligent life on this Planet...Beam me Up Scotty...am done here.







Ufopolitics

[Ufopolitics]

UFOP;

leave hanon alone, his video is all he has for research.

you told me at one time to rise above the madness, now i am telling you, rise above this madness. we as the continuum do not no longer ridicule but teach. we the continuum will teach the world to build the Figuera device no matter how far we are put down, shamed or belittled. we will show the world we care.

UFOP, YOU ARE MY FRIEND.

LETS NOT GO THERE.

MM

You are completely right MM...My bad, sometimes I just can not hold my horses...

Let's BUILD AND SHOW!!


Take care friend!


Happy Build!!


Ufopolitics

[seaad]

DID NOT HAVE A PART G CORE and was NOT LOOPED BACK FOR SELF SUSTAINMENT. now do you understand or do i have to draw it out in crayola crayons.
MM

Give me an electrically operated "black box" using 100W input (DC) and delivering 300W (AC-DC??) from its output.
I can loop that unit and make it self going without any G-part while i'm sleeping!
The hard thing is; not feed it with more than 100W so it not explodes. / Arne

[Ufopolitics]

Retarded Hanon.

Ufo,

The difference between you and me is that I base my proposals in Physics foundations

Do You really expect that "Physics Foundations" will explain Figuera??!!

Don't You think if that would be the "case"...Bistander or Citfta could do a MUCH better job than You are so badly "attempting" to?

However, Bistander and Citfta DON'T think it could be possible.

And so, not "Physics Foundation" either.

Otherwise it would have been DONE long ago...we all will have Figuera Generators in every store...

Stupidity at MAX DEVELOPMENT HERE!!!

(not all is bad in Physics), while you do not understand any concept of Physics and prefer to invent your own interpretation and say that all Physics is wrong.

I NEVER wrote anything like that, there are MANY Physic Concepts which are perfect....others are NOT.

Two days ago you were saying that electrical intensity is not a flow, but a kind of "force"...,

Not exactly ..but:

Intensity (A) = Amperage= Density of Currents= Amount of Charges per Volume.

Voltage (V)= Pressure Force= Differential between Two Points= Dictates Flow Direction.

In order to exist A Flow, there MUST BE BOTH PRESENT, V & A.

and two months ago you were saying that current dissipates along a circuit if it crosses a big resistance...

V & A Generates Electric Flow, Voltage is the Pump, which creates the Hi-Lo Points, the Out-In...Current is the AMOUNT, the DENSITY of that FLOW.

If Flow crosses a big Resistance which opposes to that Flow, Resistors becomes HOT...And then we must increase Source Flow until there is an equilibrium on circuit.

What do you think that HEAT is a result from?...Just the traffic of electric flow?...So, according to you, there are NOT taking place any kind of "CONVERSION" from Electrical Flow into Heat there?

Heat is FREE of charge?

Really?...

The REAL difference between You and I....is that your TIME amount of EXPERIMENTAL WORK, resumes to nothing, NADA, Minutes of Crappy Videos, while I have Thousands and Thousands of Experimenting Hours PLUS BUILDING.

AND SURELY I CAN PROVE -THE ABOVE- WITH JUST ALL MY VIDEOS, WHERE YOU HAVE ABSOLUTELY ZERO HOURS, BUT MINUTES SPENT ON JUST TWO LOUSY AND CRAPPY VIDEOS, MOVING PAPERS AND TURNING A -NOT BUILT BY YOU OF COURSE- ROTARY TRANSFORMER, TWO BULBS AND A BATTERY..OMG WHAT A "BIG" JOB!!!.

Get a freaking battery...a Lipo, FULLY CHARGED 12V with 2.0 Amps...connect it to a High Resistor...and watch as it turns red hot, and as time goes by... how Currents and Voltage start "dissipating" exactly into ALL THAT HEAT CREATED...UNTIL BATTERY IS DRY EMPTY

Didn't You just CONVERTED, EXCHANGED, DISSIPATED ALL THOSE PREVIOUS VOLTAGE AND CURRENTS INTO HEAT?

WHERE ARE YOUR CURRENT AND VOLTAGE NOW?

ARE THEY STILL THERE IN THE BATTERY?

THEY ARE GONE INTO HEAT AND DISSIPATED IN ATMOSPHERE...SIMPLE.

What can I say?. Learn Physics. As simple as that.

ALL I CAN SAY IS...DO EXPERIMENTS, BE LESS LAZY, WORK, AND THEN DO MORE WORK,BUILD!! IN ORDER TO COME UP WITH YOUR OWN CONCLUSIONS...NOT ONLY WRITING FORMULAS AND SHOWING CRAPPY VIDEOS IS GOING TO MAKE IT HAPPEN, BUILD THAT FIGUERA EXPERIMENT WITH SIMPLE RESISTORS...IF YOU REALLY WANT TO PROMOTE FIGUERA DO HIM THAT FAVOR...BUILT THE DEVICE AND PROVE CONCEPT IS REAL.

ALL YOU HAVE DONE -SO FAR- IS BLA,BLA,BLA...SMOKE, PURE SMOKE AND NO FIRE...NO PROOF SO FAR...IN HOW MANY YEARS BY NOW??!!

If you do not share my interpretation is fine. I am not here to convince you, nor to teach you (but I tried to teach you physics with some old posts, as Bistander or Cifta also tried), but I am here to promote this device as much as I can among readers. But do not tell that I am wrong just because it is not the way you visualize magnetic fields as bubbles or ellipses or spirals or whatever you like. And if you do not like the image I posted, I do it again because it is a great summary of the movement of the magnetic lines to get flux cutting induction, yes the one existing in ALL generators:



Figuera, apart from engineer, was a Physics Professor. So learn from Figuera's approach

As you said before in your post, I am also sorry to tell it that.

Learn some more ENGLISH, or get a BETTER Translator...Your translations are VERY POOR.

I am also sorry to tell it that.

IS VERY POORLY TRANSLATED...

YOU CAN NEVER, EVER TEACH ME ABSOLUTELY NADA HANON.

I DO CAN TEACH YOU, AT LEAST TO SPEAK, WRITE AND INTERPRET A BETTER AND MORE FLUENT ENGLISH.

You are doing a terrible job "promoting" this device...Your "Marketing" Tactics are bad, really bad.

PS. I opened your video link and just for your info: what you see in a CRT monitor with some magnets are not either the real magnetic field. It is the way that electrical charges (in the cathodic tube) behaves when inserted INTO a magnetic field. Therefore it is just another way to see an effect, not the cause. It a different form to iron fillings or to dune in the desert under the wind action. Effect not causes. Just if you want to consider it. But I not disagree with the video, because, as mine, the aim is to show others two repulsive fields.

REALLY?...SO THAT WAS NOT THE MAGNETIC FIELD ON CRT?...WHAT ABOUT THE SAME EXACT DEAL ON FERROCELL?

just a "coincidence"??!!

CATHODE ELECTRON RAY BEAM DEFLECTS UNDER MAGNETIC FIELDS, AS UNDER ELECTRICAL FIELDS...THIS FACT WAS DISCOVERED BY MAXWELL IN THE LATE 1800'S.

AGAIN, DO YOUR OWN EXPERIMENTS, RESEARCH AND DEVELOPMENTS...CRT AND MAGNET...A MAGNET DOES NOT HAVE BUT A MAGNETIC FIELD...

I am really wasting my time here...which I could invest in doing more experiments, better use of time than speaking to Retarded People like YOU.


I SHOW EXPERIMENTAL AND BUILDING PROOF...YOU DON'T SHOW BUT BS.


Maybe You will not understand but a 20% from translation losses on this post...plus the time it takes you to translate word by word, to then "attempting" to interpret it...

SO, IN THAT CASE...I WOULD BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO WRITE WHOLE THING IN YOUR NATIVE LANGUAGE...AND EXCELLENTLY DONE...LIKE I ALWAYS DO!!


Ufopolitics

[marathonman]

Unbelievable

How dense can you people be. i have stated many, many times that the first model DID NOT HAVE A PART G CORE and was NOT LOOPED BACK FOR SELF SUSTAINMENT. now do you understand or do i have to draw it out in crayola crayons.

what is really funny is my failure was better than your accomplishment. seaad.
BLIND LEADING THE BLIND or rather THREE BLING MICE, SEE HOW THEY RUN.
even like those tiny sugar ants that run all over the place back and forth getting no where. i have not seen NOT ONE RESEARCH PAPER FROM ANYONE ON THIS FORUM BUT ME. yet you CRITICIZE MY WORK. HOW GUTLESS.
SOUNDS LIKE SOME PEOPLE ARE AFRAID TO STICK THERE NECK OUT LIKE A MAN SHOULD AND RESEARCH THIS DEVICE.

UFOP;

Yeap!!!

...No Eddy, No Freddy...No Peggy, No Teddy... with last name "currents"...here at all...

We do not want any of these guys here!!!

All far and away.

That was funny to say the least.



Have a good day.

MM

[seaad]

bistander quote: "demonstrate at least unity with this contraption?" . . I too have that as an objective

MM quote:"NO WONDER YOU FAILED. Try using part G the real way Figuera did not your version. Just a suggestion."

I'm waiting and shaking with excitement to see the MM G-part in short-cut mode making wonders.

Some unanswered questions:

Hi Ufo,
So again, what is the secret virtual field and where is the free energy?
Regards,
bi

bistander;
I'm uncertain if we are going to hear any answer to your question above , Or: How to obtain that virtual field?
Or answers of my (yours indirectly) question from post;
seaad #1669 http://www.energeticforum.com/295860-post1669.html
bistander # 1671 http://www.energeticforum.com/295864-post1671.html

or

MM: "300 watts out with 100 in - not self sustaining" . . seaad Why not self sustaining?? . . . Why??
MM: http://www.energeticforum.com/292324-post926.html
seaad: #1687 http://www.energeticforum.com/295916-post1687.html
Arne

[bistander]

I'll stick around for a while

... Figuera devised a method to moves the field lines without having to move the coils. He moved the field lines just with two opposing magnetic field moved in unison. Both fields move back annd forth, collide in the central core and are expelled from it cutting the induced wires (flux cutting induction) .


Bistander, this is the simple fact under Figuera generator. But I guess it is pointless to tell it to you again and again because the problem is not your disbelieve but your lack of acceptance to those concepts...

hanon,

I know that the objective is to have moving flux lines cut the secondary coil. I have never denied that this can be accomplished. I just fail to see any evidence or reason to expect that the output power from the secondary would be greater than the input power to the device.

So why don't you stop telling me to go away and you demonstrate at least unity with this contraption? That would go a long ways to convince me of any value here.

Regards,

bi

[marathonman]

Really

WOW ! all this sounds soooo familiar doesn't it. the constant barrage of i don't believe you.

people i or rather Doug was right from the start and i don't care if every one on this web site called me a liar. sorry i am right as is my mentor..

i have put in tens of thousands of hours to prove what he told me so i really could care less what you argue about.

SEAAD;
Quote;
"UFO I used short solid iron rods with paper between, also transformer lam. and shorter ferrite. . DC biased AC well above the zero level. 180 ' and 90 deg.. Stairs, sinus, pulse(s). A year ago. But small ones / A"

NO WONDER YOU FAILED.

try using part G the real way Figuera did not your version.
just a suggestion.

UFOP;

leave hanon alone, his video is all he has for research.

you told me at one time to rise above the madness, now i am telling you, rise above this madness. we as the continuum do not no longer ridicule but teach. we the continuum will teach the world to build the Figuera device no matter how far we are put down, shamed or belittled. we will show the world we care.

UFOP, YOU ARE MY FRIEND.

LETS NOT GO THERE.

MM

[Ufopolitics]

Ufo,

The difference between you and me is that I base my proposals in Physics foundations (not all is bad in Physics), while you do not understand any concept of Physics and prefer to invent your own interpretation and say that all Physics is wrong. Two days ago you were saying that electrical intensity is not a flow, but a kind of "force"..., and two months ago you were saying that current dissipates along a circuit if it crosses a big resistance...What can I say?. Learn Physics. As simple as that.

If you do not share my interpretation is fine. I am not here to convince you, nor to teach you (but I tried to teach you physics with some old posts, as Bistander or Cifta also tried), but I am here to promote this device as much as I can among readers. But do not tell that I am wrong just because it is not the way you visualize magnetic fields as bubbles or ellipses or spirals or whatever you like. And if you do not like the image I posted, I do it again because it is a great summary of the movement of the magnetic lines to get flux cutting induction, yes the one existing in ALL generators:



Figuera, apart from engineer, was a Physics Professor. So learn from Figuera's approach

As you said before in your post, I am also sorry to tell it that.

WOW, Hanon...


I was NOT attacking You!...



Your way to look at that is DEAD WRONG!


Where did the South Poles went to?...Christmas shopping?

It is not about Spirals or Vortexes...it is about a BUBBLE...and that is in CLASSIC ELECTROMAGNETISM!!

The only one here who have to keep reading is just you.

It is a shame Hanon, that You are Spanish...Figuera was Spanish...Patent is in Spanish Language...and still people are waiting for YOU to produce, show AT LEAST the simplest test with resistors, PROVING MAIN CONCEPT after all the time you have spent on this work!!!!!!


Even with Iron Filings you will see what I am talking about!!

But that is not the attitude dude!


I was not attacking you at all, as a matter of fact I said, I AM SORRY a few times...which NOW, I do not...Your mental capacity is very low...and can not take just a CRITIC from YOUR FREAKING MASTER!!

Yes, That is exactly what I am compared to your very small brain.


Keep all that BS 3 pennies Video...I WILL MAKE MINE...Period!


Ufopolitics

[hanon1492]

Hanon,

You keep showing that video...like it is in reality what Both Fields should look like when fluctuating currents alternatively...

I am really sorry to write this... but that is NOT the way it takes place in Reality.

Ufo,

The difference between you and me is that I base my proposals in Physics foundations (not all is bad in Physics), while you do not understand any concept of Physics and prefer to invent your own interpretation and say that all Physics is wrong. Two days ago you were saying that electrical intensity is not a flow, but a kind of "force"..., and two months ago you were saying that current dissipates along a circuit if it crosses a big resistance...What can I say?. Learn Physics. As simple as that.

If you do not share my interpretation is fine. I am not here to convince you, nor to teach you (but I tried to teach you physics with some old posts, as Bistander or Cifta also tried), but I am here to promote this device as much as I can among readers. But do not tell that I am wrong just because it is not the way you visualize magnetic fields as bubbles or ellipses or spirals or whatever you like. And if you do not like the image I posted, I do it again because it is a great summary of the movement of the magnetic lines to get flux cutting induction, yes the one existing in ALL generators:



Figuera, apart from engineer, was a Physics Professor. So learn from Figuera's approach

As you said before in your post, I am also sorry to tell it that.


PS. I opened your video link and just for your info: what you see in a CRT monitor with some magnets are not either the real magnetic field. It is the way that electrical charges (in the cathodic tube) behaves when inserted INTO a magnetic field. Therefore it is just another way to see an effect, not the cause. It a different form to iron fillings or to dune in the desert under the wind action. Effect not causes. Just if you want to consider it. But I not disagree with the video, because, as mine, the aim is to show others two repulsive fields.

[Ufopolitics]

Thus is the best sentence where Figuera describe the real aim of his generator. It is taken from the 1902 patent. It is the only sentence where he describes the function of his machine

[

Current generator moves the fields lines to get induction. But in order to move the field lines they need to move the heavy coils creating a huge drag, or torque as you prefer to name it. Figuera devised a method to moves the field lines without having to move the coils. He moved the field lines just with two opposing magnetic field moved in unison. Both fields move back annd forth, collide in the central core and are expelled from it cutting the induced wires (flux cutting induction) .


Bistander, this is the simple fact under Figuera generator. But I guess it is pointless to tell it to you again and again because the problem is not your disbelieve but your lack of acceptance to those concepts. So no matter if you even see one of those OU devices running, you will always think that it is a trick. I recommend you to move to a forum of mountain bikers. There you wont find the black magic that we show here

Hanon,

You keep showing that video...like it is in reality what Both Fields should look like when fluctuating currents alternatively...

I am really sorry to write this... but that is NOT the way it takes place in Reality.

Maybe that is one of the reasons why Bistander (and many more people) does not "get the real picture" about what you are trying to show there...

Magnetic Fields are like a 3D Bubble (and that is a fact, no matter if it is the Classic Theory, Russell's , Wheeler's...or Rawls and Davis...)...and even not starting talking about center split Dielectric Field, with two 3D ellipses, etc,etc...so let's keep it simple according to Classic....

So, Let's just do it -for sake of simplicity- considering EXACTLY THAT TRANSPARENCY that You are showing there, But Separately, One for each Core...set exactly at center of each cores

Both "Bubbles" do NOT move Forward and backwards through iron core axis like you show...no Sir...and am sorry.

The real way it takes place is like imagining each one of these Fields were inflated Balloons... and while One is being "Inflated" with Higher Currents...the other one is "deflating"...by lack of currents.

While NOT losing by even one Millisecond being ALWAYS at DEAD Center embodiment of Core, no matter the level of Inflation Size they get...

So, in order to maintain a perfect alignment between both fields is NOT such a "piece of cake" as you show.

Realize both Bubbles have rounded curvatures geometries at each of their North Poles Extremes binding in face to face...BUT, One is getting smaller, while the other one is becoming bigger, scaling bigger-smaller...at unison.

This is the simple reason why...there MUST BE maintained a CONSTANT PRESSURE between Both....in order that they always keep pressing each others walls together...forming (according to iron filings test) that center line.

If You watched my Video on Magnetic Spatial Interactions...go to Repulse Patterns with Ferrocell and CRT...and there you will observe a Third Bubble which is formed between both Fields...and here, it is better to rectify your fields fluctuations are correct...since all you have to trace is the Dead Center of that Third Bubble between both Fields.

We could perform this test by setting our three electromagnets on top of a CRT while fluctuating...then observe what I am writing here....follow your Bubble displacement along secondary axis...and do not allow to run away from it...nor to cover too much, passing secondary core limits.


Same as CRT, it could be a Long Piece of Viewing Film...where it will show a darker ellipse at center between both fields..


I doubt very much we could perform this test with Loose iron filings...while they are fluctuating, unless we conceive a specific designed set up for it.


Regards


Ufopolitics

[hanon1492]

Thus is the best sentence where Figuera describe the real aim of his generator. It is taken from the 1902 patent. It is the only sentence where he describes the function of his machine

[

Current generator moves the fields lines to get induction. But in order to move the field lines they need to move the heavy coils creating a huge drag, or torque as you prefer to name it. Figuera devised a method to moves the field lines without having to move the coils. He moved the field lines just with two opposing magnetic field moved in unison. Both fields move back annd forth, collide in the central core and are expelled from it cutting the induced wires (flux cutting induction) .


Bistander, this is the simple fact under Figuera generator. But I guess it is pointless to tell it to you again and again because the problem is not your disbelieve but your lack of acceptance to those concepts. So no matter if you even see one of those OU devices running, you will always think that it is a trick. I recommend you to move to a forum of mountain bikers. There you wont find the black magic that we show here

[seaad]

UFO I used short solid iron rods with paper between, also transformer lam. and shorter ferrite. . DC biased AC well above the zero level. 180 ' and 90 deg.. Stairs, sinus, pulse(s). A year ago. But small ones / A

[Ufopolitics]

No Eddy, No Andy...No Freddy...

Yeap!!!

...No Eddy, No Freddy...No Peggy, No Teddy... with last name "currents"...here at all...


We do not want any of these guys here!!!


All far and away.