Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera

[Ufopolitics]

The Essence to Understand here...

Hi UFO,

I should point out, that if the input coil is only has a coupling coefficient <0.9 as would be the case with an open core, the coil current waveform would be as previously shown. If the coupling coefficient was say 0.999 i.e. a typical transformer, then the current waveform would be similar to the voltage waveform.

L192

Hello L192,

Please, do not limit nor confuse yourself by comparing this device to a Transformer!

The way to approach this device is to a typical Home Generator's Exciter Coil plus its OPEN, Rotating Core, and you will get your doubts cleared out and away.

Once we are picturing the Exciter's Field of a Generator, spinning at 3600 RPM's...versus the TWO Points (the Two Output Coils) where Max Induction is reached...(whether are where majority of conductors are cut, or where BOTH cores "meet and align")** This is an old argument about where is that Generating Coils receive Max Induced EMF by the Exciter Field POSITIONING or ANGLE...and really, my point here is to ANALYZE FOR EITHER WAY, in order not to bring arguments AGAIN related to this "dilemma".


Regards



Ufopolitics

[Ufopolitics]

On FIG 1 On FIG 2

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A Deeper Analysis about Figuera's Principle of Invention's Observation...

Hello again to All,

Still putting together all stuff that hurricane Irma messed up, basically trees, forest, etc...plus a few shingles off the roof... it seems that Irma did not like what Florida's Landscaping looked like......but we came out nice out of this one on the East Coast, thanks to God!!

Getting back to Figuera's 1908 Patent...I will have to cite one post I wrote a while back...


Clemente Figuera 1908 Basic Application Principle...

And out of that long post, I will resume on the basic part I would like to analyze here:

And my translation...

PRINCIPLE OF THE INVENTION

Closely observing what takes place in a running generator, we can notice that all induced coils do, is to approach and get further away from the magnetic centers (cores) of magnets or electromagnets that act as the inductors (exciting fields), and such coils by their constant spin are going through sections of the magnetic field of different levels of strength, since, this (magnetic field) have its maximum strength at the very center of the core of each electromagnet, this (strength) property starts weakening as the induced (generating coil) is separating (getting further away) from the center of the electromagnetic core, to then maximize again, when such induced (coil(s)) gets closer to the center of the next electromagnet's core of opposite polarity as the later one.

I am NOT objecting above Figuera's way to look at a running Generator...it is just that his analysis seems TO BE DONE IN SLOW MOTION

Paraphrasing Figuera's words: Field approaches to then Center-Align...to then get further away...

This is a fine, slow motion observation of this Energy Generation Process...BUT IN REALITY, Whenever Exciter Field is reaching the Operating Speed of 3600 US (3000 EU) Revolutions per minute,the "Approach and Retract Processes" are almost negligible...

Actually, by observing the exciter's core arc segment, related to the generating fields cores width...then spinning to a HIGH velocity (in our minds) we will notice all the generating field "sees" are FLASHES of North-South Reversals of Spin every HALF CYCLE.


Anyone here knows that if we slow down an exciter field when generator is loaded, say with a simple fan and a Tach...just by setting the ICE in "Choke"...Fan will decrease RPM's considerably(Slow Motion Field)


Just a simple observation I wanted to bring on...in order to reach the truth...


Regards



Ufopolitics

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Conclusions from above post...

Just wanted to add to above post...

That if we accelerate to 3600 RPM's, the two inverted "pyramid" look alike signals that must of Us agree would be according to Figuera's ...we will just have a very sharp spike, which would only give a "Field Life" of a too short time (nanoseconds per se), meaning, not long enough timing to cause any decent Induction on the collecting coils...

If you all notice, the "spread out" pyramid relates to a very slow RPM/Time, causing very weak induction...note the On Time would only be like the size of two elements from the 16 commutator, while the longest time is taken by the ascending and descending slopes...

So, when we accelerate, we notice the induction only reaches certain levels, to then start falling down and not even reaching the operating speed.

Meaning...We all need exactly the OPPOSITE Signal...with much longer duration of On Times.


Regards


Ufopolitics

[Matu]

[Ufopolitics]

Hi, I'm hypermotor on the YouTube channel, I've been interested and researching on the Figuera device for a long time, I'm still very interested from the beginning in this investigation and I congratulate you for your good work, thank you for sharing your results.
It means in its last post, that it discards the last investigation that was carrying out by pressing on bifiliares coils and returns to the configuration NN with resistances, varying only the time that they are maintained in maximum and minimum ?.
Thanks again and greetings from Spain.

[Ufopolitics]

To All,

Some updates...


I have tested my new rotary switch...and guess what?...it does work excellent,and the signal when am just feeding pos-neg and probe-ground where coil terminals go...I get exactly same square inverted signal with the small space in between...very neat!!

Of course, when I connect a coil then spikes show up and down, generating an "h" up connected with an inverted "h" due to spikes on both ends.

Still having issues with PC Mobo is not recognizing USB devices after I updated to a new BIOS version...and now to erase or "downgrade" BIOS is a "project" which manufacturer software will not allow it...mobo is fried...I had to replace two El Caps which were inflated...so I got a new Mobo from INTEL (mine was ASUS)...RESULTING THAT I CAN NOT LOAD IMAGES NOR VIDEOS...until I resolve this issue...right now am using a PS2 Keyboard and mouse...as I write here, very uncomfortable!

Got to get new RAM boards where mine will not socket with new Mother Board....so I will get higher ram memory than before.

Sorry about the momentary inconvenience guys!!


Regards


Ufopolitics

[Matu]

[Ufopolitics]

Tiempo de vida del Campo- Field Lifetime

Thanks Ufopolitics,
I also did not get overunit with the NN configuration, at low revolutions if it produces energy in the secondary, but on the 18 to 20 hertz begins to lower until reaching practically zero, I think it can be because to being the same polarity, the field stabilizes and barely changes.
I will start a new research with your method, I will keep you informed of the results.
regards
Matu

SOLUTION

[Matu]

[Ufopolitics]

[Elcheapo]

generator

Hi everyone,

Haven't posted for quite some time.
I guess this old man is getting lazy in his old age.

But here are a few things to think about.
As most here know, my control circuit was making a good magnetic
field between the two n-n poles but there was zero output from
the 'y' coil centered between those poles.

What we need to do is use our brain like Figueras did to study
the functioning of a conventional generator.
He seen that as the armature coil was moving closer to the field
coil, the magnetic field would get progressively stronger and then progressively weaker when it passed the field coil.This of course is the basic functioning of any rotating generator.So he tried to simulate this very action by using resistors to vary field strength by changing amperage levels.
Well this is all part of the intrinsic design of any rotating generator and
is the way it has to be for a rotating system.
But our system has nothing to rotate so we can vary the magnetic field
in just 2 steps instead of 8.
All the different patents are proof that progress was being made and I'm
sure the later designs had no use for 8 resistors.

So let's again use our brain to study the generator a little further.
If the armature has say, 6 coils then we have to build 6 units to approximate
the same output. I know Figueras was using 7.
Now the part that I was most interested in was the ONE way direction of all
those rotating coils. Each coil would put out a positive pulse each time it passed by the field coil.

But the magnetic field in my unit bounces back and forth in TWO directions.It goes through the 'y' coil first to make a positive pulse and then back through the 'y' coil a 2nd time to make a negative pulse.
So any induced voltage just get cancelled.

What to do?
Well I just wound the 'y' coil in bifilar and voila! I get enough voltage to
light up a small pilot lamp bulb.
I now have an indicator to tell me when I do something right or wrong.
Wake up people! there's still lots to do!

[Ufopolitics]

Hi everyone,

Haven't posted for quite some time.
I guess this old man is getting lazy in his old age.

But here are a few things to think about.
As most here know, my control circuit was making a good magnetic
field between the two n-n poles but there was zero output from
the 'y' coil centered between those poles.

What we need to do is use our brain like Figueras did to study
the functioning of a conventional generator.
He seen that as the armature coil was moving closer to the field
coil, the magnetic field would get progressively stronger and then progressively weaker when it passed the field coil.This of course is the basic functioning of any rotating generator.So he tried to simulate this very action by using resistors to vary field strength by changing amperage levels.
Well this is all part of the intrinsic design of any rotating generator and
is the way it has to be for a rotating system.
But our system has nothing to rotate so we can vary the magnetic field
in just 2 steps instead of 8.
All the different patents are proof that progress was being made and I'm
sure the later designs had no use for 8 resistors.

Hello ElCheapo,

I am very glad to read that finally you've got some positive results in your set up!!

Now, above you have made a very close description about the way Figuera conceived the Generator (Dynamo) functioning...and so IMHO, with all due respect to Figuera's approach, and after replicating almost all possible combinations plus a very close mechanical driver based on one brush and 16 elements commutator, as the one he got made in Germany...I got to the following conclusions:

First, You are right about we only need TWO "TEMPOS" or two INPUTS to the exciter coils, and if we get back to the old generator, which is spinning say at 3600 Revolutions Per Minute...which means Rotor containing Exciter Coils in a SIMPLE Generator of just TWO POLES is revolving at 60 times per second, in which TWO Magnetic Alignments takes place, meaning 30 TIMES PER SECOND at N-S PLUS 30 TIMES PER SECOND at S-N, of course alternated in between...IMHO, there is absolutely NO TIME for picturing absolutely ANYTHING taking place as "progressively approaching" and "progressively moving away"... That IS SLOW MOTION!!...and these machines NEVER Operate at slow speeds!!

The way we must imagine this...is by very fast PULSES, which creates kind of FLASHES AT SECONDS RATES as above mentioned.

Secondly and HOWEVER, the MAIN part here is to realize that at this speeds of a very fast revolving ALL THE TIME ON FIELD, which means is FULLY DEVELOPED-and ready to go- IN EVERY FLASH on a TYPICAL, SIMPLE GENERATOR, Then we must give ENOUGH ON TIME to Field in order to be able to fully develop in every "flash"...MEANING, a type of "NEEDLE SPIKE" ON TIME will NOT generate absolutely NO STRONG INDUCTION.

So let's again use our brain to study the generator a little further.
If the armature has say, 6 coils then we have to build 6 units to approximate
the same output. I know Figueras was using 7.
Now the part that I was most interested in was the ONE way direction of all
those rotating coils. Each coil would put out a positive pulse each time it passed by the field coil.

But the magnetic field in my unit bounces back and forth in TWO directions.It goes through the 'y' coil first to make a positive pulse and then back through the 'y' coil a 2nd time to make a negative pulse.
So any induced voltage just get cancelled.

What to do?
Well I just wound the 'y' coil in bifilar and voila! I get enough voltage to
light up a small pilot lamp bulb.
I now have an indicator to tell me when I do something right or wrong.
Wake up people! there's still lots to do!

Definitively we need to keep studying the very basic and SIMPLE Generator to then apply it to our Static Coils and Cores.
Success ONLY COMES THROUGH BIG TIME EXPERIMENTATION.

If you are now showing some induction, -which is great- because you went Bifilar on y...it means your exciter fields were doing their job fine, but you did not have enough turns, or enough copper to capture Induction properly.

I am beyond lighting small bulbs stage friend...I am powering up 120v AC Machinery like Big Fans, drills and electric saws...

Glad to see you are still working on Figuera's, plus now you are having positive results!!...


Regards


Ufopolitics

[Elcheapo]

progress

Hi UFO,

I somehow knew that you'd be the first to respond to my post.
Even though we don't always agree on things I think we both enjoy
experimenting in technical things.

Sorry if I used the wrong word "progressively". No of course there is no
"Slow motion" involved, I simply wanted to imply that the changing magnetic
field between armature and stator wasn't instantaneous but varied up & down like a sine wave.

The strange thing about my system right now is this.
I start off pulsing the 2 coils in unison using 2 amps & 6 amps so that
total current flow stays at 8 amps, but the bulb only lights up when the
frequency is set to 350 hz. But get this. As I'm varying the frequency to
get the bulb to light, the total current drops down to 1 amp when that little
bulb is at maximum brightness!! (bulb is only 6volt .25amp)

Haven't done any more on the thing yet but I highly suspect that resonance
has much to do with it. I'll know more when I check the resonant frequency
of my 2 solenoids. I do know that when reading about all the free energy devices resonance is very important.
My present circuit is quite simple and uses just one logic chip that is
either on or off. No more counter ic's or opto-couplers.

WOW! Your system is really doing great if you can run all those things
at 115v. How much input power are you using?
That rotary switch looks very complex in using both slip rings & a commutator.
I can understand one or the other, but not both at the same time.
Is that cap just there to delay the spacing between pulses?
What's the purpose of that iron ribbon coil?
Oh well, guess I'll just have to study it more to get to understand it.

Regards

Elcheapo

[Ufopolitics]

Hi UFO,

I somehow knew that you'd be the first to respond to my post.
Even though we don't always agree on things I think we both enjoy
experimenting in technical things.

Sorry if I used the wrong word "progressively". No of course there is no
"Slow motion" involved, I simply wanted to imply that the changing magnetic
field between armature and stator wasn't instantaneous but varied up & down like a sine wave.

The strange thing about my system right now is this.
I start off pulsing the 2 coils in unison using 2 amps & 6 amps so that
total current flow stays at 8 amps, but the bulb only lights up when the
frequency is set to 350 hz. But get this. As I'm varying the frequency to
get the bulb to light, the total current drops down to 1 amp when that little
bulb is at maximum brightness!! (bulb is only 6volt .25amp)

Haven't done any more on the thing yet but I highly suspect that resonance
has much to do with it. I'll know more when I check the resonant frequency
of my 2 solenoids. I do know that when reading about all the free energy devices resonance is very important.
My present circuit is quite simple and uses just one logic chip that is
either on or off. No more counter ic's or opto-couplers.

Hello ElCheapo,

Yes, guess you and I are more likely all is left here building up...maybe some more in the background...

You don't need that much high freq, basically very low numbers should work, not even above 60 hertz.

What I believe is going on in your case, is that Induction is taking away currents from your exciters, hence reducing your input power, even though the bulb is of so low currents, still it closes the circuit on y...I have learned so MUCH on this whole deal friend!!...see, there is a "magnetic connection" (yes, could call it MAGNETIC RESONANCE) established between exciter-induced coils, once output coils are closed by ANY load, then Input starts decreasing gradually.

WOW! Your system is really doing great if you can run all those things
at 115v. How much input power are you using?
That rotary switch looks very complex in using both slip rings & a commutator.
I can understand one or the other, but not both at the same time.
Is that cap just there to delay the spacing between pulses?
What's the purpose of that iron ribbon coil?
Oh well, guess I'll just have to study it more to get to understand it.

Regards

Elcheapo