My Scooter Wheel Energizer

[citfta]

20 cycles

Hi Tyson,

If I remember correctly the old Bedini motor group recommended at least 20 cycles to reach full potential on your battery capacity. And it could take longer if the battery was in bad shape to start with. It sounds like you are on the right track with the way things are going. Isn't is amazing how much better these things work when you try to follow directions instead of doing it your own way. I mean after you do that then you can try your own thing and see if you can do better. I have seen several people on this forum in the last couple of months just insist it should work better with neo magnets even after I try and explain why it won't. Congratulations on doing a great job!

Carroll

[SkyWatcher]

Hi carroll, thanks for the reply.
Yes it does seem to work rather well the way it is.
Just finished half of the 7th charge cycle.
Rest voltage is now at 12.95-12.96 volts from the original 12.48 resting voltage.
Charge time decreased by just over an hour to same voltage as last charge cycle, which was 15.95 volts at around 17 hours for continued cell equalizing.
There is certainly a consistent pattern of improvement on this battery, though it may well take over 20 charge cycles, we will see.
peace love light
tyson

[totoalas]

Solar TS SSG Night time Charging

Solar TS SSG Night Time Charging 210912 - YouTube
Hi Skywatcher
this may be off topic but just want to have ur comment on the scope shot
I got from the TS SSG Output
I bought the scope for 150 HKD in the junkshop and seems working
Hope you can help me interpret this
My input v 14 vdc and iutput 16 v dc and I place the probe om ykr puyput negative rail

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totoalas

[SkyWatcher]

Hi folks, Hi totoalas, thanks for the reply and links.
How much charging are you getting at night with that setup.
Have never owned an oscilloscope and the few classes took involving scopes, the memory is very dim.
Though bedini is always speaking of the H wave.

Well the wheel is still making improvements apparently on this 12 volt-7AH battery.
Just like the last cycle, it charged to 15.95 volts an hour quicker, though on the last cycle, it had pretty much the same watt hour capacity, upon discharge.
Resting voltage is at 12.94 volts, maybe that can be raised a bit more, if we let it sit longer to equalize, though we'll just continue the regular cycling for now.
So the guess is, that the battery is lowering its impedance and causing it to charge around an hour quicker, each cycle so far for the last 2 cycles.
We will see where this goes, after many more cycles and of course, we'll keep posting the results for all to see.
peace love light
tyson

[totoalas]

Hi folks, Hi totoalas, thanks for the reply and links.
How much charging are you getting at night with that setup.
Have never owned an oscilloscope and the few classes took involving scopes, the memory is very dim.
Though bedini is always speaking of the H wave.

Well the wheel is still making improvements apparently on this 12 volt-7AH battery.
Just like the last cycle, it charged to 15.95 volts an hour quicker, though on the last cycle, it had pretty much the same watt hour capacity, upon discharge.
Resting voltage is at 12.94 volts, maybe that can be raised a bit more, if we let it sit longer to equalize, though we'll just continue the regular cycling for now.
So the guess is, that the battery is lowering its impedance and causing it to charge around an hour quicker, each cycle so far for the last 2 cycles.
We will see where this goes, after many more cycles and of course, we'll keep posting the results for all to see.
peace love light
tyson

Hi Tyson,
Youre doing good with your set up... My set up.... using a TS SSG from Kyle and placing the Mobius coil winding under the rotor
Solar output from 2 series 10 w monocrystalline panel is 4. 89 V dc and output to 7.5 v dc ( need caps to boost) to a 4 AH battery initial v 5 v dc after one hour is 6.7 vdc ( alum converted) 10 pm
In daytime solar input is 33 v dc and charge battery goes to 14 v dc
and rest voltage of 9 v after sundown ...... need more cycles as you said


totoalas

[SkyWatcher]

Hi totoalas, thanks for the reply, information and kind words.
So it sounds like your setup is giving you a good value, in terms of recharging, will look closer at that type of circuit, when more results are obtained from this wheel and now the newest joule ringer 3.0 device.

Started the 9th charge cycle and decided to let it keep charging to equalize the cells further, had a feeling it would be of benefit and that feeling was correct.
The 12 volt-7AH SLA test battery is now resting at 13.21 volts from the original 12.48 volts, after 8 hours rest time.
This battery was brought to 16.3 volts under charge.
This result is very encouraging so far, at least as far as rejuvenating batteries goes, efficiency tests will have to come further down the road, as i still have to rejuvenate a few other batteries.
Still, a very worthwhile endeavor it seems.
peace love light
tyson

[SkyWatcher]

Hi folks, for those interested, the battery at its 9th charge cycle gave 70 watt hours at around 320 milliamps average load and had a resting voltage of 13.18 volts from 12.48 volts.
So looking very good, would guess 20 cycles should bring this battery to like new or better.
peace love light
tyson

[SkyWatcher]

Hi folks, an update for anyone interested.
Now have all 4 strands hooked up to 4 separate 2n3055 transistors, thanks to a donation from family.
It is drawing 900 milliamps at 14 volt psu.
1 ohm resistor test shows around 740 millivolts or 548 milliwatts radiant output.
It can really charge the heck out of these 12volt-7ah batteries now.
On 11th charge cycle, will report battery improvements update around 15th charge cycle.
peace love light
tyson

[tachyoncatcher]

Great!

@Skywatcher,
That is great! Once you have your numbers from a couple batteries, charge 2 batteries at the same time, in parallel. Use a heavier, stranded wire between the batteries, than what typically comes with clip leads. Now look at your numbers . Hmmm, something doesn't quite add up. Where is this extra.... This is fun! Thanks, John Bedini.
Randy

[SkyWatcher]

Hi randy, thanks for the reply.
Yes, will definitely do that when this battery and another cycled for at least 15 charge cycles or more if needed.
Can you tell what you have seen in your experiments with charging at least 2 batteries on back end (parallel) off of one input battery of same voltage and capacity, thanks, sure others out there would be interested just as much.
peace love light
tyson

[tachyoncatcher]

Old Numbers

Hey Tyson,
I don't have the numbers any more, but here is what I remember. I tested 2-4-6 batteries in parallel to my energizer. I used 14awg stranded between batteries and to the energizer. I powered my energizer with 24v for that test. Tuned for 24 v prior to test. All batteries were 12v 7ah. The primaries were conditioned, scalar charged. I found that charging 6 batteries did NOT consume proportional power to charging 2 or 4. I found that charging 6 batteries did take more time but not proportionally to the 2 battery or 4 battery test. I think it ran a little over 600 ma to do its work.
As JB has told us all and my tests confirmed, its not the power you put in the battery that counts, its the signal. If you spread that signal across 2-4-6-8 batteries, you cause charging effects without the hot power. Stranded wire, like litzed wire with high frequency, preserves the transient signal. Transients are believed to travel on the outside or surface of wire.
I believe there are no "small" details when building these things. I have run MANY tests of different construction configurations of this one machine. I build my own bobbins and have even built my own core tube to get the precise size I was after. I have gone though thousands of feet of various sizes of wire, testing coils on that one machine. My current configuration has 3 coils, uses 4320 feet of #23 wire, has a 7 inch rotor with 6 magnets, runs at 1700-2500 rpm (depending on what your charging), and kicks butt on ~700 ma. Sorry I got off topic. Construction was not part of your question.
Peace my brother,
Randy