My Scooter Wheel Energizer

[SkyWatcher]

Hi carroll, thanks for the reply.
The coil is 5 strands of 24 awg. wire and 4 of them are in parallel (1.6 ohms) as one primary coil and the 5th strand is used as the trigger winding.
Maybe I should put 3 strands in parallel as the primary coil and 2 strands in parallel for the trigger, maybe it's not getting enough base trigger with just the one trigger strand.
As the latter coil wiring should give the 2 or 3 gauge difference some have mentioned.
peace love light
tyson

[shylo]

Hi Carrol

I don't understand, you say were not charging with the magnet, but the kickback from the coil. Does the passing magnet not induce a pulse in the coil, and it's this pulse we feed to the battery??
shylo

[citfta]

Pulse

Hi shylo,

The pulse from the magnet is only used to turn on the transistor. When the transistor turns on it creates a magnetic field in the coil which kicks the magnet away which is what drives the wheel. At the same time this field creates a pulse in the trigger winding which is the opposite of the first pulse. This pulse turns the transistor off very quickly. This quick turn off creates a spike from the coil which is what charges the battery. The material referenced earlier describes all this. A lot of people want to use strong magnets for this circuit but they do not help. They create more drag and make it much harder to tune this circuit for best efficiency.

Later,
Carroll

[SkyWatcher]

Hi folks, good explanation carroll.
I've just been running tests and writing the charge time and load time data down on my batteries.
I really am intrigued by one thing though, and that is the fact that only 75 milliwatts is available at the output of this SSG monopole energizer wheel.
Yet, we can run a resistor load off the charged battery, extracting something like 16 watt hours , whereas, the coil only output around 300 milliwatt hours into the battery to charge it.
I realize this has been pointed out already, though there has to be a way this can be accomplished with a much lower input, considering it is obvious that the energy to charge the battery is not coming from our input.
It seems we are just using an inefficient way of creating this charging effect.
I have tried small value direct cap pulses into a battery at higher voltage and low current, in attempts to emulate what the coil might be doing to a battery, though have not seen the same rates of charging yet, has anyone else.
There has to be a way.
peace love light
tyson

[tachyoncatcher]

Me Too

Skywatcher,
I have observed the same results. There is a difference between a timer induced coil and one that interacts with magnets. The later seems to be better at inducing the unmeasurable to batteries. I believe we are missing how magnetics affect the coils during the triggering that give us our spikes. I believe the spikes we look for are not alone. There is a reactant, that causes our batteries to charge beyond the measurable input. I believe these things through building, observation and tests.
Your trigger does not need to be stronger. If anything, weaker. Carrol is right, it is only needed to trigger and not much is needed. The larger the trigger wire, or length, the more current it uses. This is just wasted energy unless you redirect it to the charging side. I tested parallel wires connected to one transistor and those same wires, each connected to its own transistor. the later works much better. One would reason the collapse of the coils flux would cause the distribution of that energy through the parallel wires to work better if they are all connected together and run through one transistor. Not so. One would reason there would be more loses running each wire to its own transistor, then to the charging battery. Not so. Build, Test, Be Amazed!
Randy

[SkyWatcher]

Hi randy, thanks for the reply.
Funny you should mention the parallel wires, as I was just pricing out parts and am going tomorrow to the shack to get 3 more 2n3055's and some diodes, probably will use the 1n4007's for now and the 1n4001's for the base/emitter diodes.
And yes, with my solid state charger, when i used a transistor for each strand, it was much better.
Good thing is, is that I have a few charge cycles already done on a battery that is showing good signs of improving.
So with the data I have collected, it will show me if efficiency and charging improves.
So I will have 4 transistors total, with the one trigger strand, can't wait to see how it performs.
peace love light
tyson

[totoalas]

Hi Skywatcher

Nice build you have
Im planning to build one from my 18 inch rotor with hard disk drive magnets from an old server 8 pcs each double sided. I used a 12 v dc fan from an induction cooker @ 160 ma powered by a 10 w solar panel / 4 ah battery

My question are
1. Which pulse circuit is best suited with my rotor N S N S top and bottom horizontal mounting on a vhs head
2. Coil design to charge at least a 7 Ah battery used in my joule ringer

I tried the new SG oscillator output to run the rotor without success
Ith rotor will spin only after a push using 10 w solar / 4 ah battery


My purpose is to run my sg oscillator on solar to charge in daytime and this rotor to charge the batteries on night time since the sg can charge two batteries 7 ah at the same time.....
You can join the iaec xmas pulse motor build contest it will be fun lol

totoalas

[wrtner]

I'm planning to build one from my 18 inch rotor with hard disk drive magnets

The Bedini folk are very clear that the magnets need to be ferrite.

Do you have any spare dumped microwave ovens? There are ferrites
in the magnetron unit. Two ring magnets which could be cut into
three with an angle grinder.

[totoalas]

The Bedini folk are very clear that the magnets need to be ferrite.

Do you have any spare dumped microwave ovens? There are ferrites
in the magnetron unit. Two ring magnets which could be cut into
three with an angle grinder.

Hi wrtner
Thanks for the info,
have lots of them in my collection 1500 pcs waiting to be used

totoalas

[shylo]

Can it be switched fast enough
Does the approaching magnet not induce voltage in both coils??, is the battery pulse the opposite of the magnetic pulse??
It's the abrupt cancelation of the induced flow ,that I believe allows radient to flow.
I'm not even sure it's radient, I think it's just the equal and opposite reaction to what were doing.
Point is the more magnets on the wheel, the faster it has to switch.(or the more often)
shylo

[SkyWatcher]

Hi folks, thanks for the replies.
Hi totoalas, if you mean you're going to use north pole then south pole permanent magnet polarity around the wheel, then it will still work fine, as that's what the pc fan conversions are, N-S-N-S.
Though mine is all north poles out, 18 magnets.
I walked to the shack today and they only had two 2n3055 transistors in stock, so for now, i will be using 3 transistors total and leave one strand unconnected, until they get more 2n3055's in stock.
Even still, 3 strands with transistors, should work pretty well, we'll see.
peace love light
tyson

[tachyoncatcher]

Neo Magnets

Hi tyson,
wrtner is explaining that hard drive magnets are neo magnets. The face of them have a north and south pole. These would be bad magnets for a energizer. Ceramics are what is needed with one pole on the flat side facing the coil. The ring magnets in a microwave will work to that end.
Tyson, be sure to use a 22 ohm resistor on the trigger coil before running to other transistors. Each transistor will need the same resistance you have found optimum for your first winding. The grain of wheat bulb then becomes more important to keep all those transistors triggering properly. Think of it as a variable resistor that auto adjusts according to the impeadence of the load.
On another note. After your tests with the windings, put additional batteries in parallel to charge. The results are quite interesting. Keep in mind, all the batteries will take on the personality of the worst battery.
Randy

[SkyWatcher]

Hi folks, Hi randy, thanks for the reply, it seems your advice will probably be needed.
As i fired up one transistor and it drew around 170 miiliamps after stabilizing, then hooked up all transistors and it is drawing around 700 milliamps, then once the charge battery climbs a bit, the wheel starts to accelerate too fast, so i shut it down.
I probably need more resistance before the common base resistors of all transistors, as you have said and probably that wheat bulb will help.
Using 470 ohms for the base resistances, 1n4001 for the base diodes, 1n4007 for the flyback diodes.
Thanks again randy for your help and all others giving helpful information.
This wheel sure is more fun than watching a solid state radiant charger just sit there, hehe.


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peace love light
tyson

edit: oh yes, each coil strand is 5 ohms.

[SkyWatcher]

Hi folks, Hi randy, that did the trick.
I added 30 ohms resistance before the transistor base resistances and also added a wheat bulb, the wheat bulb is just faintly glowing.
Now it does not accelerate wildly like it did before, when the charge voltage was rising, it stays stable and seems to be charging well.
Drawing 680 milliamps at 14 volts psu, no heat anywhere.
1 ohm resistor output test, shows around 500 millivolts or 250 milliwatts.
We'll see how this works out.
peace love light
tyson

[wrtner]

Hi wrtner
Thanks for the info,
have lots of them in my collection 1500 pcs waiting to be used

You can use their neo magnets for Bedini energisers instead:
Zero Point Energy - John Bedini Energizers 1 - MDG 2007