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[Matthew Jones]

You cannot be serious. You cannot measure the open circuit voltage
then multiply it by the short circuit current to get output power.
That is completely invalid. And that's a fact.

The output is the power dissipated by a load or useful work done.

Sheesh, no one else even mentioning that is not right ?

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I told him to put it that way, cause I knew you'd reply that way. And again I get to point out you have no experience with any of this.

The open circuit goes up under load because the extreme gain in RPM.

It has not failed yet to show more power production under LOAD than Open!!!

Its to bad for ya....

Anybody who isn't looking seriously at lenz assisted or lenz reduce generation, coil shorting, physical locking loops (Leedskalnin PMH), or high impedance coils is waisting time.

Matt

[Farmhand]

I'll say it again

You cannot be serious. You cannot measure the open circuit voltage
then multiply it by the short circuit current to get output power.
That is completely invalid. And that's a fact.

The output is the power dissipated by a load or useful work done.

Sheesh, no one else even mentioning that is not right ?

..

[Matthew Jones]

I'll say it again

You cannot be serious. You cannot measure the open circuit voltage
then multiply it by the short circuit current to get output power.
That is completely invalid. And that's a fact.

The output is the power dissipated by a load or useful work done.

Sheesh, no one else even mentioning that is not right ?

..

Its been measured all kinds of ways. No matter how he puts the output:input ratio will be in the ballpark 14:1.

So you bark about the semantics of text all you want it does what we say it does.

He has scorched 150 watt bulbs black before we realized what was happening.

You can sum it up any kinda way you want, your not the one with the money, and he's happy.

Matt

[Turion]

Farmhand,

You are right. I get a little carried away. I burnt up several 150 watt bulbs because the voltage across the bulbs was 170 volts, before I realized what the problem was. I have since shortened the wire, added an additional strand to increase the amps, and have a measured voltage across the load (doing work) at 126 volts. I have done lots of tests with this, but haven't tested everything

You are correct that just because the voltage and amps in one coil are at a scertain number that doesn't mean all the coils will be the same. I have measured the four coils I have, and they are close enough to the same that I made the assumption they would all be in the same ballpark. Perhaps they won't be. Time will tell.

My purpose in presenting the information in the first place was to encourage others to continue to explore the possibilities. Hopefully I have done that.

Dave

[IronShades]

Tesla, Einstein, and Leedskalnin

Thank you, I have noticed, when people see pictures of the magnetic lines, of permanent magnets. The lines of force do run from pole to pole, however they also run in from the air and out and away from the metal the magnets are flowing in, as well as away from the lines running pole to pole. I have looked high and low looking for someone to explain, were are the lines of force were going, and were are they coming from. The title of this post is Tesla, Einstein, and Leedskalnin, for these reasons; Einstein said [The universe is equal forced push and pull], this has been mostly over looked. Tesla talked and wrote about Magnetricity, also highly over looked. Leedskalnin, wrote about Equal Forced Magnetic Current. most have no clue who Ed Leedskalnin is let alone what he did. These 3 men were all talking about the same thing. Cern not to long ago said [they have discovered Magnetricity], they have called it a alternate to electricity, witch is a topic for the most part still not high on the list of things commonly talked about ! I have studied what is at the centers of electromagnets, and permanent magnets. For the most part electromagnets and permanent magnets at there centers are all in fact a figure 8, with the execption of one type of permanent magnet. The VEE-shaped permanent magnet, used on the flywheels of the old model T, and Leedskalnin's magneto flywheel. The center of the VEE-shaped permanent magnet is ZERO. This plays into Einstein saying the universe is equal push and pull, and is clearly what Ed Leedskalnin was talking about when he wrote about Equal forced Magnetic Current. Zero is the third force, never mentioned, 3, 9, 6, 3 north 6 south, 9 zero is the force of balance, the yeng & yangs center is infact this zero point. [III] . The 3 lines of early mans power, Leedskalnin flywheel made magnetricity[equal forced magnetic current] .The zero point of a VEE-shaped permanent magnet is in fact the KEY, to north and south being equal, do to the fact that the zero point is equal push and pull. Getting back to my point earlier the lines in and away when talking about permanent magnets lines of force, Magnetricity is magnetic static. When Leedskalnin shows in his expernments how magnets collect on and in mass , it's static magnetic's, magnets from the air collect on the mass of matter, in the from of magnetic static. this is were the lines of force come in, when talking about permanent magnets,, when current is drawn from a magneto the magnets in return draw magnets from the air.Leedskalnin's magneto used VEE-shaped magnets every v-magnet on Leedskalnin's flywheel has a clear zero point. When Leedskalnin drew current from his magneto for power the wheel in return drew static magnetic's from the air to stay balanced, and perhaps at the end of a long day of Leedskalnin using his wheel , it very well could have been even more power than when he started. you all must keep in mind magnetricity is not electricity, and so modern physics does not apply. Magnetricity is the way of the future, as it was for men of or forgotten past.

[shylo]

Readings

Hi All, I'm not even sure measurements are being done correctly.
When you add a load to generating coils , the coils , oppose you.
In respect to their magnetic orientation.
IF you have an opposite set of coils, and add a load , they too will oppose you.
If they are on the same drive axle , will they add together ,to double the opposition, OR will they cancel?

I haven't been able to make a proper com. So I've been spinning it to just see ,output.
I'm not sure yet but, open or shorted the torque to drive it doesn't seem to change .
Usually when you pull load off the coils (shorting them through a light) , the torque to drive it increases ,you can hear the drill die-down.
With this arrangement ..I don't notice it,...maybe the load is too small?
artv

[citfta]

Just a reminder

This is just a reminder that this thread is for open discussion about the technical aspects of any project on this forum. Or if you want to start discussion of any other project feel free to use this thread. Just remember this is for technical discussions of projects. No bashing or name calling if you don't agree with someone else's ideas. Just explain from a technical point of view why you don't agree. If you resort to name calling it will be assumed you don't have the technical expertise to defend your position.

Respectfully, Carroll

PS: This post is not directed to anyone that has been posting here. I am just bringing this up for any newcomers that might be interested in posting in this thread.

[erfinder]

Hello

I have a question. What is magnetic current? Its been suggested that its reactive current. Being no expert myself I cannot disagree, however, my spider sense went off when I read that. I have no resonance with the idea that the two are the same. I have a one word definition for what I think it is, however, I am interested in the opinions of others.

What then is magnetic current.


Regards

[Matthew Jones]

I am not sure what the main stream thinks but I always recognized it as described by Leedskalnin. I could type a lecture for you but since he already wrote it.

Leedskalnin Magnetic Current

Cheers
Matt

[citfta]

Hi Matt,

You beat me to it. I was looking up the link to his little book on scribd while you were posting that. As I was doing a quick read over his book I saw something that caught my eye. Someone just recently posted on this forum that magnetic repulsion and attraction are not the same strength. I have never tested that but Ed L says they are the same. Anyway Ed's description of magnetic current doesn't seem to have anything to do with reactive current.

Carroll

[erfinder]

I am not sure what the main stream thinks but I always recognized it as described by Leedskalnin. I could type a lecture for you but since he already wrote it.

Leedskalnin Magnetic Current

Cheers
Matt

Ah yes...the works of Mr. Leedskalnin. I spent a little time reading his publications and performing his suggested experiments. As he spoke primarily in riddles it was difficult for me to distill any real information regarding what magnetic current really was from his perspective. He does describe it, but in a manner which leaves one with more questions than answers. Saying that its composed of individual north and south pole magnets is OK but leads you to seeing monopoles which may or may not exist.

"Now I will tell you want magnetic current is. Magnetic current is the same as electric current is is a wrong expression. Really its not one current they are two currents, one current is composed of North Pole individual magnets in concentrated streams and the other is composed of South Pole individual magnets in concentrated streams, and they are running one stream against the other in whirling, screw-like fashion, and with high speed. One current, if it be North Pole magnet current or South Pole magnetic current, cannot run alone. To run one current will have to run against the other."

Here its clear that he doesn't emphasis a difference between electric current and magnetic current, he points out only one thing and that's there are two currents not one.


"Magnetic currents, or if you want to call it electric current, make no light."

Here again, he reminds us that he sees no difference between magnetic current and electric current.

In light of this and other works which have inspired my area of research, I have come to the conclusion that magnetic current = Magnetism.

What would a system look like ( 16GT Monopole Motor) which operates on magnetic current? By its very nature it would seem, to me anyway...., that such a system if properly constructed would be considered as a true example of a no CEMF device....running off the potential provided by the supply only..... .....cause the current is generated by the device itself.... .

I could be way way off though...right?


Regards

[shylo]

Does anybody know?

Hi All, The talk about magnetic current. On my old computer I had an article about some science professor ,it was dated in the mid 50's ,who showed an experiment so you could actually see the flow of magnetic current.
I can't remember his name, but he was at some university, does anybody have a link , or know who this guy is?
I should have printed that info.
artv

[shylo]

projects

Hi all, Since Carroll, said this Am just curious if there any magnetic drive systems out there?
No gears, no belts ,or chains.
Just one set of spinning magnets to drive flywheels.
It requires battery supply , but the spinning magnets produce strange effects.
I found that by placing the same pole magnets on a wheel and spinning them , they act like a ring magnet ,the opposite pole being in the centre.
When it's not spinning the field isn't present.
Will cris-crossing wires that are being induced, cause the field being created to flip polarity as it crosses over?
artv

[citfta]

Hi Shylo,

Yes they do use magnets to drive other devices. Mostly they are used to drive pumps. The motor turns the magnet and the magnet turns the impeller of the pump through the base of the pump housing. The advantage of this is there are no seals to wear out and leak like on a conventional pump. These types of pumps are used mostly for pumping caustic and corrosive materials that would be hard on the seals. If you look on Youtube you can find several examples of these kinds of drives. There have also been some experimenters using wheels with magnets on them to drive other magnets on a second wheel which is supposed to give some extra power to the system. They have even connected several of the wheels together and put alternators on each one to supposedly get OU. I could not find that video with a quick look but someone on here may have a link to it.

Carroll

[shylo]

Small load

If you have a big flywheel , being driven , by a small load on the battery,
Will the output of the flywheel , exceed , the small load?
If you arrange the magnets right, I think it will continue to increase?
But that might be , not so good.
I have more test's to do ....I want to arrange the collapsing field , to coincide with the rise of the propagation field.
Fluctuate between the neutral zone of the current, and potential?
Also testing using small magnets to drive flywheels,
2in. can drive 70in. wheel , no problem.
artv