Open discussion for projects on this forum.

[boguslaw]

you wanted a proof and here you are ...

New Energy Generator That "Would Not Consume Fuel" - Tesla's Letter to Robert U. Johnson

[wayne.ct]

Gas Discharge Tube 2020-15T-C2LF

Thank you for the entertainment. My thanks may border on sarcasm, but it did divert me from more serious activities. I would rather see a circuit diagram that uses the above gas discharge tube or one of its related part numbers. I would also like to see pictures of the working circuit and a report of the results. Exciting positive OU results would be nice but even less than OU would be interesting. This reminds me a lot of the Tokamak that even today consumes more energy than it creates from fusion.

If multiple millions can be spent on that kind of research, why not some serious consideration to Bedini, Beardon, Newman, etc. Ohm's Law and its variations that account for inductance and capacitance seem to work well for DC and sine wave AC, but, as far as I have been able to discern, Ohm's Law is less than stellar when it comes to spikes and fast rising/falling square waves.

BTW, mathematically speaking, a true square wave would have a huge number of frequencies present ALL AT THE SAME TIME. I see no problem with having two or more frequencies on a single wire, capacitor or inductor. The only question is how your circuit is configured from an electrical and physical / structural point of view. The experiment comes first and the math comes second. That is the view that appeals mostly to me. Anyone that opines that if the experiment does not match the mathematics the conclusion is automatically wrong need not apply for my endorsement. And, I won't be trying to reproduce their experiments.

Now, a circuit that can be reproduced at a reasonable cost and demonstrate some interesting results would jump to the top of my list. The "Eric Laithwaites lecture" was interesting. His concluding remarks (Part 4) were great. I don't remember if I ever encountered him before.

I would appreciate anyone pointing me to free online references to building high Q resonant tanks and related design factors.

[dR-Green]

I would appreciate anyone pointing me to free online references to building high Q resonant tanks and related design factors.

http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/11918-tesla-magnifying-transmitter-eric-dollard-type-coils-compendium.html

http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/1631-peter-whatever-happened-eric-p-dollard-27.html#post173955

[edit] Although not exactly what you're after.

[citfta]

High Q circuits

A search on the internet will give you some resources for calculating and working with high Q circuits. The old time Ham radio operators are very familiar with high Q circuits. Here is a link to some study info that teaches about resonance and high Q circuits.

Lessons In Electric Circuits -- Volume II (AC) - Chapter 6

Carroll

[dR-Green]

you wanted a proof and here you are ...

New Energy Generator That "Would Not Consume Fuel" - Tesla's Letter to Robert U. Johnson

Thank you boguslaw. In following the references the information is to be found in "The Problem of Increasing Human Energy". This is a part of the description of the book on amazon:

Part philosophical ponderings on humanity's relationship to the universe, part scientific extrapolation on what technological advancement might bring to that understanding...

There's very interesting and important stuff in this article. In fact it has exposed many things. It doesn't directly relate to the radiant energy patent (diagrams) as such because that's only representative of the concept, but it's still radiant energy. Specifically he's speaking of heat. Everything revolves around the sun, no pun intended, as the source of energy. We're still on the level of everyday physics.

A DEPARTURE FROM KNOWN METHODS—POSSIBILITY OF A "SELF-ACTING" ENGINE OR MACHINE, INANIMATE, YET CAPABLE, LIKE A LIVING BEING, OF DERIVING ENERGY FROM THE MEDIUM—THE IDEAL WAY OF OBTAINING MOTIVE POWER.

... As the first step toward this realization I conceived the following mechanism. Imagine a thermopile consisting of a number of bars of metal extending from the earth to the outer space beyond the atmosphere. The heat from below, conducted upward along these metal bars, would cool the earth or the sea or the air, according to the location of the lower parts of the bars, and the result, as is well known, would be an electric current circulating in these bars. The two terminals of the thermopile could now be joined through an electric motor, and, theoretically, this motor would run on and on, until the media below would be cooled down to the temperature of the outer space. This would be an inanimate engine which, to all evidence, would be cooling a portion of the medium below the temperature of the surrounding, and operating by the heat abstracted.



But was it not possible to realize a similar condition without necessarily going to a height? Conceive, for the sake of illustration, [a cylindrical] enclosure T, as illustrated in diagram b, such that energy could not be transferred across it except through a channel or path O, and that, by some means or other, in this enclosure a medium were maintained which would have little energy, and that on the outer side of the same there would be the ordinary ambient medium with much energy. Under these assumptions the energy would flow through the path O, as indicated by the arrow, and might then be converted on its passage into some other form of energy. The question was, Could such a condition be attained? Could we produce artificially such a "sink" for the energy of the ambient medium to flow in? Suppose that an extremely low temperature could be maintained by some process in a given space; the surrounding medium would then be compelled to give off heat, which could be converted into mechanical or other form of energy, and utilized. By realizing such a plan, we should be enabled to get at any point of the globe a continuous supply of energy, day and night. More than this, reasoning in the abstract, it would seem possible to cause a quick circulation of the medium, and thus draw the energy at a very rapid rate.

Here, then, was an idea which, if realizable, afforded a happy solution of the problem of getting energy from the medium. But was it realizable? I convinced myself that it was so in a number of ways, of which one is the following. As regards heat, we are at a high level, which may be represented by the surface of a mountain lake considerably above the sea, the level of which may mark the absolute zero of temperature existing in the interstellar space. Heat, like water, flows from high to low level, and, consequently, just as we can let the water of the lake run down to the sea, so we are able to let heat from the earth's surface travel up into the cold region above. Heat, like water, can perform work in flowing down, and if we had any doubt as to whether we could derive energy from the medium by means of a thermopile, as before described, it would be dispelled by this analogue. But can we produce cold in a given portion of the space and cause the heat to flow in continually? To create such a "sink," or "cold hole," as we might say, in the medium, would be equivalent to producing in the lake a space either empty or filled with something much lighter than water. This we could do by placing in the lake a tank, and pumping all the water out of the latter. We know, then, that the water, if allowed to flow back into the tank, would, theoretically, be able to perform exactly the same amount of work which was used in pumping it out, but not a bit more. Consequently nothing could be gained in this double operation of first raising the water and then letting it fall down. This would mean that it is impossible to create such a sink in the medium. But let us reflect a moment. Heat, though following certain general laws of mechanics, like a fluid, is not such; it is energy which may be converted into other forms of energy as it passes from a high to a low level. To make our mechanical analogy complete and true, we must, therefore, assume that the water, in its passage into the tank, is converted into something else, which may be taken out of it without using any, or by using very little, power. For example, if heat be represented in this analogue by the water of the lake, the oxygen and hydrogen composing the water may illustrate other forms of energy into which the heat is transformed in passing from hot to cold. If the process of heat transformation were absolutely perfect, no heat at all would arrive at the low level, since all of it would be converted into other forms of energy. Corresponding to this ideal case, all the water flowing into the tank would be decomposed into oxygen and hydrogen before reaching the bottom, and the result would be that water would continually flow in, and yet the tank would remain entirely empty, the gases formed escaping. We would thus produce, by expending initially a certain amount of work to create a sink for the heat or, respectively, the water to flow in, a condition enabling us to get any amount of energy without further effort. This would be an ideal way of obtaining motive power. We do not know of any such absolutely perfect process of heat-conversion, and consequently some heat will generally reach the low level, which means to say, in our mechanical analogue, that some water will arrive at the bottom of the tank, and a gradual and slow filling of the latter will take place, necessitating continuous pumping out. But evidently there will be less to pump out than flows in, or, in other words, less energy will be needed to maintain the initial condition than is developed by the fall, and this is to say that some energy will be gained from the medium. What is not converted in flowing down can just be raised up with its own energy, and what is converted is clear gain. Thus the virtue of the principle I have discovered resides wholly in the conversion of the energy on the downward flow.

[dR-Green]

FIRST EFFORTS TO PRODUCE THE SELF-ACTING ENGINE—THE MECHANICAL OSCILLATOR—WORK OF DEWAR AND LINDE—LIQUID AIR.

Having recognized this truth, I began to devise means for carrying out my idea, and, after long thought, I finally conceived a combination of apparatus which should make possible the obtaining of power from the medium by a process of continuous cooling of atmospheric air. This apparatus, by continually transforming heat into mechanical work, tended to become colder and colder, and if it only were practicable to reach a very low temperature in this manner, then a sink for the heat could be produced, and energy could be derived from the medium. This seemed to be contrary to the statements of Carnot and Lord Kelvin before referred to, but I concluded from the theory of the process that such a result could be attained...

... A closer investigation of the principles involved, and calculation, now showed that the result I aimed at could not be reached in a practical manner by ordinary machinery, as I had in the beginning expected. This led me, as a next step, to the study of a type of engine generally designated as "turbine," which at first seemed to offer better chances for a realization of the idea. Soon I found, however, that the turbine, too, was unsuitable. But my conclusions showed that if an engine of a peculiar kind could be brought to a high degree of perfection, the plan I had conceived was realizable, and I resolved to proceed with the development of such an engine, the primary object of which was to secure the greatest economy of transformation of heat into mechanical energy. A characteristic feature of the engine was that the work-performing piston was not connected with anything else, but was perfectly free to vibrate at an enormous rate. The mechanical difficulties encountered in the construction of this engine were greater than I had anticipated, and I made slow progress. This work was continued until early in 1892, when I went to London, where I saw Professor Dewar's admirable experiments with liquefied gases. Others had liquefied gases before, and notably Ozlewski and Pictet had performed creditable early experiments in this line, but there was such a vigor about the work of Dewar that even the old appeared new. His experiments showed, though in a way different from that I had imagined, that it was possible to reach a very low temperature by transforming heat into mechanical work, and I returned, deeply impressed with what I had seen, and more than ever convinced that my plan was practicable. The work temporarily interrupted was taken up anew, and soon I had in a fair state of perfection the engine which I have named "the mechanical oscillator." In this machine I succeeded in doing away with all packings, valves, and lubrication, and in producing so rapid a vibration of the piston that shafts of tough steel, fastened to the same and vibrated longitudinally, were torn asunder. By combining this engine with a dynamo of special design I produced a highly efficient electrical generator, invaluable in measurements and determinations of physical quantities on account of the unvarying rate of oscillation obtainable by its means. I exhibited several types of this machine, named "mechanical and electrical oscillator," before the Electrical Congress at the World's Fair in Chicago during the summer of 1893, in a lecture which, on account of other pressing work, I was unable to prepare for publication. On that occasion I exposed the principles of the mechanical oscillator, but the original purpose of this machine is explained here for the first time.

In the process, as I had primarily conceived it, for the utilization of the energy of the ambient medium, there were five essential elements in combination, and each of these had to be newly designed and perfected, as no such machines existed. The mechanical oscillator was the first element of this combination, and having perfected this, I turned to the next, which was an air-compressor of a design in certain respects resembling that of the mechanical oscillator. Similar difficulties in the construction were again encountered, but the work was pushed vigorously, and at the close of 1894 I had completed these two elements of the combination, and thus produced an apparatus for compressing air, virtually to any desired pressure, incomparably simpler, smaller, and more efficient than the ordinary. I was just beginning work on the third element, which together with the first two would give a refrigerating machine of exceptional efficiency and simplicity, when a misfortune befell me in the burning of my laboratory, which crippled my labors and delayed me. Shortly afterward Dr. Carl Linde announced the liquefaction of air by a self-cooling process, demonstrating that it was practicable to proceed with the cooling until liquefaction of the air took place. This was the only experimental proof which I was still wanting that energy was obtainable from the medium in the manner contemplated by me...

... By the use of such machinery as I am perfecting, its cost will probably be greatly lessened, but even then its commercial success will be questionable. When, used as a refrigerant it is uneconomical, as its temperature is unnecessarily low. It is as expensive to maintain a body at a very low temperature as it is to keep it very hot; it takes coal to keep air cold. In oxygen manufacture it cannot yet compete with the electrolytic method. For use as an explosive it is unsuitable, because its low temperature again condemns it to a small efficiency, and for motive-power purposes its cost is still by far too high. It is of interest to note, however, that in driving an engine by liquid air a certain amount of energy may be gained from the engine, or, stated otherwise, from the ambient medium which keeps the engine warm, each two hundred pounds of iron-casting of the latter contributing energy at the rate of about one effective horsepower during one hour. But this gain of the consumer is offset by an equal loss of the producer.

Much of this task on which I have labored so long remains to be done. A number of mechanical details are still to be perfected and some difficulties of a different nature to be mastered, and I cannot hope to produce a self-acting machine deriving energy from the ambient medium for a long time yet, even if all my expectations should materialize. Many circumstances have occurred which have retarded my work of late, but for several reasons the delay was beneficial.

One of these reasons was that I had ample time to consider what the ultimate possibilities of this development might be. I worked for a long time fully convinced that the practical realization of this method of obtaining energy from the sun would be of incalculable industrial value, but the continued study of the subject revealed the fact that while it will be commercially profitable if my expectations are well founded, it will not be so to an extraordinary degree.

So, according to Tesla's own words, his idea isn't based on any mystical energy source. Only materials and mediums that already exist and are well known.

In recent experiments I have discovered two novel facts of importance in this connection. One of these facts is that an electric current is generated in a wire extending from the ground to a great height by the axial, and probably also by the translatory, movement of the earth. No appreciable current, however, will flow continuously in the wire unless the electricity is allowed to leak out into the air. Its escape is greatly facilitated by providing at the elevated end of the wire a conducting terminal of great surface, with many sharp edges or points. We are thus enabled to get a continuous supply of electrical energy by merely supporting a wire at a height, but, unfortunately, the amount of electricity which can be so obtained is small.

The second fact which I have ascertained is that the upper air strata are permanently charged with electricity opposite to that of the earth. So, at least, I have interpreted my observations, from which it appears that the earth, with its adjacent insulating and outer conducting envelope, constitutes a highly charged electrical condenser containing, in all probability, a great amount of electrical energy which might be turned to the uses of man, if it were possible to reach with a wire to great altitudes.

It is possible, and even probable, that there will be, in time, other resources of energy opened up, of which we have no knowledge now.

Source:

"The Problem of Increasing Human Energy" by Nikola Tesla

[citfta]

Is "free" energy possible?

Hi dR-Green,

Thanks for contributing to the thread. I appreciate your efforts to clear up a lot of the foolish claims about Tesla and what he believed. You may have noticed I also have tried to correct some of the misinformation. I am curious though about how you feel about "free" energy or "cold" electricity. In other words do you believe it is possible to harness any other form of energy that we don't really understand yet? Have you seen any evidence that there are things about this world that don't meet the normal explanations for how things are supposed to work? I worked as an industrial maintenance electrician for about 30 years and 99% of the time there was a perfectly logical explanation for why things did what they did. But sometimes I have seen things that happened that just weren't explainable with conventional theory. So I do believe it is possible there are things about electrical energy we don't know and haven't figured out how to take advantage of yet. I have seen my own Tesla switch (not really the right name I don't think) run for a whole week lighting a string of Leds and at the end of the week none of the batteries had lost any voltage. Not even .01 volts. In addition to the Leds it was also running the electronic switching circuit. Well I have rambled enough I was just curious about your thoughts on "free" energy.

Respectfully,
Carroll

[dR-Green]

Hi Carroll. Yes, I believe that "energy synthesis" as Eric Dollard calls it is possible. In relation to Tesla's analogy of heat with water, in this case if the water represents electricity, then the conversion through "work" is represented by hydrogen and oxygen being converted into water. Through this analogy then it's possible to keep a "sink" full with water, even when there is no water anywhere in sight. In this situation you're not faced with the problem of creating oxygen or hydrogen or water, or putting into the situation anything that wasn't already there as such, the problem is synthesizing the available elements into water. So it would be entirely possible to keep the "sink" full of water with nothing but "thin air". And we're still in the realm of science. But like Tesla says, you have to first "do something" to set up the conditions where the elements become readily available, like an SSG needs a power supply to work in the first place for example.

Also, in my opinion, in theory at least, it should be possible to convert oscillations of whatever source into electricity. If there's a natural constant oscillation for example, and a system was built so this natural frequency would excite the coil, then I see no reason why it can't be converted into usable power. If energy is transmitted through the earth for example at a harmonic frequency of some natural oscillation, then why should there be any discernment between the natural and the artificial oscillation as far as any "reacting" apparatus is concerned.

I haven't looked this up to know if there's any information on it, but I would think that one could get an electrical output from a coil that is exposed to a resonant audio frequency being blasted through a speaker, albeit probably with extremely low efficiency. But I think it should be possible. If the coil is excited electrically at a particular frequency, and then a speaker outputting sound at precisely the same frequency is placed next to the coil, carefully, then what happens? Would there be any measurable difference?

What influence or interaction with the surrounding environment (air) would an elevated metal plate charged to a very high potential have? Would there be any measurable temperature changes for example?

Anyway I haven't seen/experienced anything particularly strange on the "generation" side of things, except for what Eric Dollard demonstrated in relation to Tesla's radiant energy patent, specifically Fig. 4 where he charges a condenser from a light bulb. I replicated the experiment using the bulb to attract aluminium tape, which worked exactly as described, so I trust that the rest is accurate. So this would definitely be a form of energy we don't understand yet, in fact I don't think it's even acknowledged. But I haven't seen anything in the form of more out than in.

Have you seen any evidence that there are things about this world that don't meet the normal explanations for how things are supposed to work?

As far as things in general are concerned,





Yes

What I think Tesla seems to be alluding to is basically a matter of efficiency. For example, if a bulb will charge a condenser, then you can make your light reflectors the receiving plate, and run some other small devices. If a motor gets hot, you can cool it and get something out of that conversion, and so on. So the "waste product" isn't purely a waste product as we currently think of it, it can be used for other things and recycled. It's not about the Milkybar Kid coming to town so everyone can feel free to stuff their faces

[Ufopolitics]

Nikola Tesla

Thanks Ufo, but that is totally open to interpretation, and he's philosophising more than he is explaining a scientific experiment with facts as he does when describing his systems and how they work etc.

The translations are questionable, according to one Tesla's whole answer in the interview is:



He refers to Colorado Springs, which he has stated in another interview that I previously quoted that the electricity he soaked the earth with was supplied for free by his friends.

As for the rest, well he's not talking about electrical energy. Electrical energy is just one expression, or one of an infinite number of forms of life.

He also then goes on to speak of Einstein, supposedly, and relativity. Einstein had not gained his diploma until 1901 and had not published his special relativity theory until 1905. This interview is claimed to have been in 1899.



Done many good things, like, gone to school, and not graduated yet.

Furthermore, after Einstein leaves school in 1901 he's unable to get a job as a science teacher, so then he gets a job at the patent office. And Tesla is saying that Einstein had done many good things, speaking in 1899?

And from the bottom of the page:



Well, I certainly appreciate the reminder that it's a "true interview". I would have completely forgotten and accidentally ended up thinking that it was completely fabricated otherwise

Interview with Nikola Tesla from 1899 - freedomtek.org

Assuming that it is in fact a true interview, then there is still no claim by Tesla that one could power their house from energy out of thin air. He's basically referring to a potentiality, in the same way that a seed has enormous potential energy within it. The energy isn't necessarily released or expressed. With a seed we know how to intentionally go about it, or at least start the process. As for powering your entire house with the electrical equivalent, even Tesla himself seems to admit that he hasn't found out how it's done.

So while these days it may be possible to power an LED, and Tesla had some interesting things on a "small" scale and the whole thing is definitely worth investigating further in itself, the whole idea of wireless free energy as the story is told in conspiracy circles seems to be based on a total myth. The reality behind it, according to all common sense and Tesla's own words, is that the transmitter was in no way completely self-powering, the energy was to be generated by conventional means. Energy synthesis while the thing is in operation is another matter. The point of this whole thing is that it's a distraction, searching for magic where there is none in the context of the ultimate Tesla conspiracy, so it's a search that could go on indefinitely. More than one separate things are merged into one "fact" that is spread through youtube, so no one can figure it out.

All the while overlooking what already exists. "We don't have free energy because of the government etc". Total crap. Stick a generator at a river or on a windmill and there you have your free energy through exactly the same means as if Tesla had finished building his transmitter. The only difference is that you'll have to pay to build the generator yourself, for the same reason that energy costs anything to begin with. But that's too simple and obvious isn't it, and when the conspiracists say they want free energy, they mean they want FREE energy. "You pay for it, I'll have it." So in the meantime we will continue to pollute everything, ignore the obvious stuff we can implement today, and keep paying those bills.

Hello Mr Green...Dr Green...

Thanks for your "expanded response"...
We could keep going here...and take the whole thread pages available... but I will not do that...
I rather be brief, but to the point.

“Electric power is everywhere present in unlimited quantities and can drive the world’s machinery without the need of coal, oil, gas, or any other of the common fuels.”
–Nikola Tesla,

Just one simple question...

Have you done the simple test I proposed you do to your nicely build Tesla Coil?
You may be afraid to damage your secondary...?
It won't happen if you use the adequate HV Diodes...as I am sure it will show you "The Other Side" of any Tesla Coils out there...that no one have ever tried to look for in the Corona Plasma Arc...

Regards


Ufopolitics

[dR-Green]

I could be even more brief than that and just say "no" But obviously it's necessary to go through it step by step and break it down, because youtube has poisoned everything. Buzz words create excitement and dazzle the people, when the truth does not. Anyone can spout the words "free energy" but no one can actually demonstrate anything. This only dishonours Tesla, his real work and effort is covered up and ignored, it's too boring, too normal.

He has said in no uncertain terms that the sun is a vast source of energy, and that is responsible for all the activities here on earth in the form of shifting energies continually trying to balance themselves, which present a potentially unlimited number of ways of getting mechanical or electrical energy from it. It's all very simple stuff from this perspective. But everyone ignores this and wants to believe there's magic involved. They want to participate in marathons on the moon before they have learned how to crawl on earth. Which of course only makes the whole thing unobtainable. Ignore the sun as a source of energy and you will need all the luck in the universe to be able to sprout even more energy than that out of nothing.

Have you done the simple test I proposed you do to your nicely build Tesla Coil?
You may be afraid to damage your secondary...?
It won't happen if you use the adequate HV Diodes...as I am sure it will show you "The Other Side" of any Tesla Coils out there...that no one have ever tried to look for in the Corona Plasma Arc...

What test was that? I haven't done any high voltage experiments for a few months. Using a signal generator, a diode, in fact two parallel diodes in opposite directions, on the ground end stops the whole thing from working.

[edit] Anyway, back to the point, Tesla's wireless "free" energy was only free to the consumer because "someone else" was supposed to pay to set it all up, and the energy can be derived at no cost of fuel from a magical source that is known as a river or a waterfall. If the electric companies today decided to give it away for free then we would be in exactly the same situation, except for the cables. It has nothing to do with the energy source, the consumer and the developer are on two completely different levels of thinking. The bottom line is, it's as free now as it ever has or will be. The "money" part is a social agreement, it's made up, it doesn't even exist to begin with. But the magician has to divert away from the real issue with more impressive things that dazzle and amaze the audience, so they don't notice his sly tricks.

[Ufopolitics]

DR Green...

I could be even more brief than that and just say "no" But obviously it's necessary to go through it step by step and break it down, because youtube has poisoned everything. Buzz words create excitement and dazzle the people, when the truth does not. Anyone can spout the words "free energy" but no one can actually demonstrate anything. This only dishonours Tesla, his real work and effort is covered up and ignored, it's too boring, too normal.

He has said in no uncertain terms that the sun is a vast source of energy, and that is responsible for all the activities here on earth in the form of shifting energies continually trying to balance themselves, which present a potentially unlimited number of ways of getting mechanical or electrical energy from it. It's all very simple stuff from this perspective. But everyone ignores this and wants to believe there's magic involved. They want to participate in marathons on the moon before they have learned how to crawl on earth. Which of course only makes the whole thing unobtainable. Ignore the sun as a source of energy and you will need all the luck in the universe to be able to sprout even more energy than that out of nothing.



What test was that? I haven't done any high voltage experiments for a few months. Using a signal generator, a diode, in fact two parallel diodes in opposite directions, on the ground end stops the whole thing from working.

[edit] Anyway, back to the point, Tesla's wireless "free" energy was only free to the consumer because "someone else" was supposed to pay to set it all up, and the energy can be derived at no cost of fuel from a magical source that is known as a river or a waterfall. If the electric companies today decided to give it away for free then we would be in exactly the same situation, except for the cables. It has nothing to do with the energy source, the consumer and the developer are on two completely different levels of thinking. The bottom line is, it's as free now as it ever has or will be. The "money" part is a social agreement, it's made up, it doesn't even exist to begin with. But the magician has to divert away from the real issue with more impressive things that dazzle and amaze the audience, so they don't notice his sly tricks.

Ah Hello DR Green!!

Sorry Dr Green...but I have to disagree with you...

If you "invest" 36 Volts and 6 Amps=216 W...and get out 200V and 3 Amps=600 W...aren't you getting FREE 384 Watts?!
I mean your entire investment is returned...then you get an "Extra Bonus" for "investing'...
It was just an example...but real.
And yes, I know...the "Laws" Say it is not possible...

But the magician has to divert away from the real issue with more impressive things that dazzle and amaze the audience, so they don't notice his sly tricks.

Oh yeah, "The Magician" has had all of Us using Short Circuit Motors for more than 130 Years up to now...and still find some stupid people that say "there is nothing to improve on "our" Motors...they are already very efficient"...
The Magician also said...that His "Short Circuit Motors" could NOT power a Generator...and obtain MORE than We "In"...and Us all..."The Audience"...clapped euphorically after all this years...Bravo, Bravo...Do it again...Do it again...!!

What test was that? I haven't done any high voltage experiments for a few months. Using a signal generator, a diode, in fact two parallel diodes in opposite directions, on the ground end stops the whole thing from working.

Bad Memory...but I won't tell you...it will not help you to exercise brain if I tell-remind you...and the "German" (Alzheimer) could catch you like that...so be careful...


Regards


Ufopolitics

[dR-Green]

If you "invest" 36 Volts and 6 Amps=216 W...and get out 200V and 3 Amps=600 W...aren't you getting FREE 384 Watts?!
I mean your entire investment is returned...then you get an "Extra Bonus" for "investing'...
It was just an example...but real.
And yes, I know...the "Laws" Say it is not possible...

It's not necessary to start speaking of "laws", I already posted this as an example:



The "law" says I can't do what I have done, and furthermore I should probably be dead, so forget that. But no one has been able to demonstrate your example. If one person claims they have done it, then no one else is able to repeat it.

Theoretically it's possible, as Tesla has described. However, you are thinking "electrically" or "specially" open loop. It needs to be "environmentally" or "generally" open. Tesla has described the conditions that are necessary.

As an example, when you drive your car you are converting the energy to do work. But as a by-product of this work you are doing, when you get out of the car you can get an electric shock. There's another process going on that adds more energy to the "car system" as a whole. When you get the shock and discharge the car then you have expended in total a greater amount of energy than you put into your fuel tank, because the car has gained additional energy from the environment.

So while you're thinking of expending "Miles Per Gallon", you are equally gaining "Charge Per Mile".

You may have noticed that we are still well within "the law" Even though we used more energy than the total amount of energy WE put into the system to begin with.

So there you have it. Your car is a free energy machine

The point is while you are merrily driving along getting from A to B, there's all kinds of other processes going on. You spend more fuel overcoming wind resistance, but this charges the car, so there's some energy you're not using, you're paying for it but you're not using it.

Under normal conditions, input = fuel, output = motive power.

In reality, input = fuel, output = motive power, static charge, light, sound, heat, gases and vapours, air displacement, high pressure in the exhaust etc etc etc.

You are creating all kinds of "disturbances", or energetic imbalances in the environment just through doing what you want to do. These disturbances must balance themselves, which they will do through no external effort. Hence this is what Tesla describes as "the medium" in his lecture "The Problem of Increasing Human Energy".

[jake]

Bravo

Excellent debate...

Bad Memory...but I won't tell you...it will not help you to exercise brain if I tell-remind you...and the "German" (Alzheimer) could catch you like that...so be careful...

Regards

Ufopolitics

What experiment!!!

[Farmhand]

Ah Hello DR Green!!

Sorry Dr Green...but I have to disagree with you...

If you "invest" 36 Volts and 6 Amps=216 W...and get out 200V and 3 Amps=600 W...aren't you getting FREE 384 Watts?!
I mean your entire investment is returned...then you get an "Extra Bonus" for "investing'...
It was just an example...but real.
And yes, I know...the "Laws" Say it is not possible...



Oh yeah, "The Magician" has had all of Us using Short Circuit Motors for more than 130 Years up to now...and still find some stupid people that say "there is nothing to improve on "our" Motors...they are already very efficient"...
The Magician also said...that His "Short Circuit Motors" could NOT power a Generator...and obtain MORE than We "In"...and Us all..."The Audience"...clapped euphorically after all this years...Bravo, Bravo...Do it again...Do it again...!!






Bad Memory...but I won't tell you...it will not help you to exercise brain if I tell-remind you...and the "German" (Alzheimer) could catch you like that...so be careful...


Regards


Ufopolitics

Below I'm just commenting on the part in bold, this is an open discussion.
Let's be nice.

If you "invest" 36 Volts and 6 Amps=216 W...and get out 200V and 3 Amps=600 W...aren't you getting FREE 384 Watts?

No not necessarily, here's why. If the 6 amps at 36 volts or 216 Watts
is applied over 1 hour then we would have applied 216 Watt hours, and
if the 3 amps at 200v or 600 watts is drawn out for only 1 minute
then you would have drawn a total of 600 Watt minutes which when divided
by 60 to get Watt hours = 10 Watt hours or the equivalent of 10 Watts for one hour.

Cheers

[Michael John Nunnerley]

correcting the statement

Below I'm just commenting on the part in bold, this is an open discussion.
Let's be nice.



No not necessarily, here's why. If the 6 amps at 36 volts or 216 Watts
is applied over 1 hour then we would have applied 216 Watt hours, and
if the 3 amps at 200v or 600 watts is drawn out for only 1 minute
then you would have drawn a total of 600 Watt minutes which when divided
by 60 to get Watt hours = 10 Watt hours or the equivalent of 10 Watts for one hour.

Cheers

The ampere hour is NOT A UNIT OF ENERGY. I think UFO is talking of WATTS as in W=A X V on input and output at the same time interval "which maybe one hour or one minute" Amp hours is a measure of STORED energy as in a battery, it is associated in chemical reaction.

regards

Mike