My Asymmetric Electrodynamic Machines

[Lightworker1]

Hello to all,

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This is another option to wind the All North Pairs configuration, this time based on overlapping the coils in the pair, and not completely independent like it was proposed before.

[IMG]very compact

Hello my dear friend UFO, designs are evolving towards the ultimate goal for the Asymmetric Motor Technology that will achieve the stated goals and what's more it is open source. Soon hopefully, I will try this concept on my imperial too. Wish all the best.

Warmest regards UFO and all the hard working members of this forum

light

[Ufopolitics]

Welcome here Brian!

UFO-

I just want to offer my apologies for participating in the hijacked offshoot of YOUR work and project. I was unaware of this and the massive controversy surrounding it until it was brought to my attention via email of someone I contacted, and even more so when a post was made in that thread more or less attempting to put down your work in an incredibly immature and egotistical manner. I will no longer be participating in said thread after last night's investigating.
Again, I apologize for my participation in said thread and not recognizing that it was what it was. I should have realized this earlier. Hindsight 20-20, as usual.

However, I would like to participate in your work. (possibly being an extension of Tesla's work, and in no way a "hijacking of it" like was suggested several times...) After my ignorance and participation in the 'other' thread, I don't expect you to take any time in assisting me, and that is fine, I understand.

Regards and many apologies,
Brian

btw - I think Tesla would be thrilled that you have revived his ideas after such a long time, and after so much suppression by big-money interests.

Hello Brian516 and Welcome aboard,

Don't worry about your previous confusion, it is not your fault.

As you could see this guy is not there to help anyone, just to insist/push his "design" of single poles Imperial as "his own idea"...however, he is using ALL my CAD's and all my designs to run that thread.

He has never wound any other motor than the Imperial he has been working on for over two years...

Never has put together a small motor as the one you have.

One of my first Diagrams here on post#96 written on 7/14/2012 was about a SINGLE COIL THREE POLE MOTOR and Diagram below:

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And as I wrote there, this type of winding is applicable to other configuration in bigger machines.

But hey, let's talk about your five pole and forget about all 'counterfeit material'

First do not listen to that guy about winding your motor with a HEAVIER GAUGE, pure nonsense, you use the SAME or FINER GAUGE and motor will run perfectly smooth and fine.

The Imperial he is working on is originally wound with 16 awg and NOT with 18 awg like he is doing it right now...so, forgive him, he is full of it to the top of his head, and it does not allow him to think properly.

About the Mechanical Set Up:

To remove all epoxy resin and separate plastic fan, you will need a very sharp and fine blade and be very careful with fingers. try getting blade in between without damaging the epoxy on rotor metal.

After fan out and all epoxy in slots, between poles taken out, you need to spread open each commutator hook, going from above to brake them apart to be able to pull wires out with a fine needle nose pliers, do it to both motors commutators. Do not apply heat with a soldering gun, as you may brake the comm copper elements from mica, then commutator is not good anymore.

To pull one commutator out to use it on main motor you have to do it EVENLY FROM BELOW, meaning, DO NOT PUSH ONLY from one element or it will brake apart. Do not try to turn commutator while on shaft either, shaft has straight splines and you will brake it if forcing to turn it.

This motors have enough room to add second commutator, but you may have to force shaft a bit up (towards shaft take off power), leaving less space at bottom of motor (back) enough to get shaft inside rear bushing...just measure distances.

The other part to do is to 'elongate' or extrude the Main outer casing...where you may have to cut a ring off the end of second motor where brushes are mounted, it is all about doing the right measurements where to cut. At Main Motor you have to cut rear end to solder or glue the brush ring and use the housing and brushes from second motor. When you do all this cutting and soldering is better to remove magnets from casing. I have a 175 Watts Soldering Gun that could do that job easily. If you do not have that kind of gun, you could use epoxy or other glue compounds to 'weld' metal.

Make sure before soldering the whole ring , tack it first and test freedom of shaft movement (not binding) by assembling the whole motor together with magnets and all brushes.

When pressing the second commutator, make sure it is perfectly aligned to bottom one (the original that came with motor), meaning, aligning element to element in a linear fashion, as well as when you solder the casing ring, make sure it will hold brushes seating identical above and below.

About the winding:

Once you have all mechanical structures finished...the easier part is to wind it.

The first winding on this Five Pole Motor was displayed here
and CAD below:

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Here you could use different type of windings, including the Pentagon type or the 'Single Coil' unbelievable idea of this guy..., and I have all drawings to follow up the winding method of your choice.

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However, I recommend to wind the All North Type, where all coils (no matter if single or pairs) are wound all in same direction, like I have shown on the post I cited link above, on the three pole first motor I have shown here.

Below is a video on a five pole where I test/compare the North-South Pairs versus the All North Pairs.

[VIDEO]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=diY96XR76Fg[/VIDEO]


Cheers and remember to be careful with blade.


Good luck friend.


Ufopolitics

[HuntingRoss]

Hi Brian

There is a subtle but important difference between nescient and ignorant. Nescient is an absence of knowledge and ignorance is a lack of knowledge.

When you became aware of the situation you acted to correct the absence of knowledge. Ignorance is being aware but not acting.

You'll notice that I'm relatively new to this forum and I have recieved only helpful advice from those participating in this thread, especially from UFO.

There is a great spirit of sharing here.

Happy hunting

mark

[brian516]

UFO-

I just want to offer my apologies for participating in the hijacked offshoot of YOUR work and project. I was unaware of this and the massive controversy surrounding it until it was brought to my attention via email of someone I contacted, and even more so when a post was made in that thread more or less attempting to put down your work in an incredibly immature and egotistical manner. I will no longer be participating in said thread after last night's investigating.
Again, I apologize for my participation in said thread and not recognizing that it was what it was. I should have realized this earlier. Hindsight 20-20, as usual.

However, I would like to participate in your work. (possibly being an extension of Tesla's work, and in no way a "hijacking of it" like was suggested several times...) After my ignorance and participation in the 'other' thread, I don't expect you to take any time in assisting me, and that is fine, I understand.

Regards and many apologies,
Brian

btw - I think Tesla would be thrilled that you have revived his ideas after such a long time, and after so much suppression by big-money interests.

[GlenWV]

P66 motor wind

Hello Glen,

Let's define all asymmetric machines into a singular concept...

All Asymmetric Machines work based on the same principle, which is activating/firing/energizing at least two 'circuits' at the same time per brush set...where 'circuits' could be either a single coil, a pair of coils or a group of more than two coils...simple so far.
.....

Related to your post...you mention the P66 and P56...which one would you be winding?

Regards

Ufopolitics

Greetings:

I've been winding the P66 rotor using the drawing that you provided. I'll continue with that.

Thanks again,

glen

[Ufopolitics]

Simple test...

Greetings:

I have wound 21 groups on the P66 armature with 5 turns per per unit.

My windings aren't tight enough to suit me, so they are coming off and I'll start from scratch again. (Tis good practice, and eventually I'll get good at winding armatures.)

The question becomes: What is the best way to wind this armature now? Mr. UFOPolitics has been kind enough to make a drawing for me to use with overlapping winds and that is what has been followed.
Is there a better hack out there now? If so Mr.UFOPolitics, would you extend me another kindness and make a drawing?

Else, I'll keep on with the current version and try something different using a P56 motor.

Thanks,

glen

Hello Glen,

Let's define all asymmetric machines into a singular concept...

All Asymmetric Machines work based on the same principle, which is activating/firing/energizing at least two 'circuits' at the same time per brush set...where 'circuits' could be either a single coil, a pair of coils or a group of more than two coils...simple so far.

Now, one 'short cut' testing, in order to find out the more suitable configuration without going through the time and effort to wind the whole thing is pretty simple.

Just wind Two adjacent

[GlenWV]

P66 motor wind

Greetings:

I have wound 21 groups on the P66 armature with 5 turns per per unit.

My windings aren't tight enough to suit me, so they are coming off and I'll start from scratch again. (Tis good practice, and eventually I'll get good at winding armatures.)

The question becomes: What is the best way to wind this armature now? Mr. UFOPolitics has been kind enough to make a drawing for me to use with overlapping winds and that is what has been followed.
Is there a better hack out there now? If so Mr.UFOPolitics, would you extend me another kindness and make a drawing?

Else, I'll keep on with the current version and try something different using a P56 motor.

Thanks,

glen

[Ufopolitics]

Video testing of an "Old Machine"...

Hello to All,

The "A1 MOGEN" Single Coils Thread" said to be an "improvement" to MY ORIGINAL MACHINES...uploaded a recent test video plus some odd comments shown here:

[VIDEO]https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=xm_RkMJCVC8&feature=youtu.be[/VIDEO]

In that video is clearly shown a WRONG setting on the reflective tape being on top of bare shaft metal, which is even more reflective than tape...therefore, fluctuating and not steady readings are shown, tape background surface must be BLACK

PLUS, Tape MUST BE on the Radial side of shaft because of such small surface on shaft front face versus recommended tape size.

Note: Video Frames are numbered based on original video order

VIDEO FRAME#201301=3,743 RPM's

VIDEO FRAME#201312=3,743 RPM's

VIDEO FRAME#201550=6,680 RPM's

VIDEO FRAME#201580=10,000 RPM's


Now, below is a previous video I uploaded back on 4/4/2013...about the Imperial P-56 (same exact machine on above video) but wound with the "old" and first configuration North-South Pairs...some may have seen it, but some have not, therefore, I am showing video here so we all can see the Potential of this Old Style Motor running at 36 Volts...which eventually WILL be superseded by the new All North Pair windings...:

[VIDEO]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AZ07298sRCw[/VIDEO]

We all can see the Test Results:

1-ONE GATE>>>Switch 1/P1 ON (Video Time: 04:03)>>>3584 RPM's

2-TWO GATES>>>Switch 1 & 3 /P1 & P15 ON (Video Time: 04:18)>>>3787 RPM's

3-THREE GATES>>>Switch 1,3 & 2 /P1, P15, P8 ON (Video Time: 04:55)>>>4200 RPM's

4-ALL FOUR GATES>>>Switch 1,3,2 & 4 /P1, P15, P8, P22 ON (Video Time: 05:14)>>>4374 RPM's

Tests on ANY Motor MUST be done with the proper testing equipment, that shows Total Voltage PLUS DC Amperage otherwise it is considered a VOIDED VIDEO TEST.

The All North Pairs, even the Original Design (NOT OVERLAPPED PAIRS) which of course, I will also make, would be superior in overall performance (TORQUE AND RPM's) than the test shown on above video, PLUS much lower Amp draw and less Voltage consumption.


A Comparison Test between two different windings MUST be done EXACTLY with the same STARTING Battery Voltage shown on DMM as previous test, AND the same circuit connections as shown above

So, ...please...Don't let anyone CONFUSE YOU and TRY TO FOOL YOU with the WRONG CONCEPTS plus readings that represent absolutely NADA!

Torque is excellent!

Means absolutely NOTHING, no matter how big is written... without applying to motor a HEAVY MECHANICAL LOAD DEMONSTRATED ON A VIDEO WITH THE RIGHT EQUIPMENT.

So, NO ONE have to believe in just words and comments without the RIGHT TESTING, BACKING THE 'BIG MOUTH' CLAIMS.

1-Starting Voltage, before running Motor MUST be shown.
2-From Start Voltage we can deduct the Motor OPERATING VOLTAGE while running/testing
3-DC AMPERAGE DRAW MUST BE SHOWN...

If the person conducting this tests, don't have the proper equipment, or don't even know how to use it...then VIDEO IS NOT A VALID TEST...SIMPLE!

THERE IS ONLY ONE WAY TO PROFESSIONALLY TEST A MOTOR WITH THE PROPER EQUIPMENT, BASICALLY, IF ATTEMPTING TO "SHOW OFF AND CLAIM ADVANTAGES" IN THIS OPEN FORUM WHERE MANY BRILLIANT PEOPLE ARE ATTENDING.

SO PLEASE, DO NOT INSULT OUR INTELLIGENCE SHOWING CRAPPY VIDEOS, THAT MEANS ABSOLUTELY NOTHING!


Ufopolitics

[Ufopolitics]

Imperial_all_north_overlapped_pairs

Hello to all,

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This is another option to wind the All North Pairs configuration, this time based on overlapping the coils in the pair, and not completely independent like it was proposed before.

[IMG]very compact

[admin]

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Midaztouch,

Please check your PM's.

Thank you.

[Ufopolitics]

Why not help Brian516 instead?

Fake Wizard of OZ

You have the audacity, the tenacity to claim Tesla's work is a scientific comedy!

Let's review...Your Designs

N/S... Amp monster! Let's name it "Old Sparky! A fire hazard, waiting to happen!

Group winds... Magnetic density at zero torque zone! Joke! Garbage! You were trying to convince me to build the Imperial like that!? Me?!, _ell NO!

Pair winds... Close but...you missed, nope!

Strike 3!!! Your out!

Son, It was a good effort! No crying! Your out! Now, sit on the bench! Now, your angry and being a poor sport!? Ok, Where the video review?!

Everyone is waiting for you vid of your 5pole designs -vs--5pole A1Mo-Gen
I know you don't want to watch that! It's in HD, as clear as a beautiful day!

You remember the A1Mo-Gen. You said it was... Stupid, lacked intelligence, will catch fire, and most importantly... It discredits all of my(UFO/Raul's) work! I wouldn't never design crap like that. Then hung the phone up in my face!


28pole 20KG/45lbs A1Mo-Gen is ready for BATTLE against any of your feeble Tesla designs!

I see that you've been to my thread and YouTube channel.
How do you feel that the A1Mo-Gen did 1730 RPMs @12v Battery that can't take a full charge..
Also torque would not stop/stall with a 220lbs/100kg man, me, trying my best to stand on the shaft!


Keep it Clean and Green
Midaz

I guess you need me for your ratings. Since you work is over rated!

Listen,

Why don't you go and do your job at your Thread?

Why are you not helping Brian516 to make his small five pole in detail?... like I did on my Thread so patiently and with so many members?

C'mon, clear all his doubts and questions he has with your MAMoGRAMo, oops sorry bad spelling!...meant Ma AMoGenMo...

What is your obsession with this Thread and with me in particular?

Finish your motor, put it on the Bike, run it...and film it...if you go at the speed of light for over 200 plus miles...believe me, I would be the first one to congratulate you...but if not...if it goes 5 miles per hour at full throttle, screaming and smoking...OMG, then I would not like to be in your shoes after all the smoke you have created all over this Forum...

But, please, do not take another Two Years plus to do that...

Remember that everything you have learned is THANKS to Me, Myself and I...so, demonstrating it works for you will add a plus to me...BUT, if it don't...is just you there, all by yourself...taking all kind of skeptics and conservatives jumping on your site all over you...not here...I did not do it...I will just answer:

Looking for Midaz?...Oh no, He does not lives here anymore...he moved, but I will give you his address here ...You could find him there.

And yes, I will do seat back and relax...while watching SHOWTIME...

Yeah, I know, sometimes life is miserable and 'unfair rules' may apply...which are not even on both sides...


Raul (Papi)

[Ufopolitics]

What a clown...

Since MIDAZ was the main person of focus in the last two posts! And I don't like for people to speak for/get the wrong impression/misquote me.

Listen boy,

The last two post were addressed to Garry Childers, as the 'main person' and 'focused' about his conclusions, comments and real testing with Asymmetrical Machines versus Symmetric ones.

But now that you jumped here and post on my thread...let me ask you...did you read well Garry's Title in that post?

It clearly reads:

ANOTHER USEFUL IDIOT

Any comments about that very fair earned "Title"?

I've got two years worth of build experience with TESAL'S asymmetric motors... Not two months!

First, it is NOT "TESAL'S"...it spells TESLA's

Build experience of two years?...

did it really take you that long, but I mean that long, to wind the ONLY Motor you've ever touched in your life??!! still with the old configuration of N/S Pairs? that long really??!!

Boy, You are really slow!

Just because it is the ONE & ONLY Motor you have ever built.

Oh!, I forgot that you had to wind it like six or seven times before it poorly ran...but two years to wind it!? even for such many times of winding...is still an awful long time boy!

I already knew all above 2 posts information!

I could care less if you did or did not know about this post from Garry, it is My response to Garry's post, period.

This is my thread, I write here to whoever and whenever I please to, if you do not like it leave boy.

You wrote you would not post here anymore?...what happened?...your double personality is so unstable that it becomes uncontrollable?

Try some PMS pills boy.

I didn't say the motors don't work/spin well.

I said "The N/S, pairs and groups wind designs are NOT superior(not enough reason to change the status quo) to OEM motors in a fair comparison...
AWG for AWG, turns for turns, watts for watts, and inputs for inputs!... You know... An unbiased comparison.

Who wrote those 'fair comparison' rules?...you did?...I figured that.

Symmetry chooses to poorly wind a rotor because its configuration and series connections, leaving lots of empty space through whole pole slots.

Asymmetry is a completely different arrangement within the coils circuits and brush contacts...so, who told you we have to 'constrain' our windings according to a different configuration?

You should know all that...but well, you were having trouble winding that motor for two years...maybe you forgot, short term memory is a bummer, isn't it?

If we are to follow 'your rules' for a 'fair comparison' it must be done in a 'part for part' as well...right?...so the 'extra commutator' would be cataloged as an 'unfair extra item' above the symmetric model.

And so the 'Extra Brushes' required to switch that 'Extra Comm'...oh! but wait!...that brings double the mechanical drag on Asymmetrical Motors than Symmetrical right?...so, what do we do then to 'abide' by 'your rules' here boy?

Listen, rookie, whenever a Motor Equipment Manufacturer decides to use an "X" Motor for their tools or appliance, they do not go by 'your ridiculous rules', they do not choose motor by counting the number of turns, wire gauge or number of nada, they just choose the motor based on its performance specifications. They could care less about the 'internal affairs' of the chosen motor.

The more you open your big mouth, the more you set yourself in ridicule in front of such a big audience.

*The A1Mo-Gen by Midaz, Tesla's "Gift"..."Electromagnetic Reactor"... Now, that's a REAL game changer!

You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about...and again, my recommendations are to fully engage whatever part of your small brain grey cells that are still working with your big mouth.

[B][I]Hello, Tesla was a REAL Genius! People wrote books about him! Opened up museums all over the world in his honor! People have claimed his work stations as historical sites! Made movies about him. Not to mention the millions of people who have spent countless hours of researching his patents. Tesla's work is bigger than overinflated egos that claim Tesla's Asymmetric Electrodynamic Machines are mine. Due to the stipulations of patients coil winds.. It's all Tesla's'.

Listen, big mouth/small brain...if it wasn't by MY FULL DISCLOSURE here, where you have spent two years winding a single motor...you would have never, ever, even find out who Tesla was.

Your small brain is so small, but I mean so small...that is not capable of even starting to discern Tesla's Patents before a serious, critical overload.

So, the applause is OVER! It's time to move on. Don't mention/reference my name here anymore because I'm gone!

That was what you said the last time...you were gone...and look...here you are again, annoying this excellent thread with your 'advertisement' about your second wind in two years of the ONE and ONLY Motor you have ever put your hands on.

On my behalf, it's not about me! It's all about Tesla's work! A better alternative than what's been presented on this thread... And from my "Observation" so far, the A1Mo-Gen is Light Years ahead!

It is not about you?...what about: "MY A1 Mo-Gen"...or "A1 Mo-Gen by Midaz"

It Ma MoGenMo Bro! wassup boe?

Keep it Clean and Green
Midaz

In my World, I classify guys like you as..."Too much Noise, Too much Smoke and very little forward advance"...similar to those old and small capacity farting machines with a wear out transmission clutch.

You don't even have what it takes to start playing with me boy

You keep posting here and I will make your "MAMOGENMO" as well as You, look so ridiculous-from a technical and a personal point of view, both- you will really have to leave not only this thread but the entire Forum site.

That was a statement, not just a warning, I mean it.

[Ufopolitics]

Thanks for this great response Garry...Part 2

Continuing from previous Post:

The benefit of cold electricity is in the cooling of the coils! Nikola Tesla discovered this effect and UFOPolitics has discovered it in his own winds. Until the last two months of testing I did not understand this effect that UFOPolitics was trying to expose to us.

It wasn't until I went back to the cold electricity coil of UFOPolitics and started using a pulser with it that I truly got an understanding of the difference.

I still need time to fully explore this effect. But it is possible to use the same size wire, the same length of wire that a symmetrical motor uses and get much more power and rpms and use much less energy with an asymmetrical motor.
That is a bold statement. I will make another, the standard method of using pulse width modulation is inferior to using incremental increases in frequency and leaving the pulse width consistent and I have proven so and will demonstrate so.
As you increase motor speed with pulse width modulation it has the unfortunate result of increasing amperage draw and thus increasing heat in the motor coils. This tells me that energy is changing form and although consumption of energy is increasing that increase is wasted in producing heat.

In my tests of using incremental increases of frequency and leaving the pulse width consistent the motor coils stay cool to the touch.

Yes indeed, and in every single post and video I have dedicated to explanation of Asymmetry, I attribute to Nikola Tesla this great discovery about 'make and brake' in a coil...so simple!

Is great that you had gone back to my older thread Garry, to get the essence of all this 'enigma' related to pulses feeding coils...

Here I will use this part to suggest a simple experiment:

Get a Coil, like the ones I have shown on that thread, say 200 turns of 18 gauge on a plastic tubing delivering between 1-2 ohms...pulse it with a simple PWM, and obtain the 'Cold Side' through Diodes from Coil...then feed a Symmetrical Motor from that 'Purple' side, the cold side...and watch it behave.

The truth here is that the electric motor industry has had over a hundred years to improve their designs and some of the greatest minds of the world to do so. And failed to gives us a product that could make it through an entire race without needing to be charged up.
That is a dead end road Midaz and I am amazed that you think that any solution will come from them.

If they do so...they will be killing the "Gold Eggs Goose" ...or Oil as primary Energy dependance.

Garry, the problem here is that 'they' have not only 'retarded' the Motor Industry from developing...but primarily the Electric Generator developments.

I have been busy testing and building and retesting and rebuilding, not sitting on my butt waiting for someone else to come up with answers for me to take credit for.

UFOPolitics deserves credit and not the disrespectful attacks that you have exposed here lately.

He has never attacked anyone that has not attacked him first.

The claims he has made I for one have found to be true. I continue on this path because I think it is the most innovative approach that I have seen so far.

I now have begun to appreciate what UFOPolitics has been trying to teach us about the effect that he is talking about.

Truth is not something that is taught, it is something that is caught.

Magnetism and electromagnetism is something that has baffled men for centuries. Even Tesla himself, as great an electrical engineer as he was, admitted that he did not understand how it worked. He understood that in the end the result would not be in closed symmetrical systems, what you put in is what you get out.

The real power is in asymmetry. There is a sea, a veritable ocean, of energy surrounding us that is begging to be tapped by the most creative minds of our generation.

Thank You Garry!

You have exposed yourself Midaz and I have concluded that you are in the enemies camp.

There are many that have come to discourage and discredit and you are one that claimed to have a team, where is your team Midaz?

Those of us that are here are on UFOPolitics team. We are throwing our support to him because unlike those who have not tried to understand through replication, we have.

I respect the opinions of those who replicate.

Those who work with their replications to tune them, to understand the principles of electromagnetism.

To work on the original version to try to understand that if the results are not the same that possibly they have done something different.

Every change in wire size, wire length is going to produce different results because the resistance in the wire is different. This alone will give different results. Repulsion v/s attraction will give different results. There is not a clear winner in each of these categories because one will be lead to compromises. One has an advantage in one area and the other in another.

If your goal is to have two motorcycles to be able to finish the Isle of Mann race then by all means pursue that route and good luck in your endeavor.

My goal is different. I want to be able to drive across these United States without stopping at a service station for fuel or a wall socket for a charge!

I want to be able to accelerate in a reasonable amount of time to 70 mph and then cruise to recharge my batteries.

We are on the very tip of exploring this technology.

Our understanding is infantile, but progressing daily. Symmetrical motors, and gasoline and diesel motors are a thing of the past.

The future is in Asymmetry.

My issue with all that come from your point of view has nothing to do with race or nationality or culture. It is the same old battle between the wealthy and working classes of our nation. The wealthy look for a model that can elevate their wealth to a higher level at the expense of the workers that develop and build the technology that they use to expand their principalities.

True capitalism no longer exists in the Americas for the simple reason that the politicians on both sides of the isle are in the pockets of the large corporations. Let us not forget the legacy of the large bankers and power brokers of Edison's and Tesla's time.

How the banker JP Morgan used his wealth to force Edison into selling his business to him because Edison did not have the money to fight his bogus patent infringement case.

Let us not forget that when Tesla exposed the real motive behind developing Wardenclyffe Tower was to provide free electricity to the public that the response was to withdraw all funding from his project. If there is no money to be made the capitalist will not fund it.

The only way that this technology will be expanded and developed will be through open source testing.

Racing proves nothing when it comes to this technology if everyone in the race can put as many batteries as they want and as many cars as they want on the racetrack! Lots of money spent, and look at the price increase that we have seen in vehicles.
The huge price increases in oil and the taxes we must spend every year for a technology that could have freed up all of those funds to give a higher standard of living for every family in the world.

@ UFOPolitics

I must say that having been on this thread for over two years now and seeing the scathing attacks against your designs you have remained remarkably calm this time. Kudos, and good success on your future endeavors. I am still here developing the technology that you have so kindly shared with me, seeking to improve in my own way the findings that I have discovered on the way.

Cheers,

Garry

Many thanks my Friend Garry for this excellent post!

Kind Regards to You and to all truly and fair Members on this Thread!


Ufopolitics

[Ufopolitics]

Thanks for this great response Garry...Part 1

@MidazTouch

Midaz I cannot agree with your suppositions as to the superiority of symmetrical motors v/s asymmetrical. I have replicated many of these designs and found all of them to be superior to the symmetrical method of winding.

@Garry Childers:

Many thanks Garry for writing this post, and am sorry I couldn't get back to you before.

I took the freedom to 'spread out' a bit, your original post, in order to be read better as well as to answer by paragraphs. As by doing this plus adding my responses, it summed to more characters allowed per single post (12,000). therefore, this whole post-answers would be divided in Two Parts.

Yes, Symmetrical Motors are designed for the type of 'Consumption Society' we all live in...they are closed systems, continuous closed loops of windings, without even a single fraction of time dedicated to a 'brake or idle' stage, a disconnection from sourcing input. Reason why they burn crispy whenever they stall, lock up, etc.

If all you are looking for is performance at any cost then you are still incorrect in your assumptions.

The windings that I proposed to UFOPolitics are simpler but are still Asymmetrical and intended to be used in an asymmetrical motor.

I would never take the attitude that you have and disrespect that you have without at least testing the suppositions that you are posting.

Thanks Garry.

First, our goal here has not been to create a motor that outperforms symmetrical motors at this point.

It has been to prove that there is a glaring flaw in all of the symmetrical motor designs.

They consume too much energy to make them practical for transportation, and to create a model that is practical for transportation.

I watched with interest the grand prix event that you posted on the site expecting to see an event that would demonstrate the practical nature of electric motors. What I saw was a racing event that allowed two cars to be entered into the event because the batteries from one car would not last throughout the entire event. No one has ever said that symmetrical motors cannot perform powerfully! What has been said is they do so at an unacceptable cost!

Thanks Garry

The knowledge that I have gained from working on these motors has been invaluable.

The results at times disappointing, but, that is the nature of Research and Development.

UFO is to be commended for tolerating these insulting attacks from those who have tried to discredit his findings.

You may have missed my post about testing the all north wind that UFO developed.

Initially I was less than thrilled with this design. When I later posted that I tested it to destruction you may not have caught the admiration I now hold for this design.

I put over 200 volts through this motor! It survived! That is an admirable feat in itself.

Yes, I did eventually keep pushing it up until it failed, due not to the design of the motor but the failure of the epoxy I used to handle the awesome torque and rpms that the motor was turning .

There was no burning of the commutator or the brushes. The design provides amazing power and amazing performance and that test used only the motor side to drive it, the generator side was not connected to anything. I have always gotten more power from the asymmetrical design than the symmetrical motors when I connect both the generator and motor sides to the battery source. I have only tested with batteries, for the simple reason that most will not be plugged into a wall socket when they are on the road. Any test with a wall socket will not be the entire picture as the car or motorcycle or r/c toy will not be plugged into a wall socket when they are performing.

All my pleasure Garry, and many thanks again.

My recommendation for trying other windings was a pragmatic one. It takes time to wind them this way.

Testing an idea is necessary to give it validity. I will go through the trouble of winding these, but have decided to make several tests that will give them all an even footing.

1. As I see it the two commutators are what separate the symmetrical from the asymmetrical motors.

2. The stock symmetrical wind has an advantage in that it has two motor cycles per revolution where as the asymmetrical has one, unless the generator brushes are used to power the motor also.

The asymmetrical has the advantage in having more wire, and more coils.

I will give the point to the performance of the symmetrical motor in this only because of it's simplicity and cost basis per motor. I take all of that away from the symmetrical because it does not provide for a method of capturing the spent energy for use in the production of energy in recharging the battery.

We can accomplish the same result by powering both sides of the motor with a direct connection to the battery.

I have done so and can report that the torque and rpm gain is phenomenal.

The problem is that it drains the battery just as quickly as the symmetrical motor does. 3. The greatest benefit of the asymmetrical motor is the control it gives us over the methods that we can use to drive and capture the power being fed to it and how cool it runs compared to the symmetrical motor. There is a reason that these (symmetrical) motors are rated at a certain amount of voltage and amps.

There is only so much amperage a wire can take before it melts when used in a symmetrical method.

This is where your true lack of understanding is exposed and most other detractors are also.

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[Lightworker1]

Hello Dana,


I am addressing this post to you for two reasons:

One, because your name was mentioned by me and Midaz during our arguments, and I wanted to clear any possible misinterpreted comments.

I mentioned your name because it was your motor the one sent to Imperial Electric for testing, but I know it was because Midaz ask you to do so, the same way He asked me as well when the tests failed, and your motor was damaged, that was the only reason Dana.

Now in this Second part, I would like to ask you to keep "driving" this Thread, take full charge of it, as I will not be able to do so, for the next weeks that could add months, I do not know, and can not "run an estimated time" here.

I have Two Imperials seating, that I have not been able to even touch because of how complicated I am at this point.


If you can not do it for any reason, no problems, no sweat, let me know...


Kind Regards Friend and many thanks in advance!!


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