My Asymmetric Electrodynamic Machines

[prochiro]

Ian
You silly boy. Everyone knows a Nissan Pulsar requires a large hemi with two gas tanks and over-sized tires. Ha - Ha - Ha!
Dana

[codeboundfuture]

seven pole

Hello corry,

Welcome aboard.

Here is a schematic for winding a 7 pole that you could use, be sure whatever wire gauge you use that that enough will fit in the rotor to have more resistance than the original winding, something above 1 ohm per coil pair. The tests so far here I think to all be between 1 and 3 ohms.

matt

[Ufopolitics]

Imperial Motor

G'Day UFO
I hope your moving has not upset you tooo much and that you settle in OK

I intending to be away for about 2 months holiday with my wife Jill but on the first day while I was climbing from My vehicle I slipped and did an injury to my self its not too serious though just bit too much pain.

Meanwhile I have been trying to find where I can purchase Imperial Motor 56 Frame in Australia but not much luck
I have had a reply from
James Manoff
Technical Sales / Customer Service
Imperial Electric, Scott Motors, Euclid Universal
1503 Exeter Rd
Akron, OH 44306
I am hoping to purchase 2 complete motors with bare armatures and extra commutators, brushboards including brushes and springs

He has said it will take 3 to 4 weeks from order to despatch
Part Number Description Price (ea) Lead Time

P56MD003 4.0 HP, 2500 RPM, 36VDC $494.28 3-4 weeks
0567028C Slotted Comm, 56 Bar $56.21 1 week
0515032 Brush Board Assy $78.50 1 week

I am in the negotiation stage with him and I also may be able to purchase some from India so I have not as yet settles on where I will purchase.

Please UFO what size wire will we be using to re wind this machine
I have already purchased wire some time ago to replicate John bedini's ferris wheel only 4 foot diam not 14 foot diam You know the one that will not fit into a VW beetle mentioned some time ago. I never got round to finish replicating it And I do not know of any one else that has finished replicating it either as he only partially showed how to build it and left everyone to figure the rest themselves.

The wire I have is
3 large spools 1.5mmDiam AWG#14/15 in total 71.31kg 13,905 feet and
1 spool 1.0 mm AWG#18 22.67kg 10,200 feet

If I am able to use this wire it would be great
Now I am getting into some big toys
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Please UFO would these motors power a Nissan Pulsar car 2.0 litre motor
Kindest regards
[IMG][/IMG]

Hello Ian,

Hope you are better by now of that injury... ...so stay away from climbing...

Related to price$ try negotiating some more...you are getting it without the wires on, that is a good release of work and materials from them...

Try to come down to around 300 and some (350.00) USD for each motor...as also with the loose parts.

Related to wire...that motor comes with 16 gauge dual strands per turns...I believe if yours is a 15 awg it will also work...I have not been able to start winding yet...still working on my shop. I plan to use 16 awg to wind it, this motors have a lot of room, that is why I like them.


This Motor will run a small utility light weight vehicle...as it also depends on the differential gearing you will be using. You have to realize its shaft end coupling side is not that wide...


Regards


Ufopolitics

[Ufopolitics]

Please read thread.

Hello everyone, I have some motors to seven poles. How should I rewind?

Thanks!

Hello Corry and welcome,

Please read thread...We already have discussed and posted a seven pole here.

Thanks Codeboundfuture for posting Diagram to Corry...but He should go back to re-read the whole development of this Motors at smaller poles before he jumps into the last part of Thread...Otherwise we will be back and forth here.


Regards


Ufopolitics

[Ufopolitics]

Hello and Welcome

I'm new here.
Have read all the posts now, Really like this!
Haven't heard anyone suggest down gearing to help keep motor speed and reduce rpm for generator.
thanks for all the great info!
looking foreword to winding soon.

Hello Lostbraincell,

First thing we should get at...is to obtain a very strong and fast Machine, that WILL exceed BY FAR the required spec's from Generator...
Then, we decide what method to downgrade speed...or Power.
I prefer the electronic control methods, since they are more accurate as also they could maintain a regulating circuit to keep speed "on load demand" by 'reading' both machines ...

Look at a Gas Engine Generator...there is absolutely no downgrade gearing there...just the idler and auto regulator level sticks.

Now if we are talking about a transport vehicle...then yes...we have to use differentials and transmissions to regulate speed-power.


Regards


Ufopolitics

[hanwempe]

question

I'am not an engineer or an electrician but I thinj your idea's are interresting all though I have a hard time following everything. I just have a question I hope somebody could answer. If I made the rotor round but give the stator a spiral form with the same pole facing in. X would be the stator point closes to rotor, Y would be almost the same point but the furthest away from the rotor. If I would give the rotor a charge to create the same pole as the inward pole of the stator it would go to the point of less resistance, so it would go from x to y almost 360 degrees Iwould only have to stop the current just to go over point x. With more then one coil it would go over point x anyway but why give things more resistance when it is not necesarry. This way the current is going allways in the same direction and allways working to push to motor . I hope this is not a completely stupid idea and that somebody could tell me if this would work or not.
Best regards,
Han

[prochiro]

Thread index problem

Is anyone else having a thread page index problem where you select page 76 and always get page 58?
Dana

[wonza]

Is anyone else having a thread page index problem where you select page 76 and always get page 58?
Dana

I've had it several times. Clearing my browser cache sorted it for me. ( think it's because the redirect code gets cached)

[prochiro]

I'am not an engineer or an electrician but I thinj your idea's are interresting all though I have a hard time following everything. I just have a question I hope somebody could answer. If I made the rotor round but give the stator a spiral form with the same pole facing in. X would be the stator point closes to rotor, Y would be almost the same point but the furthest away from the rotor. If I would give the rotor a charge to create the same pole as the inward pole of the stator it would go to the point of less resistance, so it would go from x to y almost 360 degrees Iwould only have to stop the current just to go over point x. With more then one coil it would go over point x anyway but why give things more resistance when it is not necesarry. This way the current is going allways in the same direction and allways working to push to motor . I hope this is not a completely stupid idea and that somebody could tell me if this would work or not.
Best regards,
Han

Hello Han and welcome
I am not absolutely sure why you want to run the motor with push only. most motors including ours both push and pull. That is where the greatest power is at. Your idea also requires a methiod of switching coils power on and off and then you might as well switch both coils in opposition and then you will have a regular motor but vary weak as per stator coil direction. Your going in circles. Maybe you should go back over this thread and study the three pole setup for replication which will teach you what you need to know.
Dana

[Anoop]

Radiant energy

Hi UFO!
I realise you've been busy, but have a quick question first, before I come back later with other questions :

In your reply to me you stated:

"Ok, we could get Radiant out as much as we want...We still have to develop further the practical use of Radiant...to activate, run our equipments...it is a different current, and it must be "filtered/processed" in order to be usable...so far we are doing it for purposes of scientific study, as to realize it DOES EXIST...
But the 'ready to go' power output that we can be able to run our equipments/appliances...still comes from Hot regular generated Induction, my dear friend."

OK, fair enough, we are still exploring Radiant Energy. So these assymetrical machines that we are now building are still to use and produce HOT energy, but will do so in a far more efficient way than we have been led to believe is possible. The Radiant Energy part is somewhat seperate (at least for now), and is NOT what we are focusing on for the time being. Is that correct?

Thanks!

Anoop

[JohnStone]

Hi bobfrench, codebound & others !
I am glad you can benefit form my posts. Your feedback is important for me in order to know if I am on the right level.

Here you get some answers:

1. Caps: Caramic caps are readily available up to 100nF .... 1µF. Electrolitics start usually at .1 µF. Somewhere inbetween we get foil caps. At my generator C1, C3 is of ceramic type, C5 is a foil type (usual technology make is MKT), C6 is an electrolitic one. You can see the types were adjusted to the coresponding frequency they generate along the current source.

2. PNP Q1 (blockA): Any PNP - not being a power type - should do well. Max. current is of no importance here because it will switch some mA only.

3. Please note that I intentionally suggested two different ICs for generator section and pulse section (U1 / U2) (block C/D). It is possible to mix the circuit in one quad generator but that will make ypur life not easyer at all bacause of additional implications.

4. Driver stage NPN / PNP (BlockE) This is just an example how you can do it. Meanwhile I prefer a NE555 there because you get an output with known outout power and speed and debugging is quite easy. If using transistors (everybody uses others) power and speed is not predictable. NE555 has known parameters.

5. You know that we intend to build serious power PWMs. At that time when I proposed the circuit we talked of just pulsing a coil. In this case it was viable to build the generator and the PWM driver as one unit.
But now we prepare our circuit for additional tasks and I strongly recommend to do it separately. Along that I want you all newbies in electronic art to succeed as well!!!!

Imagine the starter motor in your car. It takes more than 100A in order to give your motor some revolutions. Do you imagine that this current flows through your ignition switch? Not at all - it would evaporate. The manufacturers use a serious relay being attached to the starter motor in order to get as much battery power as possible to the armature of the starter.
With this pic in mind you should build your gen / driver blocks.
A: Build any generator you prefer.
B: Add a NE555 at output (even if the generator itself is a NE555) in order to securely decouple all spurious noise from your generator - you do not want it to make uncoordinated jumps with power stage attatched - killing FETs. (This is similar to your ignition switch mentioned above). Now you have a rugged circuit, modular, easy to repair and debug.
C: Build driver stages - modular - conforming my recent suggestion. (This is similar to the heavy duty relay attatched to your starter motor).

The measures suggested above decouples all three functional units. The NE555 attached to FETs performs with known steep edges at output independently from your signal quality at input. These building instructions are the simplest working ones I can imagine. If you have additional questions please ask. And no I have no circuit schematic containing the mix suggested above.

My suggstion is to move for further generator / driver discussions to UFO's first thread in order to keep this one dedicated to motors. Please PM if you start posting there
rgds JohnS

7: Regarding 555: The standard type is NMOS technology (NE555) and can source / sink at output 200mA.
The CMOS types TLC555, LMC555, TS555 are faster but can source 8...10mA only and sink 50 ...100mA depending on manufacturer. Advantage: fast!
So you should own both types in order to test out what model performs best in a certain application.

8: Regarding µs pulse. Interesting! TB seems to have gained additional knowledge since earlier times. But please note that it is no problem to build a generator with µs output. Any digital circuit can do it easily. The vintage standard CMOS series 4000 performs up to 3 MHz. There is a very different story to convert this digital pulse in 10 Amp pulses.
@bobfrench: Correct: a NE555 (NMOS) will not perform pulses of 1µs. TS555 yes (3...6 MHz depending on power voltage) But please stand by and build our current circuits. You will have lots of fun and learning. We possibly will change the technology if we go further.
If a 555 performs at its max frequency it will not be possible to additionally still change the duty cycle to less than 50%. Any edge of a signal is in fact a ramp being more or less steep. At absolute max. frequency the positive ramp will join the negative ramp (high and low as well) so you get a triangle signal only.
I have no easy instruction now but fortunately we do not need it at current experiements. Ufo will tell you if and when we are going to enter this advanced matter.

[prochiro]

Anoop Hi
I read your post, what is your question? I will try to define what UFO said, maybe that will help. Our machines thru scaling up size are capable of much radiant energy. Now once we have it we must decide what to do with it. This energy must be altered befor it is usable in current equiptment. You could charge batteries then run your house with that. Or you could simply push a generator to power your smaller things of need. UFO is working on a system that will involve both of these and more. Generally two banks of batteries being switched with everything controlled automatically and no real input power into the system from outside. We now know that this is possible and in general know how to do it, but we are still researching the best method to do it and as we are not as a large government funded organization, this takes a little time. We have UFO and John Stone who are the best and most generous people any group could have. Maybe I have helped you, maybe not, I tried. We are all looking foreword to your continued input and ideas.
Dana

[JohnStone]

.....
I have had a reply from
James Manoff
Technical Sales / Customer Service
Imperial Electric, Scott Motors, Euclid Universal
1503 Exeter Rd
Akron, OH 44306
I am hoping to purchase 2 complete motors with bare armatures and extra commutators, brushboards including brushes and springs

He has said it will take 3 to 4 weeks from order to despatch
Part Number Description Price (ea) Lead Time

P56MD003 4.0 HP, 2500 RPM, 36VDC $494.28 3-4 weeks
0567028C Slotted Comm, 56 Bar $56.21 1 week
0515032 Brush Board Assy $78.50 1 week
..

Wow Thanks. I emailed Imperial some weeks ago and did not get any answer.
Did James mention shipping costs?
Do you have the email address from James?

[prochiro]

I've had it several times. Clearing my browser cache sorted it for me. ( think it's because the redirect code gets cached)

Thanks wonza, that worked. Page 76 has so much stuff on it that I missed some I see.
Dana

[prochiro]

Motors

Wow Thanks. I emailed Imperial some weeks ago and did not get any answer.
Did James mention shipping costs?
Do you have the email address from James?

Maybe you guys could get a better price together with different shipping addresses.
Dana